2009 NFL Draft Thread

[dew1679666265]

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Rotoworld's first mock draft

 

30. Titans - Florida WR Percy Harvin

 

As concerned as I am about Harvin's ability to stay healthy, I'd like this pick.

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Oher Oher Oher.

 

The right OT Smith is taken at 1 and Andre Smith tumbles to 13.

[CubColtPacer]

I think Sanchez would stuggle running KC's offense - since it would be a huge step down in sophistication from USC's.

 

Do the chefs have a coaching staff yet?

 

No idea who the Chefs are, but the Chiefs have yet to officially terminate Herm Edwards. :wink:

 

That said, the rumors are flying that he'll go either this year or next.

 

The Chiefs fired Herm Edwards in January:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_chiefs_fire_herm_edwards.html

 

They hired Todd Haley to take the job in early February:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/06/haley.ap/

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Sanchez would stuggle running KC's offense - since it would be a huge step down in sophistication from USC's.

 

Do the chefs have a coaching staff yet?

 

No idea who the Chefs are, but the Chiefs have yet to officially terminate Herm Edwards. :wink:

 

That said, the rumors are flying that he'll go either this year or next.

 

The Chiefs fired Herm Edwards in January:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_chiefs_fire_herm_edwards.html

 

They hired Todd Haley to take the job in early February:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/06/haley.ap/

 

You are responding to posts written in January.

[CubColtPacer]

I think Sanchez would stuggle running KC's offense - since it would be a huge step down in sophistication from USC's.

 

Do the chefs have a coaching staff yet?

 

No idea who the Chefs are, but the Chiefs have yet to officially terminate Herm Edwards. :wink:

 

That said, the rumors are flying that he'll go either this year or next.

 

The Chiefs fired Herm Edwards in January:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_chiefs_fire_herm_edwards.html

 

They hired Todd Haley to take the job in early February:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/06/haley.ap/

 

You are responding to posts written in January.

 

That I am..thanks for the correction :D

[dew1679666265]

I think Sanchez would stuggle running KC's offense - since it would be a huge step down in sophistication from USC's.

 

Do the chefs have a coaching staff yet?

 

No idea who the Chefs are, but the Chiefs have yet to officially terminate Herm Edwards. :wink:

 

That said, the rumors are flying that he'll go either this year or next.

 

The Chiefs fired Herm Edwards in January:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_chiefs_fire_herm_edwards.html

 

They hired Todd Haley to take the job in early February:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/06/haley.ap/

 

You are responding to posts written in January.

 

That I am..thanks for the correction :D

 

Man, you'll do anything to get a chance to correct me, eh? :wink:

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Oher Oher Oher.

 

The right OT Smith is taken at 1 and Andre Smith tumbles to 13.

 

can't believe some mocks still have jenkins going ahead of davis. that's a joke as jenkins will be drafted as a safety, which he hasn't played.

[Splendid_Splinter]

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Oher Oher Oher.

 

The right OT Smith is taken at 1 and Andre Smith tumbles to 13.

 

can't believe some mocks still have jenkins going ahead of davis. that's a joke as jenkins will be drafted as a safety, which he hasn't played.

What is so hard to believe about Malcolm Jenkins being picked ahead of Vontae Davis? Outside of straight line speed, is there anything that Davis does better than Jenkins?

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Oher Oher Oher.

 

The right OT Smith is taken at 1 and Andre Smith tumbles to 13.

 

can't believe some mocks still have jenkins going ahead of davis. that's a joke as jenkins will be drafted as a safety, which he hasn't played.

What is so hard to believe about Malcolm Jenkins being picked ahead of Vontae Davis? Outside of straight line speed, is there anything that Davis does better than Jenkins?

 

well, he's better in man coverage, he's stronger, faster, and more physical. is that enough? like i said, there's a reason jenkins is projected as a safety or a cover-2 corner and it's not because he's better than davis at many things. davis is a shut-down corner, if your team need is at cornerback, you'd be wise to take him, if your team need is safety, you could take a chance on a guy who has never played the position before, i guess.

 

"is there anything davis does better than jenkins?" haha.

[Splendid_Splinter]

well, he's better in man coverage, he's stronger, faster, and more physical. is that enough?

-Davis being better in man coverage is debatable. Part of the problem is Ohio State's defensive scheme is so zone oriented that Jenkins rarely had an opportunity to play in man coverage. The few times he did, though, he had no problems with it.

 

-I have already said that Davis is faster than Jenkins, and in retrospect I probably should have given Davis the nod in strength. For some reason I forgot that Vontae was a workout warrior.

 

-Who is more physical is again debatable. Jenkins is better at playing against the run, press coverage, and blitzing. Davis is probably the bigger hitter of the two.

davis is a shut-down corner

That's wonderful. So is Jenkins.

 

if your team need is at cornerback, you'd be wise to take him, if your team need is safety, you could take a chance on a guy who has never played the position before, i guess.

I guess that depends on what qualities teams look for in the players they draft. If a team is looking for an intelligent player that plays well consistently and shows better overall technique then Malcolm Jenkins is probably the way to go. If you want the cornerback with eye popping measureables who has yet to show them on the field then Vontae Davis is your choice.

 

Jenkins has also played free safety quite a bit while at Ohio State.

 

BTW what were the reasons that Ron Zook chose to demote Davis from time to time last season?

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I think Jenkins will be just fine as a corner - especially in a cover-2. I don't think Vontae has separated himself from Jenkins yet.

[Magnetic Curses]

well, he's better in man coverage, he's stronger, faster, and more physical. is that enough?

-Davis being better in man coverage is debatable. Part of the problem is Ohio State's defensive scheme is so zone oriented that Jenkins rarely had an opportunity to play in man coverage. The few times he did, though, he had no problems with it.

 

-I have already said that Davis is faster than Jenkins, and in retrospect I probably should have given Davis the nod in strength. For some reason I forgot that Vontae was a workout warrior.

 

-Who is more physical is again debatable. Jenkins is better at playing against the run, press coverage, and blitzing. Davis is probably the bigger hitter of the two.

davis is a shut-down corner

That's wonderful. So is Jenkins.

 

if your team need is at cornerback, you'd be wise to take him, if your team need is safety, you could take a chance on a guy who has never played the position before, i guess.

I guess that depends on what qualities teams look for in the players they draft. If a team is looking for an intelligent player that plays well consistently and shows better overall technique then Malcolm Jenkins is probably the way to go. If you want the cornerback with eye popping measureables who has yet to show them on the field then Vontae Davis is your choice.

 

Jenkins has also played free safety quite a bit while at Ohio State.

 

BTW what were the reasons that Ron Zook chose to demote Davis from time to time last season?

 

vontae davis hasn't shown anything on the field. yeah, you're right, he never did anything in college. iirc, he was a two time first team all-big ten player, just like jenkins. so, i guess he must have done more than have big muscles and run real fast. what are you takling about?

 

great players get demoted from time to time because their coaches think they can do better, which is why vontae was briefly demoted last year. it's been done before.

 

jenkins was a great college player that will have a place in the pros. he will not make his money as a cover corner in man coverage. he will not be a great professional player, vontae will, imo.

[hawkeyecub]

There are no shutdown corners anymore. Especially not Vontae Davis or Malcolm Jenkins.

[SpongeWorthy]

I thought it was fairly obvious Jenkins was a better football player during their careers. Davis is a better athlete. Jenkins has a lot better technique and more polish. I'd agree Davis has a higher ceiling though.

[Magnetic Curses]

There are no shutdown corners anymore. Especially not Vontae Davis or Malcolm Jenkins.

 

as opposed to other corners who aren't as good? that makes no sense.

[Magnetic Curses]

I thought it was fairly obvious Jenkins was a better football player during their careers. Davis is a better athlete. Jenkins has a lot better technique and more polish. I'd agree Davis has a higher ceiling though.

 

davis played without much in front of him. a good line can make a good cornerback look great. ohio state gets studs up front every single year.

[Splendid_Splinter]

vontae davis hasn't shown anything on the field. yeah, you're right, he never did anything in college. iirc, he was a two time first team all-big ten player, just like jenkins. so, i guess he must have done more than have big muscles and run real fast. what are you takling about?

I'll admit that I phrased the part about Davis not showing anything on the field incorrectly. What I meant to say is that Davis has shown flashes of the elite player that he could become in the NFL, but he had yet to do so on a consistent basis. It's the same thing that scouts were saying about Vernon Davis.

 

If we're going to bring up college accolaids lets at least get it right. Malcolm Jenkins has been selected as a First Team All-Big Ten Player for the last three years, a Second Team All-American in 2007, a First Team All-American and Jim Thorpe Winner in 2008. For Davis add Third Team All-American in 2008 and a Freshman All-American in 2006.

 

great players get demoted from time to time because their coaches think they can do better, which is why vontae was briefly demoted last year. it's been done before.

Thanks for clearing that up. I've read multiple reasons about what caused Davis to be benched, and I just wanted to get an answer from an Illinois fan paying closer attention to the situation.

 

jenkins was a great college player that will have a place in the pros. he will not make his money as a cover corner in man coverage.

With how prevalent zone coverage schemes are in the NFL Jenkins will undoubtedly find a team that can maximize his abilities. The same thing can be said for Davis and his skills in man to man coverage. Also nowhere did I say that Jenkins would make money for his ability to play man coverage. His demand will be driven by his ability to play zone coverage.

 

he will not be a great professional player, vontae will, imo

How surprising. I will say that Vontae Davis has the higher ceiling of the two, but he also has the lower floor. I guess it depends on what type of prospect each person prefers.

 

as opposed to other corners who aren't as good? that makes no sense.

Even the best cornerbacks in the NFL today would not be considered shutdown, but only elite. Shutdown corners were those that could be counted on to effectively shut down their half of the field. Examples are Deion Sanders, Herb Adderley, "Night Train" Lane, and just about every cornerback in the Hall of Fame. Due to rules that favor the offense and better athletes at wide receiver there isn't a cornerback in the game today that could shut down every opposing player. Even Champ Bailey in his prime could not help but have a bad game every now and then. In the end it really just comes down to how much you want to stretch the definition for "shutdown cornerback."

 

davis played without much in front of him. a good line can make a good cornerback look great. ohio state gets studs up front every single year.

Earlier in the thread you had no problem labelling Vontae Davis as a shutdown cornerback. Now you're saying that Jenkins only looked better because he had a better front seven than Davis? If Davis's ability to play man coverage is as great as you say it is then he shouldn't have a problem shadowing whatever wide receiver he is supposed to, regardless of how good or bad Illinois' front seven might be.

[Post Count Padder]

Looks like Andre Smith's draft stock plummeted pretty hard:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Andre-Smith-s-draft-freefall-continues?urn=nfl,147436

 

Might not get drafted on Day 1.

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[jersey cubs fan]

Get in my belly!

[SpongeWorthy]

Kiper and McShay both have the Bears taking Heyward-Bey in their latest mock.

[RedFlash]

Looks like Andre Smith's draft stock plummeted pretty hard:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Andre-Smith-s-draft-freefall-continues?urn=nfl,147436

 

Might not get drafted on Day 1.

 

This makes me and alot Bama fans very, very sad and upset. Motivated, and in shape and Andre Smith should be the first OT taken in the draft, but as we have all seen is that "Big Dre" is neither. But he made his bed, he now has to sleep in it.

[RedFlash]

Kiper and McShay both have the Bears taking Heyward-Bey in their latest mock.

 

I would like that very much.

[Splendid_Splinter]

Looks like Andre Smith's draft stock plummeted pretty hard:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Andre-Smith-s-draft-freefall-continues?urn=nfl,147436

 

Might not get drafted on Day 1.

Smith is sinking like a stone, but there is no way that I see him lasting until the Third Round. There will be some team stupid to draft him in the first two rounds simply on talent alone.

 

Pat Kirwan's New Mock

 

I will not be happy if the Packers select Andre Smith, especially if B.J. Raji and a few top defensive players are still on the board.

[Coach C]

Yeah, Smith just pissed away millions and millions of dollars away with that bombed out performance....