Cub prospects in the news

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There were a lot of triple negatives that made it confusing.

 

Yes, I was agreeing that Ellsbury gets $100m, and in general I think FAs will way overshoot expectations

[Sammy Sofa]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

 

Because teams are about to get that national TV deal, in general are more profitable, and there's less competition from other top FAs.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

 

Because teams are about to get that national TV deal, in general are more profitable, and there's less competition from other top FAs.

 

It was a cruddy FA class last year and there were a bunch of teams with money to spend.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mean, if this is some kinda roundabout way of calling out racists, I'm all for it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

 

Because teams are about to get that national TV deal, in general are more profitable, and there's less competition from other top FAs.

 

It was a cruddy FA class last year and there were a bunch of teams with money to spend.

 

There's still more money this year.

 

Bourn was the 7th-highest FA contract of the season. Are there six guys in line to get a bigger payday than Ellsbury?

[davell]

The Twins screwed Bourn last year. He was in line to get more himself, then Minnesota traded Span to the Nats and Revere to the Phils. This, after Atlanta went with Upton because Boras wanted 100 mill for Bourn.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

 

Because teams are about to get that national TV deal, in general are more profitable, and there's less competition from other top FAs.

 

It was a cruddy FA class last year and there were a bunch of teams with money to spend.

 

There's still more money this year.

 

Bourn was the 7th-highest FA contract of the season. Are there six guys in line to get a bigger payday than Ellsbury?

 

Maybe. Or maybe none of them get a humungo payday.

 

There was more than enough money last year to drown Bourn with cash. Just because there's more money now doesn't automatically mean someone like Ellsbury is going to get a contract twice as big.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is Ellsbury going to blow the Bourn contract out of the water? I could see Ellsbury easily getting more, but 2 years and $52 million more?

 

Because teams are about to get that national TV deal, in general are more profitable, and there's less competition from other top FAs.

 

It was a cruddy FA class last year and there were a bunch of teams with money to spend.

 

There's still more money this year.

 

Bourn was the 7th-highest FA contract of the season. Are there six guys in line to get a bigger payday than Ellsbury?

 

Maybe. Or maybe none of them get a humungo payday.

 

There was more than enough money last year to drown Bourn with cash. Just because there's more money now doesn't automatically mean someone like Ellsbury is going to get a contract twice as big.

 

Ellsbury has a better offensive profile than Bourn and has clutchiness thrown in for the dumb guys

[Guest]

Ellsbury has also missed 35+% of his games the last 4 years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ellsbury has also missed 35+% of his games the last 4 years.

 

Interesting timeframe.

[Guest]

17% the last 3 years, 25% the last 2 years, any way you want to slice it, it's a substantial amount and will have a significant impact on his contract length.

[SouthSideRyan]

17% the last 3 years, 25% the last 2 years, any way you want to slice it, it's a substantial amount and will have a significant impact on his contract length.

 

Other than Cano, who do you see getting bigger contracts?

[Guest]

17% the last 3 years, 25% the last 2 years, any way you want to slice it, it's a substantial amount and will have a significant impact on his contract length.

 

Other than Cano, who do you see getting bigger contracts?

 

Maybe Choo, maybe Tanaka if he's posted.

 

EDIT: Maybe Abreu.

 

EDIT2: Maybe Garza.

[Layoutman]

Sign Abreu despite the defensive short comings. Give Rizzo some sessions with Dave McKay after the holidays and slowly ramp up to spring training. Rizzo will make the adjustment just fine. Personally I would rather have Cano than Ellsbury. With Cano having a slow start to the second half it might just drive down some of the interest.

[TruffleShuffle]

Sign Abreu despite the defensive short comings. Give Rizzo some sessions with Dave McKay after the holidays and slowly ramp up to spring training. Rizzo will make the adjustment just fine. Personally I would rather have Cano than Ellsbury. With Cano having a slow start to the second half it might just drive down some of the interest.

 

where is abreu going to play and where is rizzo going to play?

[Guest]

Sign Abreu despite the defensive short comings. Give Rizzo some sessions with Dave McKay after the holidays and slowly ramp up to spring training. Rizzo will make the adjustment just fine. Personally I would rather have Cano than Ellsbury. With Cano having a slow start to the second half it might just drive down some of the interest.

 

where is abreu going to play and where is rizzo going to play?

McKay being the OF coach, I'm assuming he means to move Rizzo to the OF.

[Layoutman]

From what I've read and heard 1st base is the most likely destination. Hence my comments on getting Rizzo work over the winter with McKay. Abreu seems to fit the FO parameters for adding talent. He is young at 26, has a good pedigree, the cost to acquire is purely monetary with no prospect costs. Most likely will be signed to longer deal and should peak within the FO's 'compete' timeframe.

 

There is a risk associated with any free agent signing. To the casual fan this signing will go under the radar and won't tell the fan base "were ready to compete" as a signing of Cano would. Think the FO will want to appease the casual fan base by making a splash this off season.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah, probably should have looked up Dave McKay's role in the organisation. Definitely pulled a WSR there.

[Guest]

two seasons are lost so i'm pretty much on board with the "hope our top 6 prospects all pan out" plan because they've kinda painted themselves into that corner. i mean, there's no going back to rescue the last two seasons and now the propsects that could help are getting close.

 

though, man, if baez and bryant and soler are busts...this franchise is in some serious trouble.

 

they have a lot more than 6 prospects in the system that could end up becoming great. the system is a lot deeper than that.

[Guest]

Oh come on. What does Ryan Howard have to do with anybody anyone has suggested going after this offseason?

 

you wanted pujols pretty badly, right?

[ctcf]

Yeah, probably should have looked up Dave McKay's role in the organisation. Definitely pulled a WSR there.

 

I wouldn't be that hard on yourself, man.

[WrigleyField 22]

How awfully unathletic is this Abreu guy? Just wondering if it wouldn't make sense to leave your good defensive 1B there and let him Dunn-up left field rather than weaken two defensive positions.

[TruffleShuffle]

How awfully unathletic is this Abreu guy? Just wondering if it wouldn't make sense to leave your good defensive 1B there and let him Dunn-up left field rather than weaken two defensive positions.

 

the problem with doing that is if he truly is as horrific as dunn was once he started to lose his athleticism (like mid 2000s), then his bat loses a lot of value. with dunn, you're talking about a guy who was cranking out a wOBA around .390 every season, which was damn near elite, but he was ending up anywhere from a 1 to 3 win player because he gave back so much value on defense. and there's certainly no guarantee that abreu's bat is as good as in-his-prime adam dunn. you can get as much value in LF with a platoon like schierholtz/hairston at a fraction of what abreu is likely to cost.

 

to me, the only realistic option if you sign abreu is to turn around and trade rizzo. i don't like the idea of playing abreu at 1b and rizzo at lf, because they're both going to leak value defensively, and abreu will probably be a joke in lf (and may not even sign to play a new position).

[abuck1220]

two seasons are lost so i'm pretty much on board with the "hope our top 6 prospects all pan out" plan because they've kinda painted themselves into that corner. i mean, there's no going back to rescue the last two seasons and now the propsects that could help are getting close.

 

though, man, if baez and bryant and soler are busts...this franchise is in some serious trouble.

 

they have a lot more than 6 prospects in the system that could end up becoming great. the system is a lot deeper than that.

 

how much would you like to bet that less than 6 of the cubs prospects end up being great?