Milton Bradley

[hardcorecubfan]

I did like the catch yesterday, many would not have attempted that catch or hesitated because of his history of injury.

 

I see him turning the corner, but never being a superstar he will give us at least one outstanding month that we will thank him for.

[UMFan83]

No, Milton's not good either. Jones' career wasn't a bad one before he came here.

 

Bradley is a sinking ship. Have fun staying with him down to the bottom of the ocean. He's the most annoying of unproductive ballplayers, the ones who get all the excuses and the "Oh he can produce but only when the stars are in perfect alignment, or during a solar eclipse, or only when facing a series of crappy lefthanded Pirates pitching when everyone fattens up their numbers.

 

Reminds me when everyone was fooled by David Dellucci's 29 HR season in Texas.

 

You act like last year was a fluke year, yet he's had 3 seasons of over .900 OPS, and had a 1.004 OPS with the Padres of all teams in the 42 games he played there.

 

Come on. You can't just say "he's had 3 season with an OPS over .900." In 2007 he had only 144 at-bats. In 2003 he had 377. Last year he had 414. That's not even 2 full seasons worth of at-bats, let alone 3.

 

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

 

Come on we're talking about Milton Vradley here. 300 ABs is a season for him. You can rip on some of his sub-.800 OPS seasons (which happened quite awhile ago) with the same arguments. He has put up better numbers than .823 more recently in his career. I don't think anyone thought we were getting Albert Pujols here or even Aramis Ramirez. Just a switch hitting bat who can hit .850+ from both sides of the plate.

[Keener98]

You got to love Milton saying what us Cubs fans have been saying for years.

 

 

"It's not like we're going out there facing 'Joe Blow,'" Bradley said. "Their pitching coach is one of the best pitching coaches. He can take a turd and polish it into something, it seems like."

[soapy]

hahahaha...nice

[TruffleShuffle]

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

 

his numbers are weighed down by bad years early in his career. texas is a great hitter's park but oakland/l.a./s.d. play in the best pitcher's parks in the game. so he's unlikely to have an ops near 1.000 like he did with texas, but he's also unlikely to be at .823 like his career numbers. something around .850 to .900 is more likely, which might not make him an elite hitter, but certainly can be considered a middle of the lineup force, unless you don't consider a guy like mark teixeira to be a legitimate middle of the lineup hitter.

[sneakypower]

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

it's .890 (.292/.390/.500) over the last five seasons.

 

his age 22 suckitude means diddly poo; why you choose to continually embarrass yourself by citing career numbers is puzzling.

[badnews]

Every time you throw someone who is not as good as advertised under the bus, it is deemed irrational. I think he's going to put up a Jeromy Burnitz-like OPS for the year and somehow this will be spun into some kind of success when people did nothing but bitch about Jeromy Burnitz.

 

I'm not saying Jeromy Burnitz is underappreciated. What I am saying is I don't kiss ass on these .750-.790 OPSish right fielders.

 

As an aside saying "except that it's not" is a pithy response that doesn't support your opinion at all.

 

He strikes out far too much for him to have any kind of high batting average. He has a strict policy against multi-hit games.

 

Like, how much better is Milton Bradley than someone like Michael Cuddyer? Has anyone ever given a crap about Cuddyer?

[sneakypower]

that's a much better OPS than the last 5 years of Abreu, Ibanez btw

[badnews]

Why people cite Texas numbers is beyond me. Why don't you cite his Texas BABIP. What is it, like .400?

 

Yeah Milton Bradley is a significantly better player than Abreu or something. These perpetually injured run-of-the-mill OPS right fielders sure are studly.

[jersey cubs fan]

As an aside saying "except that it's not" is a pithy response that doesn't support your opinion at all.

 

He strikes out far too much for him to have any kind of high batting average. He has a strict policy against multi-hit games.

 

Really, you're going to complain about pithy responses and follow it up with that nonsense?

[sneakypower]

the complaints were about his hitting, not health; try and keep up

 

when he plays, he's not a run-of-the-mill RF. that's a ludicrous stance.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not saying Jeromy Burnitz is underappreciated. What I am saying is I don't kiss ass on these .750-.790 OPSish right fielders.

 

and you're saying that milton bradley, who has an .890 OPS the last 5 years, is one of those guys? the last time he had an OPS that low was 2004, and he was at the high end of that range, and was playing half his games in a pitcher's park (his road OPS was .823).

 

He strikes out far too much for him to have any kind of high batting average. He has a strict policy against multi-hit games.

 

wrong. his K-rate is about the same as mark teixeira or bobby abreu, do you think those guys were decent hitters for average? a guy like jack cust or adam dunn strikes out too much to hit for a high average; a guy who strikes out in 18% of his ABs can easily hit .275-.300.

 

Like, how much better is Milton Bradley than someone like Michael Cuddyer? Has anyone ever given a crap about Cuddyer?

 

well, he gets on base a lot more than cuddyer, and his career EqA is 10 points higher than cuddyer, and that's just his career numbers - if you use his last 5 years, which are a lot more representative of how he's likely to perform the next 2-3 years than his career numbers, it's probably more like 25 points. so i'd say he's quite a bit better. and he gets hurt more.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why people cite Texas numbers is beyond me. Why don't you cite his Texas BABIP. What is it, like .400?

 

Yeah Milton Bradley is a significantly better player than Abreu or something. These perpetually injured run-of-the-mill OPS right fielders sure are studly.

 

yes let's throw out the two seasons he actually played in a good hitter's park and instead focus on all those years he played in extreme pitcher's parks without acknowledging that fact.

[TruffleShuffle]

ok check this out, it's pretty cool:

 

2003 - Cleveland Indians (pitcher's park)

home: 296/399/455/854

away: 346/443/548/991

 

2004 - Los Angeles Dodgers (pitcher's park)

home: 249/344/396/739

away: 282/376/447/823

 

2005 - Los Angeles Dodgers (pitcher's park)

home: 264/328/471/799

away: 309/367/494/861

 

2006 - Oakland A's (pitcher's park)

home: 243/344/396/740

away: 308/395/495/890

 

2007 - Oakland/San Diego (pitcher's parks)

home: 306/371/559/930

away: 306/433/531/964

 

2008 - Texas Rangers (hitter's park)

home: 358/466/679/1.145

away: 290/410/462/872

 

 

so, those road OPS's from 2003-08:

991

823

861

890

964

872

 

 

fairly consistent from year to year, right? So taking his home park out of the equation, he's probably a .850-.900 OPS guy, judging from those stats? Or are we going to keep up the terrible Jeromy Burnitz comparison?

[SpongeWorthy]

ok check this out, it's pretty cool:

 

2003 - Cleveland Indians (pitcher's park)

home: 296/399/455/854

away: 346/443/548/991

 

2004 - Los Angeles Dodgers (pitcher's park)

home: 249/344/396/739

away: 282/376/447/823

 

2005 - Los Angeles Dodgers (pitcher's park)

home: 264/328/471/799

away: 309/367/494/861

 

2006 - Oakland A's (pitcher's park)

home: 243/344/396/740

away: 308/395/495/890

 

2007 - Oakland/San Diego (pitcher's parks)

home: 306/371/559/930

away: 306/433/531/964

 

2008 - Texas Rangers (hitter's park)

home: 358/466/679/1.145

away: 290/410/462/872

 

 

so, those road OPS's from 2003-08:

991

823

861

890

964

872

 

 

fairly consistent from year to year, right? So taking his home park out of the equation, he's probably a .850-.900 OPS guy, judging from those stats? Or are we going to keep up the terrible Jeromy Burnitz comparison?

 

This would be more reassuring if he were OPSing .750 or whatever and we'd be wringing our hands about why he wasn't closer to .900. It's less reassuring when we're talking about someone who has been one of the very worst players (relative to his contract, position, and place in the lineup especially) in the game so far this year.

[17 Seconds]

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

it's .890 (.292/.390/.500) over the last five seasons.

 

his age 22 suckitude means diddly poo; why you choose to continually embarrass yourself by citing career numbers is puzzling.

 

Uhh, maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's played to those career numbers for many of the last several years. As in 2004, 2005, 2006, and part of 2007.

 

Saying he's been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons is pretty ridiculous. He's been a 1.000 OPS hitter for the last 600 at-bats (before this season) spread out over the least 2 season and then played to his career totals the previous 3 seasons. for the better part of the last 5 years, he's played to his career totals.

[17 Seconds]

No, Milton's not good either. Jones' career wasn't a bad one before he came here.

 

Bradley is a sinking ship. Have fun staying with him down to the bottom of the ocean. He's the most annoying of unproductive ballplayers, the ones who get all the excuses and the "Oh he can produce but only when the stars are in perfect alignment, or during a solar eclipse, or only when facing a series of crappy lefthanded Pirates pitching when everyone fattens up their numbers.

 

Reminds me when everyone was fooled by David Dellucci's 29 HR season in Texas.

 

You act like last year was a fluke year, yet he's had 3 seasons of over .900 OPS, and had a 1.004 OPS with the Padres of all teams in the 42 games he played there.

 

Come on. You can't just say "he's had 3 season with an OPS over .900." In 2007 he had only 144 at-bats. In 2003 he had 377. Last year he had 414. That's not even 2 full seasons worth of at-bats, let alone 3.

 

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

 

Just a switch hitting bat who can hit .850+ from both sides of the plate.

 

Milton Bradley career OPS as a lefty- .798

[sneakypower]

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

it's .890 (.292/.390/.500) over the last five seasons.

 

his age 22 suckitude means diddly poo; why you choose to continually embarrass yourself by citing career numbers is puzzling.

 

Uhh, maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's played to those career numbers for many of the last several years. As in 2004, 2005, 2006, and part of 2007.

 

Saying he's been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons is pretty ridiculous. He's been a 1.000 OPS hitter for the last 600 at-bats (before this season) spread out over the least 2 season and then played to his career totals the previous 3 seasons. for the better part of the last 5 years, he's played to his career totals.

i just keep reading the phrase played to his career totals, whatever the hell that even means

 

Saying he's been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons is pretty ridiculous.

wait

 

facts are ridiculous?

[17 Seconds]

Bottom line is he has a career .823 OPS in like 3,000 at-bats. I just don't understand why everybody was so sure he'd be awesome. I though he'd be pretty good, but not some middle of the lineup force.

it's .890 (.292/.390/.500) over the last five seasons.

 

his age 22 suckitude means diddly poo; why you choose to continually embarrass yourself by citing career numbers is puzzling.

 

Uhh, maybe it has something to do with the fact that he's played to those career numbers for many of the last several years. As in 2004, 2005, 2006, and part of 2007.

 

Saying he's been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons is pretty ridiculous. He's been a 1.000 OPS hitter for the last 600 at-bats (before this season) spread out over the least 2 season and then played to his career totals the previous 3 seasons. for the better part of the last 5 years, he's played to his career totals.

i just keep reading the phrase played to his career totals, whatever the hell that even means

 

Saying he's been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons is pretty ridiculous.

wait

 

facts are ridiculous?

 

It's obnoxious and misleading, and you know it. He hasn't been an .890 OPS guy for the last 5 seasons. He had a monster month or 2 in San Diego and then a monster 420 at-bats in texas. The previous 3 years he sucked.

[sneakypower]

oh, well i guess if we somehow cherry pick all the at bats in his career in which he didn't register a hit, he has been kinda lousy

[17 Seconds]

oh, well i guess if we somehow cherry pick all the at bats in his career in which he didn't register a hit, he has been kinda lousy

 

His career numbers are mediocre (at best, for a corner outfielder) and the arguments for him being a great hitter all revolve around a few different chunks of at-bats over the course of his career, and I'm the one cherry picking stats?

 

Righhttttttttt

 

When you want to grow up and have a reasonable discussion using grown up logic, let me know.

[manbearcub]

yeah, grow up

[17 Seconds]

yeah, grow up

 

Okay you're right. Bradley was an .890 OPS guy from 04-08.

 

Except in 2004

 

and 2005

 

and 2006

 

and he only played like 2 months n 07

 

 

 

but dude was .890 opsing it like crazy

[Sosa21MVP]

Same old dexter. :hello:

[17 Seconds]

Same old dexter. :hello:

 

either show me where what i said is wrong or just stop posting to me. that garbage is really old.