Cub prospects in the news

[Guest]

CJ was 38 on hopes he could still start right?

 

yeah

[Guest]

I did a quick and dirty top 10 Cubs prospect list in my head just now and neither Almora not Edwards made the top 10. Those two shouldn't be top 100 prospects at all.

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[sneakypower]

I did a quick and dirty top 10 Cubs prospect list in my head just now and neither Almora not Edwards made the top 10. Those two shouldn't be top 100 prospects at all.

i fully agree with the second statement, but i'm interested in seeing your list without Edwards

 

i see it like:

Schwarber

McKinney

Torres

Happ

Eloy?

 

and then that's about the lowest possible spot for me, but he's still probably top-5 unless there's reason to believe he won't ever rediscover command or anything like that

[Cubswin11]

I did a quick and dirty top 10 Cubs prospect list in my head just now and neither Almora not Edwards made the top 10. Those two shouldn't be top 100 prospects at all.

i fully agree with the second statement, but i'm interested in seeing your list without Edwards

 

i see it like:

Schwarber

McKinney

Torres

Happ

Eloy?

 

and then that's about the lowest possible spot for me, but he's still probably top-5 unless there's reason to believe he won't ever rediscover command or anything like that

Schwarber

Torres

McKinney

Happ

Eloy

Dewees

Zagunis

Cease

 

I got to 8 for sure in front of them for me in going split second off the top of my head

[sneakypower]

Edwards is probably an MLB-ready RP right now with a starter's arsenal and can conceivably do the Carlos Martinez route of easing into an eventual rotation role, which seems *far* more valuable than whatever the Donnie Dewees dreams are...Dewees was the BA #67 prospect in his own awful draft class; where's the excitement?

[Guest]

is raisin's submariner gonna be up for the home stretch this year?

[Guest]

I did a quick and dirty top 10 Cubs prospect list in my head just now and neither Almora not Edwards made the top 10. Those two shouldn't be top 100 prospects at all.

i fully agree with the second statement, but i'm interested in seeing your list without Edwards

 

i see it like:

Schwarber

McKinney

Torres

Happ

Eloy?

 

and then that's about the lowest possible spot for me, but he's still probably top-5 unless there's reason to believe he won't ever rediscover command or anything like that

 

The names I came up with. Outside of the first four, the order isn't set though I did try to sequence them.

 

Schwarber

Torres

McKinney

Jimenez

Happ

Dewees

Zagunis

Underwood

Cease

Steele

Sands

Contreras

 

I can see the argument for rating Edwards ahead of the last five guys since he's knocking on the big league door and is way more polished. I'm definitely docking him for already being locked in as a reliever compared to the other four arms.

[Guest]

Edwards is probably an MLB-ready RP right now with a starter's arsenal and can conceivably do the Carlos Martinez route of easing into an eventual rotation role, which seems *far* more valuable than whatever the Donnie Dewees dreams are...Dewees was the BA #67 prospect in his own awful draft class; where's the excitement?

 

I think the SP dreams are over for Edwards.

 

BA was the low man for Dewees. MLB (Callis) and Fangraphs (Kiley) had him top 35.

[sneakypower]

The names I came up with. Outside of the first four, the order isn't set though I did try to sequence them.

 

Schwarber

Torres

McKinney

Jimenez

Happ

Dewees

Zagunis

Underwood

Cease

Steele

Sands

Contreras

 

I can see the argument for rating Edwards ahead of the last five guys since he's so much closer and more polished. I'm definitely docking him for already being locked in as a reliever compared to the other four arms.

so he'll be Justin Grimm / Cody Allen then

 

if we could get more shutdown relievers like that for live-armed teenagers in SS, i'd do that until i ran out of teenagers, which is an admittedly simple illustration for how relatively little i value upside prayers like Steele & Sands...weren't we kinda upset about giving up on Jeferson Mejia's potential?

[davell]

I get that CJ isn't a top 100 guy, but I'm not ready to write him off as a starter yet. It seems that the FO has done this to curb his overall innings for the year and give the talent a shot at coming together enough to help the major league team in a year of contention.

 

If he began the year starting, he'd run up on his likely innings limit at any point now. My guess is he'll be around 80 for the year.

 

It's not likely given that career path that he'll be starting next year, even if they give him 110-120 next year. But it's possible he does his 80 this year, gets 80 next year starting for Iowa, then moves to the ML pen the rest of the year.(winding up in the range of 110-120). Then is looked at as a potential SP for 2017.

 

It's just been one injury for him, again, my honest guess is he DOES wind up as a very good pen arm. But I think that path I just wrote is his ticket to starting and there's a non zero chance of it happening.

[SouthSideRyan]

Isn't Justin Grimm/Cody Allen a pretty optimistic projection for a guy walking 6 per 9 in AA/AAA?

[davell]

I mean, I'm far from upset if that's what he becomes. But he never had serious control issues until last year, which could at least conceivably be explained by getting a late start to the season.(I admit this is rather weak and glass full thinking) At any rate, it was 21 in 48 AA innings....Bad, but not awful, as this year has been.

 

But I definitely think the fact he's coming out of the pen and airing it out a bit more than he would as a starter, has contributed to the excess of walks this season. (Legitimate reason in my mind but don't know if velo is up from last year)

 

Hell, just take away his April, where he walked 10 in 9.2 innings. He was better in May, walking 10 in 15 innings and from June 1 on, he's walked 7 in 14.2 innings.....So he's trending positively at least.

[Little Slide Rooter]

is raisin's submariner gonna be up for the home stretch this year?

 

Doesn't it depend on how good he looks over the next 2.5 months and how many available 40 man spots there are at that time.

[davell]

Doesn't that question imply that he'd need to look good in order to warrant a callup? Would the FO bring up someone just for the [expletive] of it?

 

And there is not/will not be a 40 man issue as long as we've got guys like Teagarden, Herrera, Baxter, Jokisch, Richard, Roach, Schlitter, Edwin, and even a few others on it.

[craig]

Edwards hasn't shown any control since leaving A-ball. If he gets some, he could become a good pitcher in one role or another. But I can't put him in my top 10, or expect anybody else to put them in their overall top-100, when he has no control.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I did a quick and dirty top 10 Cubs prospect list in my head just now and neither Almora not Edwards made the top 10. Those two shouldn't be top 100 prospects at all.

 

Not sure I can get behind unproven commodities such as Steele, Cease, Sands, and Deewees so easily leapfrogging last year's wonderkinds Almora, Tseng, and Torrez, all of whom are having some growing pains at levels that they are quite young for. But that's just me.

[Guest]

is raisin's submariner gonna be up for the home stretch this year?

 

I don't think so.

[Guest]

is raisin's submariner gonna be up for the home stretch this year?

 

I don't think so.

 

i'd seen some speculation so i thought i'd ask

 

along the lines of he is what he is and doesn't really need developing

[Guest]

is raisin's submariner gonna be up for the home stretch this year?

 

I don't think so.

 

i'd seen some speculation so i thought i'd ask

 

along the lines of he is what he is and doesn't really need developing

 

I mean, I can see it since he's already at Myrtle Beach and (as you said) he doesn't need much development. But I don't think they push it him because the bullpen is already pretty full, Soriano is on his way and Berg doesn't have dynamic stuff (like, say, Edwards or Black) to truly impact the pen.

[imb]

Schwarber having a really weird time in AAA. Ks way up, BBs way down, still [expletive] mashing like a dong monster. He owns.

[sneakypower]

Isn't Justin Grimm/Cody Allen a pretty optimistic projection for a guy walking 6 per 9 in AA/AAA?

hitters watch his pitches because they know they can't hit him (.141! AVG), is the theory i'll go with

[Guest]

BA Prospect Hot Sheet:

 

6. Jen-Ho Tseng, rhp, Cubs

 

Team: high Class A Myrtle Beach (Carolina)

Age: 20

Why He’s Here: 0-1, 0.69, 2 GS, 13 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 HR, 3 BB, 11 SO, 1 HBP

 

The Scoop: Though the Taiwanese righty is just 2-6, 3.91 through 14 starts this season, he has turned in his two finest efforts his last two times out. One of Tseng’s performances includes a tough-luck loss to Winston-Salem in which he allowed only one run on two hits in eight innings, but perhaps the best news is that his strikeout rate (7.6 batters per nine innings) is trending up in July.

 

16. Kyle Schwarber, c, Cubs

 

Team: Triple-A Iowa (Pacific Coast)

Age: 22

Why He’s Here: .375/.483/.750 (9-for-24), 4 R, 3 2B, 2 HR, 6 RBIs, 5 BB, 10 SO

 

The Scoop: The Cubs have seen fit to have Schwarber catch nearly every game since his demotion to Iowa. The organization recognizes how valuable his stick would be behind the plate, even if he catches just twice a week.

 

Also:

 

14. Marco Hernandez, ss, Red Sox

 

Team: Double-A Portland (Eastern)

Age: 22

Why He’s Here: .469/.485/.688 (15-for-32), 7 R, 2 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 4 RBIs, 0 BB, 1 SO

 

The Scoop: Yes, this is the same Hernandez who went unpicked in the Rule 5 draft twice before being traded by the Cubs to the Red Sox in the Felix Doubront deal last July. But Hernandez is another example of how the 40-man roster protection rules force teams to make decisions way too soon on young Latin players (largely because most of the top international prospects sign at age 16). In his first taste of Double-A, he has impressed scouts with solid defense at shortstop, and he’s shown vastly improved power, turning what used to be a singles-oriented approach into more and more doubles.

[Guest]

BA's midseason top 10:

 

1. Schwarber

2. Torres

3. McKinney

4. Underwood

5. Zagunis

6. Edwards

7. Cease

8. Almora

9. Contreras

10. Johnson

Rising: Ryan Williams

Falling: Jake Stinnett

Hurting: Rob Zastryzny and James Norwood

[sneakypower]

is Happ ineligible? and no Eloy is a slight surprise

 

like, i'd sooner trade Almora with little hesitation