Prior back with the Padres

[jersey cubs fan]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

It's well known that blown-out pitching ligaments need *more* work to get healthy...

[fromthestretch]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

 

On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder.

[cubbinalltheway]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so.

 

If you are mentally strong enough, your elbow muscles won't tear?

[cubbinalltheway]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

 

On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder.

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

[jersey cubs fan]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so.

 

No, you can't. That's just coach speak/trainer jargon. There's no telling how any pitcher will bounce back from arm injuries, especially hidden injuries that lingered for years. Prior was treated with extreme negligence by the Cubs. He was messed up, and pitchers can take years to bounce back from surgery, or never bounce back. It's not a matter of will or desire.

[Sammy Sofa]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so.

 

This is nonsensical. Did you just completely ignore what was spelled out for you? How does one "commit" to "do" an undiagnosed shoulder problem, a basepath collision and a line drive off the elbow? You're talking like he can just will himself to overcome those if he just "tries" harder.

[17 Seconds]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so.

 

 

wow. so prior can get healthy, become a superstar, and make millions of dollars.. and the only thing standing in his way is effort?

 

you really need to stop posting

[jersey cubs fan]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

He just had surgery last year. There have been multiple problems found with Prior's arm since he was exposed to Dusty.

[17 Seconds]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

 

On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder.

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

at what point do you question a cancer patient's commitment to getting healthy? 5 years of being sick? 10? death?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment.

[17 Seconds]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

He just had surgery last year. There have been multiple problems found with Prior's arm since he was exposed to Dusty.

 

nah dude, he just needs to work out more. if only he knew how much money and fame was at stake. somebody should really tell him. maybe i'll write him an e-mail or something to let him know what he could be if he just worked out

[cubbinalltheway]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

[fromthestretch]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

 

On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder.

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

He had a shoulder injury that the doctor's didn't find for years. The guy was pitching in constant pain. When you have pain, and no one can tell you what's causing it, it doesn't matter how freaking hard you work.

[cubbinalltheway]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment.

really? no reason? why's that?

[17 Seconds]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

 

umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread.

[jersey cubs fan]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

 

You think the only thing keeping Prior from returning from injuries/surgery is a lack of effort in trying to come back.

[UK1679666180]

look if the guy could even put together one season where he pitched well and stayed healthy, he'd probably get a contract offer in the tens of millions. do you really think he's just lazy, sitting around eating cheetos and watching tv, eager to give up that kind of money? give me a break.

no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is.

 

We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort.

 

On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder.

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

It's more dependent on the effectiveness of a medical staff (or ineffectiveness of the Cubs staff during Prior's tenure) as far as repairing the shoulder/elbow than a player's commitment to rehab. His shoulder is/was structurally damaged & if they don't repair it properly, allocating time and effort towards rehab won't matter, especially as stress levels rise and typical fatigue sets in.

[17 Seconds]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment.

really? no reason? why's that?

 

do you think he's unaware of what's at stake?

 

this is not his hobby. he's not just a fan. this is this guy's career. millions and million of dollars, not to mention fame and much more, are at stake right now. you really think he's not commited to that? give me a break.

[cubbinalltheway]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

 

umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread.

i see. this must be the "group think" that i've been told by others is northsidebaseball's biggest downfall.

[17 Seconds]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

 

umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread.

i see. this must be the "group think" that i've been told by others is northsidebaseball's biggest downfall.

 

if by "group think" you mean "a bunch of people with common sense", then yes.

[cubbinalltheway]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment.

really? no reason? why's that?

 

do you think he's unaware of what's at stake?

 

this is not his hobby. he's not just a fan. this is this guy's career. millions and million of dollars, not to mention fame and much more, are at stake right now. you really think he's not commited to that? give me a break.

no, i don't. i think if he were actually committed he wouldn't have been hurt for the last FIVE YEARS.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever?

 

In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment.

really? no reason? why's that?

 

What possible reason do you have to question it, other than the delusion that you are personally acquainted with the personality of someone you've likely never closely met, and the belief that deficiencies in someone's muscular structure can be fixed by pure willpower?

[rocket]

you really need to stop posting

what a stupid thing to say.

 

umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread.

i see. this must be the "group think" that i've been told by others is northsidebaseball's biggest downfall.

 

you've convinced me. the only thing standing in the way of mark prior getting healthy is his effort. not the fact that his shoulder was misdiagnosed for a couple years and has been found to have quite a few problems.