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[imb]

im pretty sure a 26-year-old vogelbach would scorch the earth in the [expletive] cuban league for christ's sake.

[Sammy Sofa]

With his farts, maybe.

 

GET IT, BECAUSE HE'S ENORMOUS AND HIS FARTS ARE POWERFUL.

[Elrhino]

All this talk of Vogelbach never being able to play 1B makes me all the more appreciative of Pablo Sandoval's ability to play 3B with the same exact body.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

All this talk of Vogelbach never being able to play 1B makes me all the more appreciative of Pablo Sandoval's ability to play 3B with the same exact body.

 

Not even comparable. Sandoval is 50% panda.

[Sammy Sofa]

All this talk of Vogelbach never being able to play 1B makes me all the more appreciative of Pablo Sandoval's ability to play 3B with the same exact body.

 

Well, sure, he "plays" 3B. He basically had one good year there and the rest have been maybe tolerable or worse. He's a lesser sufferer of the Dunn Effect.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Cubs-related Q&A with Jim Callis: http://viewfromthebleachers.com/blog/2013/08/19/interview-with-jim-callis-of-baseball-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheViewFromTheBleachers+%28View+From+The+Bleachers%29

 

Really interesting that he likes Baez's SS defense to wind up better than Castro's.

And his comment that Bryant, Baez, Soler and Vogelbach have 40 HR power. Ie Rizzo and Castro better get their crap together.

 

You keep insinuating that Rizzo is in danger of losing his job to Vogelbach, but I don't think that dog will hunt. Rizzo, imo, is only going to get better (he's still quite young, remember). I think he'd have to get worse before we got into "he batter watch out for Vogelbach" territory.

I for one enjoy the irony of the guy who keeps harping on new toy syndrome (to the point of bumping his own threads to pat himself on the back) constantly ready to replace the productive young major leaguers at a moment's notice.

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

[XZero771679666304]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

Edited August 19, 2013 by XZero77

[Sammy Sofa]

He never subscribed to the Rizzo Fan Club.

[abuck1220]

yeah watch your back, guy the front office loves so much they traded for twice, there's a blind 25 year old hitting .180 in AAA about to take your job.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hahahahaha!

[Guest]

yeah watch your back, guy the front office loves so much they traded for twice, there's a blind 25 year old hitting .180 in AAA about to take your job.

lol

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

You couldn't be more wrong. I think Rizzo has a good chance of improving but if he does not improve (and I think he will) THEN someone like Olt or Bryant or Vogelbach could challenge him for the 1B job IF they continue to develop. While Bryant is probably destined to CO, I think there is a good chance that either Olt or Vogelbach's hit tool develops to the point where a .250/.320/.420 first basemans job is in jeopardy.

 

Personally I like Rizzo and think he bounces back to a .270/.350/.475 kind of guy. I don't think his hit tool is a consistent .850 OPS one. I think that Olt, Bryant and Vogelbach all have that kind of hit tool. Now, The question is will they reach it.

[treebird]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

 

i generally agree with you, but i have no interest at all in a rizzo that doesn't improve from where he is right now.

[Guest]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

You couldn't be more wrong. I think Rizzo has a good chance of improving but if he does not improve (and I think he will) THEN someone like Olt or Bryant or Vogelbach could challenge him for the 1B job IF they continue to develop. While Bryant is probably destined to CO, I think there is a good chance that either Olt or Vogelbach's hit tool develops to the point where a .250/.320/.420 first basemans job is in jeopardy.

 

Personally I like Rizzo and think he bounces back to a .270/.350/.475 kind of guy. I don't think his hit tool is a consistent .850 OPS one. I think that Olt, Bryant and Vogelbach all have that kind of hit tool. Now, The question is will they reach it.

You're using "hit tool" wrong.

[XZero771679666304]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

You couldn't be more wrong. I think Rizzo has a good chance of improving but if he does not improve (and I think he will) THEN someone like Olt or Bryant or Vogelbach could challenge him for the 1B job IF they continue to develop. While Bryant is probably destined to CO, I think there is a good chance that either Olt or Vogelbach's hit tool develops to the point where a .250/.320/.420 first basemans job is in jeopardy.

 

Personally I like Rizzo and think he bounces back to a .270/.350/.475 kind of guy. I don't think his hit tool is a consistent .850 OPS one. I think that Olt, Bryant and Vogelbach all have that kind of hit tool. Now, The question is will they reach it.

 

Vogelbach and Bryant, maybe. Olt? Not so much. And Vogelbach has a huge defensive gap to overcome as well. And there's a lot of "could" and "if" in what you've been saying, all of it very premature.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

You know what I meant.

[XZero771679666304]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

You couldn't be more wrong. I think Rizzo has a good chance of improving but if he does not improve (and I think he will) THEN someone like Olt or Bryant or Vogelbach could challenge him for the 1B job IF they continue to develop. While Bryant is probably destined to CO, I think there is a good chance that either Olt or Vogelbach's hit tool develops to the point where a .250/.320/.420 first basemans job is in jeopardy.

 

Personally I like Rizzo and think he bounces back to a .270/.350/.475 kind of guy. I don't think his hit tool is a consistent .850 OPS one. I think that Olt, Bryant and Vogelbach all have that kind of hit tool. Now, The question is will they reach it.

You're using "hit tool" wrong.

 

This too.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Not really. I've never subscribed to the Castro Fan Club. I like Rizzo, but if Rizzo continues to play like he has for the the last 365 days through 2015 then Vogelbach Olt and Bryant could all threaten his job.

 

Olt now? I've not nearly given up on him, but I't put the chances of him threatening Rizzo's job at about zero. If Bryant gets moved off of 3B it'll be to the OF, where there's an actual need. If Vogelbach is OPSing 1.000 in AA or AAA late next year and Rizzo has somehow gotten worse, then we can start seriously talking about the possibility of him taking Anthony's job.

 

Listen, Rizzo has been worth 2-3 fWAR over the past 365 days. He's just turned 24 and he's going through some growing pains. Even if he doesn't improve one bit from this day forward (which I find incredibly unlikely), he's still an positive asset at 1B. You obviously dislike Rizzo for some reason, and it's affecting your judgement.

You couldn't be more wrong. I think Rizzo has a good chance of improving but if he does not improve (and I think he will) THEN someone like Olt or Bryant or Vogelbach could challenge him for the 1B job IF they continue to develop. While Bryant is probably destined to CO, I think there is a good chance that either Olt or Vogelbach's hit tool develops to the point where a .250/.320/.420 first basemans job is in jeopardy.

 

Personally I like Rizzo and think he bounces back to a .270/.350/.475 kind of guy. I don't think his hit tool is a consistent .850 OPS one. I think that Olt, Bryant and Vogelbach all have that kind of hit tool. Now, The question is will they reach it.

 

Vogelbach and Bryant, maybe. Olt? Not so much. And Vogelbach has a huge defensive gap to overcome as well. And there's a lot of "could" and "if" in what you've been saying, all of it very premature.

Right which is why I originally said that Castro and Rizzo need to get their crap together because there is a healthy list of guys who could threaten boh of them if they don't bounce back.

[Guest]

You know what I meant.

 

not really. what do you think hit tool is?

[Guest]

You know what I meant.

 

not really. what do you think hit tool is?

 

TWTOPS

[Sammy Sofa]

Right which is why I originally said that Castro and Rizzo need to get their crap together because there is a healthy list of guys who could threaten boh of them if they don't bounce back.

 

Again, not really; even if all of the "likely" guys panned out (Bryant, Almora, Baez, Soler) you could fit all of them into the lineup without displacing Rizzo and Castro (Yeah, someone moves to 2B instead of SS, but nobody is getting kicked out). Vogelbach and Olt are long shots for different reasons, but still long shots.

[Guest]

You know what I meant.

 

not really. what do you think hit tool is?

 

TWTOPS

 

hahah

[Guest]

Right which is why I originally said that Castro and Rizzo need to get their crap together because there is a healthy list of guys who could threaten boh of them if they don't bounce back.

 

Again, not really; even if all of the "likely" guys panned out (Bryant, Almora, Baez, Soler) you could fit all of them into the lineup without displacing Rizzo and Castro (Yeah, someone moves to 2B instead of SS, but nobody is getting kicked out). Vogelbach and Olt are long shots for different reasons, but still long shots.

Vogelbach is really the only one that's blocked by Rizzo. Theoretically, Alcantara is blocked if EVERYONE else panned out. Much more likely at this point is that Olt doesn't pan out, Bryant stays at 3B and Alcantara can use his speed in the OF or Bryant goes to the OF, Baez to 3B and ArAl to 2B.

 

C Castillo

1B Rizzo (VB)

2B Castro (Alcantara)

3B Olt

SS Baez

LF Bryant

CF Almora

RF Soler

[XZero771679666304]

Right which is why I originally said that Castro and Rizzo need to get their crap together because there is a healthy list of guys who could threaten boh of them if they don't bounce back.

 

Again, not really; even if all of the "likely" guys panned out (Bryant, Almora, Baez, Soler) you could fit all of them into the lineup without displacing Rizzo and Castro (Yeah, someone moves to 2B instead of SS, but nobody is getting kicked out). Vogelbach and Olt are long shots for different reasons, but still long shots.

 

Basically. If you take the current roster and plug those guys in based on where there is need and where they can play, 1B is one of the last places you would think to put any of them, probably even if you are generous and add Olt to that list.

[Tyrant]

How about just no one ever says "hit tool"?