Sergio Mitre to get 50 game suspension

[SouthSideRyan]

BTW, if Andro is a banned substance, then technically doesn't think prove that McGwire was using PEDs when he was playing?

 

It was added to the banned list after McGwire was found with it.

 

Yeah, it wasn't illegal PED use, but he was using PEDs that are no longer allowed which contributed to his 580+ HRs. He's not guilty of illegally using them from the info we know, but his numbers can be called into question based on what he's admitted to using.

 

ex post facto?

 

Sorta, I'm not saying based on what we know is true we can admonish the guy, but in historical context we can lessen the significance of his numbers based on evidence that he used PED's that we know hold to be illegal. Sort of like how we give extra credit to those hitters that played in the 60's for lesser numbers in a pitchers era with a higher mound in use.

 

Of course there's also the dark cloud of steroids use that we can't prove yet if ever.

 

You're double counting by deducting for andro use in addition to the deduction everyone takes for him playing in a hitter's era.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sorta, I'm not saying based on what we know is true we can admonish the guy, but in historical context we can lessen the significance of his numbers based on evidence that he used PED's that we know hold to be illegal. Sort of like how we give extra credit to those hitters that played in the 60's for lesser numbers in a pitchers era with a higher mound in use.

 

Of course there's also the dark cloud of steroids use that we can't prove yet if ever.

 

People already do that. This isn't some new revalation.

[wade]

Guys, you can't make analogies with chocolate and whatnot- that stuff is under FDA scrutiny and they have to post that stuff just in case they have crap in there. GNC stuff is not regulated at all, and if you are an athlete nowadays you have to stay away, I guess.

 

I would not be surprised if GNC had stuff with ephedra (sp?), etc. in it, but the company doesn't list it because it's not legal.

 

They put that stuff in there with the crap that doesn't do diddly so it will at least work a little.

[chuckywang]

The next two, however, are problematic. At some level none of us know exactly what we put in our body. Popcorn is allowed to have so much rodent hair in it... do you know you're ingesting rodent fibers when you eat popcorn?

 

If rodent hair could cause you to lose your job, you should eat something besides popcorn.

 

That's not really an analogous situation with Romero though. What if you were had no idea popcorn could contain rodent hairs, nothing on the popcorn label says anything about rodent hairs, and even when you asked a professional, that professional tells you it doesn't contain rodent hairs? Would you be confident eating popcorn?

[Soul]

I don't understand why we always just take the guy's word for it that it was some over-the-counter GNC pill he took.

 

That's become the very.....convenient....explanation. Get caught? Blame it on GNC.

[Roast]

I don't understand why we always just take the guy's word for it that it was some over-the-counter GNC pill he took.

 

That's become the very.....convenient....explanation. Get caught? Blame it on GNC.

Well the fact that they said it was only a 'contaminant' level of the andro that they found in his blood stream sure helps his believability. At least to me.

[Roast]

Wow. Before this thread I didn't even know GNC was not regulated. Of course, I'm not a pro athlete or anything, but I had no idea that the stuff I take could have PED's in them. Sweet.

'till your berries start to shrivel.

[chuckywang]

I don't understand why we always just take the guy's word for it that it was some over-the-counter GNC pill he took.

 

That's become the very.....convenient....explanation. Get caught? Blame it on GNC.

Well the fact that they said it was only a 'contaminant' level of the andro that they found in his blood stream sure helps his believability. At least to me.

 

In Romero's case, he brought the bottle he used to his arbitration hearing. I guess you can also look at credit card records in both cases, if that is indeed how they paid for the supplement.

[jersey cubs fan]

The next two, however, are problematic. At some level none of us know exactly what we put in our body. Popcorn is allowed to have so much rodent hair in it... do you know you're ingesting rodent fibers when you eat popcorn?

 

If rodent hair could cause you to lose your job, you should eat something besides popcorn.

 

That's not really an analogous situation with Romero though. What if you were had no idea popcorn could contain rodent hairs, nothing on the popcorn label says anything about rodent hairs, and even when you asked a professional, that professional tells you it doesn't contain rodent hairs? Would you be confident eating popcorn?

 

If you are a pro athlete and have no idea that GNC products can contain stuff that is not on the label, you are an idiot.

 

Everybody with a pulse knows that. It's been reported for several years. This same story is written every month with a new player involved. Olympians, bike racers, football players, futbol players, baseball players.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand why we always just take the guy's word for it that it was some over-the-counter GNC pill he took.

 

That's become the very.....convenient....explanation. Get caught? Blame it on GNC.

Well the fact that they said it was only a 'contaminant' level of the andro that they found in his blood stream sure helps his believability. At least to me.

 

In Romero's case, he brought the bottle he used to his arbitration hearing. I guess you can also look at credit card records in both cases, if that is indeed how they paid for the supplement.

 

How does bringing the bottle he used prove that's all he used?

[chuckywang]

I don't understand why we always just take the guy's word for it that it was some over-the-counter GNC pill he took.

 

That's become the very.....convenient....explanation. Get caught? Blame it on GNC.

Well the fact that they said it was only a 'contaminant' level of the andro that they found in his blood stream sure helps his believability. At least to me.

 

In Romero's case, he brought the bottle he used to his arbitration hearing. I guess you can also look at credit card records in both cases, if that is indeed how they paid for the supplement.

 

How does bringing the bottle he used prove that's all he used?

 

If he only had a contaminant level of andro in his blood, and he can prove that he bought a supplement that was contaminated by andro, it's a pretty safe bet that's all he used.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you are a pro athlete and have no idea that GNC products can contain stuff that is not on the label, you are an idiot.

 

Everybody with a pulse knows that. It's been reported for several years. This same story is written every month with a new player involved. Olympians, bike racers, football players, futbol players, baseball players.

 

Donovan McNabb didn't know that NFL games can end in ties. These guys aren't selected for their intelligence.