Prospects

[stitchface]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

[tadowdaddy]

I'm up for doing it this way, that would be fine. I do think it makes it more fair for the teams that are trying to rebuild since they can't afford to use mid round draft picks to draft guys that are going to sit in their minors. I'd be all up for it in 09. We could structure it the same way, meaning finish the main draft first then do 24 hours in between minor league picks after that. Maybe 3 rounds worth or something?

[cbbryan]

It doesn't matter to me when we do it, but we have a clear decision on it before the draft! There's many new names in the player pool.

[Guest]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

I'd like to see the prospect draft separate. Maybe, late March or early April ?

[Guest]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

[shnsajax]

I would like a separate draft too.

[NCCubFan]

I like the idea too. That puts everybody on equal footing as opposed to losing out on prospects because Tim piles up draft picks and overdrafts them. :D

 

Speaking of prospects, I still need to have my previous prospects restored. It would be torture to start off with no prospects because I made a mistake on a new procedure that we hadn't used before.

[UK1679666180]

The sooner, the better. That shitty farm of mine ain't going to be the same. Edited February 16, 2009 by UK

[tadowdaddy]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

 

 

I dunno about Rule 5, lets just say that anyone who meets the requirements to be in the minor leagues is a prospect. They cannot be drafted in the major league draft. That would be a valid definition for purposes of this league. That would allow us to work out the specifics for a minor league draft while also beginning the major league draft.

[cbbryan]

How would we determine the draft order? Have the same order as the MLB draft? Pick straws?

[abuck1220]

if tim wants to continue to draft prospects in the first round, that's fine with me.

[Guest]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

 

 

I dunno about Rule 5, lets just say that anyone who meets the requirements to be in the minor leagues is a prospect. They cannot be drafted in the major league draft. That would be a valid definition for purposes of this league. That would allow us to work out the specifics for a minor league draft while also beginning the major league draft.

 

no, I don't like that because players like david price then couldn't be picked and that would be silly (not that these guys are generally available anyway).

[tadowdaddy]

if tim wants to continue to draft prospects in the first round, that's fine with me.

 

 

I just think it's more fair to allow the people that are trying to rebuild their teams to also have the opportunity to draft minor leaguers, separately from the ML draft.

[Guest]

I like the idea too. That puts everybody on equal footing as opposed to losing out on prospects because Tim piles up draft picks and overdrafts them. :D

 

Speaking of prospects, I still need to have my previous prospects restored. It would be torture to start off with no prospects because I made a mistake on a new procedure that we hadn't used before.

 

 

well, 1 out of 16 getting screwed ain't bad. as punishment, I will drop one prospect from your team at random . . . . I pick Baumgarner - is he any good?

[NCCubFan]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

 

 

I dunno about Rule 5, lets just say that anyone who meets the requirements to be in the minor leagues is a prospect. They cannot be drafted in the major league draft. That would be a valid definition for purposes of this league. That would allow us to work out the specifics for a minor league draft while also beginning the major league draft.

 

no, I don't like that because players like david price then couldn't be picked and that would be silly (not that these guys are generally available anyway).

A variation might be to say that if you draft a player that still is minor league eligible in the major league phase you have to keep him on your major league roster or release him unless he actually gets sent down to the minor leagues.

[tadowdaddy]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

 

 

I dunno about Rule 5, lets just say that anyone who meets the requirements to be in the minor leagues is a prospect. They cannot be drafted in the major league draft. That would be a valid definition for purposes of this league. That would allow us to work out the specifics for a minor league draft while also beginning the major league draft.

 

no, I don't like that because players like david price then couldn't be picked and that would be silly (not that these guys are generally available anyway).

 

But then he could be picked in a prospects type draft. Are there really any players available out there that are good enough to be ML players this year like Price anyway?

[tadowdaddy]

I think we should have the prospect draft separately. This just seems like a more fair way to do it. This will definitely be the plan for 2010 - should we do it in 2009?

I like the way it has been, but that's probably pretty predictable since I've probably made heavier use of prospects than anyone else under the current system.

 

 

yea, but if you look at some of the new managers, they are kind of hosed by the current system. at this point, the prospect rosters are pretty well developed to the point where we could probably just do it by waivers. the sticking point is, what is a prospect and what isn't when it comes to the draft? Should we make it like Rule 5 - if you draft them they have to stay on your major league roster all year? Or is there some other rule that would work?

 

 

I dunno about Rule 5, lets just say that anyone who meets the requirements to be in the minor leagues is a prospect. They cannot be drafted in the major league draft. That would be a valid definition for purposes of this league. That would allow us to work out the specifics for a minor league draft while also beginning the major league draft.

 

no, I don't like that because players like david price then couldn't be picked and that would be silly (not that these guys are generally available anyway).

A variation might be to say that if you draft a player that still is minor league eligible in the major league phase you have to keep him on your major league roster or release him unless he actually gets sent down to the minor leagues.

 

 

What if he starts in the minors though? If minor leaguers are going to be drafted in the ML draft, there has to be a rule 5 type thing implemented I guess. That's the only way to keep it fair. That way, the player takes up a roster space or has to be dropped.

[NCCubFan]

I like the idea too. That puts everybody on equal footing as opposed to losing out on prospects because Tim piles up draft picks and overdrafts them. :D

 

Speaking of prospects, I still need to have my previous prospects restored. It would be torture to start off with no prospects because I made a mistake on a new procedure that we hadn't used before.

 

 

well, 1 out of 16 getting screwed ain't bad. as punishment, I will drop one prospect from your team at random . . . . I pick Baumgarner - is he any good?

He looks very good, but is still in A-ball (expected to open this year in high-A).

 

I'm not sure if you were serious about that or not (it's hard to tell sometimes over the Internet), but if you were that seems fair to me, since it was my mistake. I may be able to pick him back up in the minor league draft.

[Guest]

I was just kidding.

[Guest]

ok, the rule I came up with is this:

 

You can draft any player who made a major league roster last year or who will open the season on a major league roster (at your risk as you will lose the player if he isn't on a 25 man roster to open the season.

 

:pig: smiley courtesy of halla - no meaning intended!

[BigbadB1679666149]

I think the minor league portion should be reversed from the major league portion, and run it immediately following the major league draft. Reversed meaning that if you had the first pick (prior to any trades of draft picks) in the major league portion, you get the 16th pick in the minor league.

 

The issues that I can see from a minor league draft, is that many teams already have full rosters. Some may want 8 minor leaguers while some may not want any.

 

Therefore, my idea would be that you do 12 rounds of major league draft and 2 or 3 rounds of minor league draft. After that, any minor leaguers can just be picked up through the normal waiver process.

 

Realistically, how many talented prospects worthy of a spot on a roster will be available at draft time? 4 rounds would be 48, which is damn near 33% of the maximum of minor league roster spots.

[tadowdaddy]

ok, the rule I came up with is this:

 

You can draft any player who made a major league roster last year or who will open the season on a major league roster (at your risk as you will lose the player if he isn't on a 25 man roster to open the season.

 

:pig: smiley courtesy of halla - no meaning intended!

 

 

Fair... I like it. Lets get this thing started! Tim... you're on the clock.

[NCCubFan]

ok, the rule I came up with is this:

 

You can draft any player who made a major league roster last year or who will open the season on a major league roster (at your risk as you will lose the player if he isn't on a 25 man roster to open the season.

Sounds reasonable to me. That seems similar in principle to risking losing a player on your DL in anticipation of him opening the season on the DL.

 

And thanks for restoring my prospects.

[Guest]

I think the minor league portion should be reversed from the major league portion, and run it immediately following the major league draft. Reversed meaning that if you had the first pick (prior to any trades of draft picks) in the major league portion, you get the 16th pick in the minor league.

 

The issues that I can see from a minor league draft, is that many teams already have full rosters. Some may want 8 minor leaguers while some may not want any.

 

Therefore, my idea would be that you do 12 rounds of major league draft and 2 or 3 rounds of minor league draft. After that, any minor leaguers can just be picked up through the normal waiver process.

 

Realistically, how many talented prospects worthy of a spot on a roster will be available at draft time? 4 rounds would be 48, which is damn near 33% of the maximum of minor league roster spots.

 

I disagree on the draft order but agree on the number of rounds. Using waivers isn't much different from a draft anyway. We'll go three rounds. You can always pass.

 

What is the reason to wait until after the major league draft?