NFL offseason thread 2009

[kujay]

So do Packer fans boo him out of Lambeau like they should or are we still going to see half the damn stadium wearing a green number 4 jersey?

 

Can't we see both?

 

They are still pretty split up there, believe it or not.

[hawkeyecub]

Pretty good analysis from Mayock:

 

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/what-favre-really-means-to-vikings-offense/

 

Trent Dilfer had a good take earlier also. Favre is going to get a lot of opportunities and looks that he hasn't gotten before. Teams are still probably going to put 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down and make him beat them. The coaches (and Favre) can't fall in love with the pass and get away from what they do best.

[bcl412]

I know the Favre retirement crap is played out and old, and I hate it too but I've been thinking of this, as a Packer fan and him playing for the Vikings pisses me off. Favre is the reason I'm a Packer fan. I have three different Favre jerseys. Two from when I was a kid and one I bought a couple of years ago (during the 4-12 season in fact). Favre is pretty much my childhood sports hero...and now he plays for my least favorite team in sports.

 

I guess now I know what Cards fans feel like with Edmonds or maybe Bears fans with McMahon playing for the Packers (all though I'm not sure Bears fans really cared and McMahon never really played for the Packers) but it isn't really the same.

 

God, seeing him in the Purple uniform for the first time is going to make me puke. I really hope he fails for them.

[Magnetic Curses]

I can't wait until October 5th and November 1st.

 

Blitz, blitz, blitz.

 

Yep, I hope we knock his ass out.

 

Nov 1st is going to be so un real.

 

Is this the general feeling among Packers fans? How long will it take for these wounds to heal?

 

Years. This finally puts the Vikes ahead of the Bears in my book.

 

when i was growing up, the bears' main rival was always the vikings.

 

don't worry, the bears will smash your faces on opening night and it will make everyone really really mad.

[Soul]

I know the Favre retirement crap is played out and old, and I hate it too but I've been thinking of this, as a Packer fan and him playing for the Vikings pisses me off. Favre is the reason I'm a Packer fan. I have three different Favre jerseys. Two from when I was a kid and one I bought a couple of years ago (during the 4-12 season in fact). Favre is pretty much my childhood sports hero...and now he plays for my least favorite team in sports.

 

I guess now I know what Cards fans feel like with Edmonds or maybe Bears fans with McMahon playing for the Packers (all though I'm not sure Bears fans really cared and McMahon never really played for the Packers) but it isn't really the same.

 

God, seeing him in the Purple uniform for the first time is going to make me puke. I really hope he fails for them.

 

Now you must turn to anger and hatred. Hatred for the man who has ripped your heart to shreds.

[Outshined_One]

They gave him two years? Are they nuts?!

[Soul]

Yeah. $12million and $13million respectively, I believe.

[hawkeyecub]

They gave him two years? Are they nuts?!

 

This isn't baseball, contracts aren't guaranteed.

 

He doesn't see a dime of the 2nd year money unless he's on the roster on opening day September 2010. They don't owe him anything if they release him.

[Outshined_One]

They gave him two years? Are they nuts?!

 

This isn't baseball, contracts aren't guaranteed.

 

He doesn't see a dime of the 2nd year money unless he's on the roster on opening day September 2010. They don't owe him anything if they release him.

 

Don't they take a cap hit if they release him, though?

[Soul]

They gave him two years? Are they nuts?!

 

This isn't baseball, contracts aren't guaranteed.

 

He doesn't see a dime of the 2nd year money unless he's on the roster on opening day September 2010. They don't owe him anything if they release him.

 

Don't they take a cap hit if they release him, though?

I'm pretty sure they don't if he retires. I thought the cap hit was mostly for spread-out guaranteed money -- but I'm not all that cap savvy.

[dew1679666265]

They gave him two years? Are they nuts?!

 

This isn't baseball, contracts aren't guaranteed.

 

He doesn't see a dime of the 2nd year money unless he's on the roster on opening day September 2010. They don't owe him anything if they release him.

 

Don't they take a cap hit if they release him, though?

I'm pretty sure they don't if he retires. I thought the cap hit was mostly for spread-out guaranteed money -- but I'm not all that cap savvy.

 

I'm pretty sure there is a cap hit on the signing bonus he received, but only if the Vikings cut him. If he retires, they don't owe him a thing.

[Banedon]

Yeah....they only take a cap hit on the proration of the signing bonus. Only guaranteed money is a cap hit.

[Outshined_One]

In that case, I hope he refuses to retire and the Vikings are unable to trade him after this season.

[hawkeyecub]

In that case, I hope he refuses to retire and the Vikings are unable to trade him after this season.

 

It doesn't matter. If they release him they don't owe him anything. He has $6M guaranteed automatically for this year and most likely the full $12M. Beyond that he gets nothing unless he's on the roster opening day next September.

[17 Seconds]

I can't wait until October 5th and November 1st.

 

Blitz, blitz, blitz.

 

Yep, I hope we knock his ass out.

 

Nov 1st is going to be so un real.

 

Is this the general feeling among Packers fans? How long will it take for these wounds to heal?

 

Years. This finally puts the Vikes ahead of the Bears in my book.

 

how? favre sucks

[RedFlash]

how? favre sucks

 

Agreed. Anytime you take touches away from AP, and not be productive is fine with me. I think there is a good chance Brett Favre will be worse in 2009 then Tavaris Jackson was in 2008.

[rawaction]

Messy football is football. Clean, sterile football is a commercially created package that doesn't hold the same interest and intrigue for me.

 

Swine flu. I think you need to get checked for swine flu.

 

Outdoor grass football is much better than synthetic field inside a garbage bag. But the Soldier Field turf is horrible. It's significantly worse than the high school field I played on. It's akin to the practice fields we used. It's a joke.

 

Heinz Field is worse. But yeah, Soldier Field has been one of the 2 worse grass fields in the NFL since about 1990.

[Banedon]

In that case, I hope he refuses to retire and the Vikings are unable to trade him after this season.

 

It doesn't matter. If they release him they don't owe him anything. He has $6M guaranteed automatically for this year and most likely the full $12M. Beyond that he gets nothing unless he's on the roster opening day next September.

 

The cap hit for the $6 mil guaranteed will get split over the two years if I understand this salary cap stuff correctly

[David]

I can't wait until October 5th and November 1st.

 

Blitz, blitz, blitz.

 

Yep, I hope we knock his ass out.

 

Nov 1st is going to be so un real.

 

Is this the general feeling among Packers fans? How long will it take for these wounds to heal?

 

Years. This finally puts the Vikes ahead of the Bears in my book.

 

how? favre sucks

 

 

I think he means in terms of his hatred for either team as a Packer fan.

[David]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12082000

 

If it's not an excuse, he's just a former cannon-armed quarterback who now fires a pop gun.

 

Bang, bang, you're not dead.

 

Favre led the NFL in interceptions with 22, four of which were returned for scores. That has been his way for a long time. He has always taken chances, which is why he is one of the greats. But a closer peak inside the numbers reveals a fading star.

 

He threw 22 touchdown passes to go with those 22 picks. Of those, he threw nine touchdowns and three interceptions in two games in September. December showed him to be old and done, with Favre throwing two touchdown passes and eight interceptions.

 

His passer rating in the first month of the season was 107.4. In the final month it was 54.0.

 

You can hear the creaky bones from here.

 

Want more? In December, he had one game with a completion percentage higher than 60 percent. In September, he had two more than 70 percent and one just missed. All four in the first month were far better than any in the last four.

 

As for the long ball, it was long gone in the second half of the season. Favre had two pass plays over 40 in the second half of the season after having four in the first four games.

 

See a pattern?

 

Now the excuse makers will say it was because of his arm troubles. I think it was more than that.

 

Plus, he's a year older and the arm was cut on in the offseason. Oh, he turns 40 in October.

 

Oh, Lordy, he's 40 -- and he'll play like it.

 

Sift through drool from others in the media and you will see what I see.

 

Favre is a selfish player who should have stayed on the farm.

[David]

A few things on Favre...

 

Last year, he 51% of his total yardage was YAC. Only two other full time QBs had higher percentages... Campbell and Cassel. He thrived on those short routes. Once teams caught on to the fact that they could cut that off and force him to go deep, he became a disaster. I don't think it's as simple as blaming it on a bicep injury.

[bcl412]

 

 

I think he means in terms of his hatred for either team as a Packer fan.

 

I don't think he's that good anymore and the Packers have a better QB at this point in Favre's career, on top of that he might be making the Vikings worse, so him being in the same division as the Packers is probably a plus. It just sucks, emotionally, to see him in a Vikings uniform. I don't know what the hell I'm going to do with my Favre jersey right now. I suppose wait a few years and nobody will remember him on the Vikings. Hell, maybe he'll suck before the season starts and will get cut, or maybe he will change his mind and retire again.

[jersey cubs fan]

Amusing Slate piece documenting the oft-discussed King/Favre relationship with quotes that show King drift from a worshipper to a jilted lover. He equates the situation to a father talking glowingly about his child and then the kid becoming a drug addict and repeatedly lying to his father.

[hawkeyecub]

Wearing down toward the end of the year but continuing to play is probably my biggest fear.

 

Best case scenario is that he plays well for about 8-9 weeks (only throwing 23-28 times per game) then gets hurt badly enough that he has to miss about a month but can come back. Sage can fill in fine for a handful of games and Favre comes back refreshed for a playoff run. Of course he probably won't let the streak die unless his career is over.

[Banedon]

Amusing Slate piece documenting the oft-discussed King/Favre relationship with quotes that show King drift from a worshipper to a jilted lover. He equates the situation to a father talking glowingly about his child and then the kid becoming a drug addict and repeatedly lying to his father.

 

Nice find...my favorite part:

 

SI.com, Dec. 11, 2000: "If in two years, say, they want to trade me, I'd probably walk away. Retire." … And when you retire? "I'll be down in Hattiesburg. You'll never find me. You know the HBO 'Where are They Now?' segments on Inside the NFL? They'll do one on me, but they'll have to get Robert Stack, like on Unsolved Mysteries. I'll disappear."