Re: XM 175 - Orlando Hudson to the Dodgers....

[badnews]

Personally I think everyone should be allowed to bitch and moan about Aaron Miles for as long as they want without repraisal.

[Backtobanks]

Personally I think everyone should be allowed to bitch and moan about Aaron Miles for as long as they want without repraisal.

 

If that's how you want to spend your time, go for it.

[Backtobanks]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

 

Right now the deal is dead, but the Padres will probably be the worst team in baseball for the foreseeable future, still have payroll problems, and their prize trading chip has a NTC that he will only waive for the Cubs. I suppose a lot depends on how Shark/Marshall/Heilman look in the 5th spot and if any other pressing needs get exposed by the trading deadline, but I do think Hendry hasn't given up on obtaining Peavy. You knock about $5 million off his 2009 contract after the first half with Harden coming off the books in 2009 and suddenly money isn't quite the issue it was.

[The Other 15]

You know it's not as simple as the $3.3 difference between Miles and DeRosa. They had to make a series of moves and non-moves to clear up payroll flexability. From saving $5.5 in the Marquis trade, $3.3 in Miles/DeRosa difference and saving about $6-8 in not offering Woddy arb (he'd have got $10+) and paying Gregg $4.2 they saved about $15 mil.

 

Bradley ($9) and Dempster ($6.5 additional diff from '08) coincidentally came to about $15.5 mil (if Cots.com is right).

 

What I'm saying is they could've skipped the Miles/DeRosa difference and still been at an acceptable payroll.

I don't know what their acceptable payroll level is so, without being rude, I'm assuming neither do you. What we both do know, because Hendry said so, is that their priorities this off season were resigning Dempster and getting a LH bat for the middle of the order. By all accounts, acting on said priorities, Hendrys statements, and evidence of payroll saving moves, we can assume he knows where he has to be not only for the start of the season but flexability-wise for moves that might develop during the season out of need or players becoming available.

 

I like DeRosa as much as anyone here. I argued in his favor here (under a different username) with people who were all over Hendry for signing him to that "ridiculous" contract. I have not forgotten how unpopular that signing was. But the reality is that (for better of worse) they were intent on getting more Left Handed offensively and 2B was the only place that can accommodate that with Fots emergence. DeRo became expendable because he was not going to be paid $5.5 to sit on the bench and be a super-utility guy, waiting on his chance to develop with an injury, no matter how much we wanted him to.

[dew1679666265]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

 

Right now the deal is dead, but the Padres will probably be the worst team in baseball for the foreseeable future, still have payroll problems, and their prize trading chip has a NTC that he will only waive for the Cubs. I suppose a lot depends on how Shark/Marshall/Heilman look in the 5th spot and if any other pressing needs get exposed by the trading deadline, but I do think Hendry hasn't given up on obtaining Peavy. You knock about $5 million off his 2009 contract after the first half with Harden coming off the books in 2009 and suddenly money isn't quite the issue it was.

 

It's still possible, I guess, but I certainly wouldn't credit the DeRo trade for landing us Peavy. Hendry's hanging out on a really, really thin limb if he's willing to trade an important piece of the team for a guy we might get eight months after the initial trade.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't know what their acceptable payroll level is so, without being rude, I'm assuming neither do you.

 

We heard 140 million over and over again, and if it wasn't 140 million it was speculation that it was higher than that.

[The Other 15]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

hey dew,

How many teams have guys sitting on the bench making $5.5 mil just incase of injury? I'm not sure there are many teams that can afford that. The Cubs might be one, but apparently, because of the moves made, they don't appear to be one either.

 

You're right, Fontenot is the starter. He was the only other option to include another LH bat in the lineup. It's more because of DeRos $5.5 salary that he became the odd man out. I'm sure they'd love to have DeRo and another near all-star on the bench but I'm not sure if it was practical.

[The Other 15]

I don't know what their acceptable payroll level is so, without being rude, I'm assuming neither do you.

 

We heard 140 million over and over again, and if it wasn't 140 million it was speculation that it was higher than that.

Again, not to be rude, but what you and I heard is not more accurate than what Hendry knows. They wanted another LH bat and DeRo became the odd man out.

 

Remember that they started last year with a $118 payroll. They added another $3.5 or so with Hardens trade and Wood added another $3.5 in bonuses on his contract. They finished at roughly $125. I'm not positive, but like you said, $140 seems to be the hard line. They are already there, no. At some point another $3.3 mil (difference between Miles/DeRo) has to matter.

 

Two important factors: Their payroll is set up to increase yearly for '09 and '10. And they had to make expensive FA moves (Demp and Bradley). Somebody was going to fall victim to those factors. Those somebody's are DeRo, Marquis and Wood.

[dew1679666265]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

hey dew,

How many teams have guys sitting on the bench making $5.5 mil just incase of injury? I'm not sure there are many teams that can afford that. The Cubs might be one, but apparently, because of the moves made, they don't appear to be one either.

 

You're right, Fontenot is the starter. He was the only other option to include another LH bat in the lineup. It's more because of DeRos $5.5 salary that he became the odd man out. I'm sure they'd love to have DeRo and another near all-star on the bench but I'm not sure if it was practical.

 

And the merry go round keeps spinning. :D

 

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad. You don't take the chance that you will have an inferior player starting (which is possible with Fontenot) and a vastly inferior player on the bench just so you can get another left bat in the lineup.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty. And even if Fontenot produces as well as DeRosa, Miles' addition to the bench made this team worse than the duo of DeRosa/Fontenot. The only options should not have been to either trade DeRosa or put him on the bench.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't know what their acceptable payroll level is so, without being rude, I'm assuming neither do you.

 

We heard 140 million over and over again, and if it wasn't 140 million it was speculation that it was higher than that.

Again, not to be rude, but what you and I heard is not more accurate than what Hendry knows. They wanted another LH bat and DeRo became the odd man out.

 

Remember that they started last year with a $118 payroll. They added another $3.5 or so with Hardens trade and Wood added another $3.5 in bonuses on his contract. They finished at roughly $125. I'm not positive, but like you said, $140 seems to be the hard line. They are already there, no. At some point another $3.3 mil (difference between Miles/DeRo) has to matter.

 

Two important factors: Their payroll is set up to increase yearly for '09 and '10. And they had to make expensive FA moves (Demp and Bradley). Somebody was going to fall victim to those factors. Those somebody's are DeRo, Marquis and Wood.

 

My head hurts.

[The Other 15]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

hey dew,

How many teams have guys sitting on the bench making $5.5 mil just incase of injury? I'm not sure there are many teams that can afford that. The Cubs might be one, but apparently, because of the moves made, they don't appear to be one either.

 

You're right, Fontenot is the starter. He was the only other option to include another LH bat in the lineup. It's more because of DeRos $5.5 salary that he became the odd man out. I'm sure they'd love to have DeRo and another near all-star on the bench but I'm not sure if it was practical.

 

And the merry go round keeps spinning. :D

 

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad. You don't take the chance that you will have an inferior player starting (which is possible with Fontenot) and a vastly inferior player on the bench just so you can get another left bat in the lineup.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty. And even if Fontenot produces as well as DeRosa, Miles' addition to the bench made this team worse than the duo of DeRosa/Fontenot. The only options should not have been to either trade DeRosa or put him on the bench.

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad

Yeah, I believe that is at the crux for this discussion. Was it so important to get a LH bat for the middle of the order like they seemed hell bent on doing, and adding another LH bat in the lineup at the expense of DeRo. For that to be answered, we'll have to wait and see.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty.

I'm not positive that Fontenot is automatically categorized as "less productive" than DeRo. Less experienced, less of a certainty, sure. DeRo was not going to sit on the bench if they decided to give Font a chance so we can forget debating about why they didn't keep him incase of injury.

 

DeRo had a career year. Can he repeat it? Sure. But odds are not in his favor. Fontenot had what appears to have been an exceptional season. But his minor league numbers suggest he only excelled in SLG last season. Otherwise he's been the .290/.370/.440 guy for his career. That's not to shabby for a 2B considering that's better than DeRo prior to last season.

 

I'm not accusing you of being one, but isn't it ironic that whenever Cubs management does not give a young player a shot over a more proven vet, we get all over them. Now, in the case of Font over DeRo people are so amped up to keep the 34 year old who seems to have peaked.

 

Round and round we go.

[dew1679666265]

And the merry go round keeps spinning. :D

 

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad. You don't take the chance that you will have an inferior player starting (which is possible with Fontenot) and a vastly inferior player on the bench just so you can get another left bat in the lineup.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty. And even if Fontenot produces as well as DeRosa, Miles' addition to the bench made this team worse than the duo of DeRosa/Fontenot. The only options should not have been to either trade DeRosa or put him on the bench.

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad

Yeah, I believe that is at the crux for this discussion. Was it so important to get a LH bat for the middle of the order like they seemed hell bent on doing, and adding another LH bat in the lineup at the expense of DeRo. For that to be answered, we'll have to wait and see.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty.

I'm not positive that Fontenot is automatically categorized as "less productive" than DeRo. Less experienced, less of a certainty, sure. DeRo was not going to sit on the bench if they decided to give Font a chance so we can forget debating about why they didn't keep him incase of injury.

 

Round and round we go.

 

One of my biggest issues with this trade was that I was afraid it was made to "get more left handed." As I said, you don't add in a less productive player just because he's left handed.

 

Let's put it this way: If Hendry had decided to go with the best players he could as opposed to filling spots with lefties, our lineup would have DeRosa getting the majority of ABs at second, some at third, a few in left and quite a few in right. For the ABs DeRosa didn't get at second, Fontenot would have filled in. He also would have been our first batter off the bench.

 

But, since Hendry decided to prefer the side of the plate a player hit from as opposed to their talent level, we will have Fontenot getting the a large number of ABs at second and Aaron Miles getting the ABs (most likely) against lefties. When Aramis, Soriano or Bradley go down, we will fill that spot with Miles' ABs. Aaron Miles or Micah Hoffpauir are now our best bats off the bench.

 

How is scenario 2 better than scenario 1?

[Tarver]

Jus tot be clear. I'm not calling you a pseudo intellectual, just calling out the general theme of every message board thread. We've seen differences of .03 in win shares debated etc. You won't get what Hendry sees from anyone here so I suggest watching and observing with an open mind. From your posts today and in the past, you seem to do that anyways. In closing, yes, there were other ways to go. Debatably better/cheaper/or not, but he chose this way. I suppose I would be more adamantly against this signing if I saw it as the worst move like everyone else seems to see it or if I saw it as an obstacle for real difference makers. I just don't.

 

Why not debate .03 differences in Win Shares? There hasn't been much to get excited about this offseason. :D

 

My ultimate problem with the move is that I tie it closely to the DeRo trade that I thought (and still think) was so bad. Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRo's (and Fontenot) and that downgrade bugs me. It's not a killer though, so hopefully something good will come of it.

 

Instead of saying Miles' spot on the bench used to be DeRosa's, try saying that Miles' spot on the bench used to be Cedeno's. DeRosa was a starter, not a sub. Fontenot took DeRosa's job and the cash saved helped pay for Bradley. Finally, I still think the DeRosa trade will end up landing us Peavy.

 

Fontenot is the starter, but any injuries to Bradley and Aramis (and perhaps even Soriano) would have been filled with DeRosa. Now they'll be filled with Miles on the infield and Gathright/Hoff in the outfield. I'm ok with Hoff filling some of that OF time, but I'm not with Miles filling the IF time. Fontenot was going to get a bunch of ABs with or without DeRo.

 

And I really don't think the Peavy deal is happening, but I'll have a different outlook on the offseason if it does. Again, though, it appears very unlikely.

 

Right now the deal is dead, but the Padres will probably be the worst team in baseball for the foreseeable future, still have payroll problems, and their prize trading chip has a NTC that he will only waive for the Cubs. I suppose a lot depends on how Shark/Marshall/Heilman look in the 5th spot and if any other pressing needs get exposed by the trading deadline, but I do think Hendry hasn't given up on obtaining Peavy. You knock about $5 million off his 2009 contract after the first half with Harden coming off the books in 2009 and suddenly money isn't quite the issue it was.

 

That's a hell of a lot assumptions for only three sentences.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't know what their acceptable payroll level is so, without being rude, I'm assuming neither do you.

 

We heard 140 million over and over again, and if it wasn't 140 million it was speculation that it was higher than that.

Again, not to be rude, but what you and I heard is not more accurate than what Hendry knows. They wanted another LH bat and DeRo became the odd man out.

 

Remember that they started last year with a $118 payroll. They added another $3.5 or so with Hardens trade and Wood added another $3.5 in bonuses on his contract. They finished at roughly $125. I'm not positive, but like you said, $140 seems to be the hard line. They are already there, no. At some point another $3.3 mil (difference between Miles/DeRo) has to matter.

 

Two important factors: Their payroll is set up to increase yearly for '09 and '10. And they had to make expensive FA moves (Demp and Bradley). Somebody was going to fall victim to those factors. Those somebody's are DeRo, Marquis and Wood.

 

My head hurts.

 

I am not sure what is so confusing. Clearly Hendry didn't trade DeRosa just for the fun of it. If he had been able to keep DeRosa and still sign Bradley it is a no brainer that he would have. The DeRosa trade was clearly a salary dump so whoever we "heard" from over and over again that it was 140 million and whoever "speculated" that it might be higher obviously was wrong. It's not like Hendry didn't like DeRosa - he just really wanted Bradley for RF and clearly was forced to get rid of some bigger '09 contracts in order to be given the OK to sign him.

[The Other 15]

And the merry go round keeps spinning. :D

 

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad. You don't take the chance that you will have an inferior player starting (which is possible with Fontenot) and a vastly inferior player on the bench just so you can get another left bat in the lineup.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty. And even if Fontenot produces as well as DeRosa, Miles' addition to the bench made this team worse than the duo of DeRosa/Fontenot. The only options should not have been to either trade DeRosa or put him on the bench.

If it was their obsession to "get more left handed" that forced DeRo out of town, then the obsession with getting more left handed was bad

Yeah, I believe that is at the crux for this discussion. Was it so important to get a LH bat for the middle of the order like they seemed hell bent on doing, and adding another LH bat in the lineup at the expense of DeRo. For that to be answered, we'll have to wait and see.

 

I'm all for lineup balance when feasible, but not adding less productive players for the sake of getting more lefty.

I'm not positive that Fontenot is automatically categorized as "less productive" than DeRo. Less experienced, less of a certainty, sure. DeRo was not going to sit on the bench if they decided to give Font a chance so we can forget debating about why they didn't keep him incase of injury.

 

Round and round we go.

 

One of my biggest issues with this trade was that I was afraid it was made to "get more left handed." As I said, you don't add in a less productive player just because he's left handed.

 

Let's put it this way: If Hendry had decided to go with the best players he could as opposed to filling spots with lefties, our lineup would have DeRosa getting the majority of ABs at second, some at third, a few in left and quite a few in right. For the ABs DeRosa didn't get at second, Fontenot would have filled in. He also would have been our first batter off the bench.

 

But, since Hendry decided to prefer the side of the plate a player hit from as opposed to their talent level, we will have Fontenot getting the a large number of ABs at second and Aaron Miles getting the ABs (most likely) against lefties. When Aramis, Soriano or Bradley go down, we will fill that spot with Miles' ABs. Aaron Miles or Micah Hoffpauir are now our best bats off the bench.

 

How is scenario 2 better than scenario 1?

As I said, you don't add in a less productive player just because he's left handed.

You have to let go of the idea that DeRosa would have been a wonderful backup. This team is not in that financial realm under any scenario to keep him as a backup. The move was made because they felt Fontenot not only makes them more LH, but likely better for the long term.

 

These moves were made to (a) lock up Demp and (b) add another quality hitter in the middle of the order (Bradley).

 

Under your scenario you still have DeRosa in the lineup but Fukudome as the everyday LH bat with Font getting some AB's mixed in.

 

Now they have Bradley/Font/Fuku and Miles getting AB's mixed in. I have to say, going forward, I like the that more than DeRosa/Font/Fuku and Edmonds. Especially since I'm not that sold on Edmonds and DeRosa being able to repeat last season.

[Bote McBoteface]

Speaking of Edmonds, and not that I want to derail the topic, but has anybody heard any news about where he's gonna end up? Or did he sign with the O's?

[BCVM22]

Jimmy's still a FA.

[dew1679666265]

As I said, you don't add in a less productive player just because he's left handed.

You have to let go of the idea that DeRosa would have been a wonderful backup. This team is not in that financial realm under any scenario to keep him as a backup. The move was made because they felt Fontenot not only makes them more LH, but likely better for the long term.

 

Where have I ever said DeRosa would make a wonderful backup? DeRosa should be the starter at second base and then shift over to fill in for injuries. During those times that he was shifted over, Fontenot would get lots of ABs.

 

And I realize Hendry wanted to get more left handed, but my argument is you don't go from Mark DeRosa starting and Mike Fontenot filling in to Mike Fontenot starting and Aaron Miles platooning and being the best bat off the bench. That is an overall downgrade even if we did get more left handed.

 

These moves were made to (a) lock up Demp and (b) add another quality hitter in the middle of the order (Bradley).

 

Under your scenario you still have DeRosa in the lineup but Fukudome as the everyday LH bat with Font getting some AB's mixed in.

 

Now they have Bradley/Font/Fuku and Miles getting AB's mixed in. I have to say, going forward, I like the that more than DeRosa/Font/Fuku and Edmonds. Especially since I'm not that sold on Edmonds and DeRosa being able to repeat last season.

 

The money we saved from the DeRosa contract after we signed Miles was only about $3 million or so (as Tiger has said). We're still around $3 million below what the salary limit is supposed to be. If you don't sign Miles and you keep DeRosa and everything else this offseason happens exactly the same, you're right at the salary target.

 

Why did we have to trade DeRosa in order to sign Bradley?

[cubbinalltheway]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2085077#p2085077 (Levine)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2041881#p2041881 (Miles)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2042187#p2042187 (Wittenmeyer with words from Kenney)

[badnews]

Personally I think everyone should be allowed to bitch and moan about Aaron Miles for as long as they want without repraisal.

 

If that's how you want to spend your time, go for it.

 

Is there such a thing as productive use of time on here?

[cubbinalltheway]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2085077#p2085077 (Levine)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2041881#p2041881 (Miles)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2042187#p2042187 (Wittenmeyer with words from Kenney)

thanks, but none of those links provides anything more than speculation.

[Tracer Bullet]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2085077#p2085077 (Levine)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2041881#p2041881 (Miles)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2042187#p2042187 (Wittenmeyer with words from Kenney)

thanks, but none of those links provides anything more than speculation.

 

oh come on. Things could have changed since those reports came out, but that's 3 guys whose sources have the same figure. Seems like a tad more than some guy at nsbb pulling a number out of thin air.

[cubbinalltheway]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2085077#p2085077 (Levine)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2041881#p2041881 (Miles)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2042187#p2042187 (Wittenmeyer with words from Kenney)

thanks, but none of those links provides anything more than speculation.

 

oh come on. Things could have changed since those reports came out, but that's 3 guys whose sources have the same figure. Seems like a tad more than some guy at nsbb pulling a number out of thin air.

you're missing the point. people in this thread are using the 140m term as if it's absolute. i'd just like to see something - anything - that says that. has hendry ever even said anything along the lines of "we'll probably wind up in the 140 range" or anything similar?

[Tracer Bullet]

can someone please link me to something that says the payroll will be 140m? multiple people are speaking as though that's an absolute, so it should be fairly easy to find something that says that.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2085077#p2085077 (Levine)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2041881#p2041881 (Miles)

 

viewtopic.php?p=2042187#p2042187 (Wittenmeyer with words from Kenney)

thanks, but none of those links provides anything more than speculation.

 

oh come on. Things could have changed since those reports came out, but that's 3 guys whose sources have the same figure. Seems like a tad more than some guy at nsbb pulling a number out of thin air.

you're missing the point. people in this thread are using the 140m term as if it's absolute. i'd just like to see something - anything - that says that. has hendry ever even said anything along the lines of "we'll probably wind up in the 140 range" or anything similar?

 

I don't think I'm missing anything. If you expect Hendry to say that the payroll will be exactly $140m and nothing is going to change his mind, you're not going to get it. But what you're asking is pretty close to what Crane said in one or more of those linked articles.