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[BroLight]

MAYBE if they "threw in" GEOVANY SOTO and picked up like 60% of Soriano's contract, Boston would consider it.

 

I see why you are having such a tough time grasping this. YOU are the one that's NUTS!

 

It is BOSTON that is desperate, not the Cubs! The Cubs would be dealing from a position of strength, and regardless wouldn't be putting Soto or any regular, other than Soriano, in such a package.

 

Most teams wouldn't be willing to give up such an offensive threat, and that makes a deal for Soriano even more attractive.

 

Remember, I didn't say this was GOING to happen, only that it might. But if the Red Sox were indeed willing to see Beltran as a real offensive threat, how much more valuable would Soriano be to them?

 

Dude, you really need to stop. There is NO way the Red Sox would be dumb enough to take on Soriano. NONE. You keep talking about Beltran, but you're leaving out that he doesn't have the awful contract Soriano does. You're also leaving out that he's more valuable due to playing center.

 

Seriously, stop comparing Soriano and Beltran. They are completely different situations.

 

No, It is EXACTLY the same situation, as far as Boston is concerned. Right now they are ONLY concerned with their faltering OFFENSE and the questions surrounding Papi & Lowell. They are looking for a stud offensive player, and they will sort out who plays where and when after they see who is likely going to be able to play opening day.

 

I like Beltran, but his swing would be ruined in Boston while Soriano's is practically made for Boston. Besides, Soriano would benefit more than Beltran with some games as a DH. The only advantage Beltran really offered was being a switch hitter, but his splits show a pretty big drop off from the Left side. It is a moot point anyway...the Mets said, NO!

 

As I said to someone else, Boston is GOING to obtain a stud offensive player, and they will overpay to get him. Money has seldom been as issue there. Their bigger problem at the moment is a potential roster problem, if they add without subtracting. The only question is who?

[Monco]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

[dew1679666265]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

It's a little bit who we're replacing him with (Miles) and a little bit what we got for him (very high risk, very young pitchers).

 

I was fine trading him, but I thought we could get more for him by selling high. And then we use half his salary to sign a guy who would be decent as a strict bench player.

[BroLight]

MAYBE if they "threw in" GEOVANY SOTO and picked up like 60% of Soriano's contract, Boston would consider it.

 

I see why you are having such a tough time grasping this. YOU are the one that's NUTS!

 

It is BOSTON that is desperate, not the Cubs! The Cubs would be dealing from a position of strength, and regardless wouldn't be putting Soto or any regular, other than Soriano, in such a package.

 

Most teams wouldn't be willing to give up such an offensive threat, and that makes a deal for Soriano even more attractive.

 

Remember, I didn't say this was GOING to happen, only that it might. But if the Red Sox were indeed willing to see Beltran as a real offensive threat, how much more valuable would Soriano be to them?

 

I hate to break it to you, but Beltran is better than Soriano in every facet of the game. Even though you can argue that their offensive production is a wash, Beltran is still better at the plate simply because he has the ability to draw a walk. He's drawn 90+ walks 2 of the last 3 years. Outside of that you can argue their offensive ability is similar. They put up similar power numbers and batting averages but that's about where the equality stops.

 

- Beltran is a far superior baserunner

- A far superior defender

- He is younger (albeit only a year younger)

- He is signed to a more favorable contract

- He only has 3 more years left on said contract when he'll be 34 at the end of it, whereas Soriano will be 38 at the end of his

 

Not to mention Beltran's offensive production in CF > than Soriano's production out of LF.

 

Their "offense was a wash" with Beltran playing in NY & Sori in Chicago....but move both to Boston and Sori benefits by far more than Beltran from the wall. Besides, Beltran is not capable of carrying the team, or replacing the lost offense of either Lowell or Papi, if one or both can't play.

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But again, you act as if Beltran is still a Boston choice, he isn't. The Mutts will not trade him. As I said before, MOST teams will not give up offensive studs, Boston's choices will be severely limited by availability, and even with his "no-trade" claus, Soriano is AVAILABLE!

[BroLight]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

[bcl412]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

[Tryptamine]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

This is going to get really ugly.

[BroLight]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

It's a little bit who we're replacing him with (Miles) and a little bit what we got for him (very high risk, very young pitchers).

 

I was fine trading him, but I thought we could get more for him by selling high. And then we use half his salary to sign a guy who would be decent as a strict bench player.

 

These days if you are trading salary, you seldom get high value prospects, because everyone is trying to conserve cash and protect their young players.

 

That being said, however, there is little to no risk with the younger class A pitchers. In fact they look to have great upside potential. As for Stevens, who may be as ready for the Bigs as he is going to be, he will be going to San Diego in the Peavy deal...no risk there, either!

[wrigley23]

Theo is one of those Billy Beane guys in that he puts a premium on OBP & plate discipline...neither of which Soriano has any clue of. I doubt very much they have the least bit of interest in him. He is also paid way over his value. Settle in folks, as bad as his salary looks now, wait for another 2-3 yrs when there are 3-4 left. This will make Sammy's salary his last couple of yrs look like chump change.

[bcl412]

Theo is one of those Billy Beane guys in that he puts a premium on OBP & plate discipline...neither of which Soriano has any clue of. I doubt very much they have the least bit of interest in him. He is also paid way over his value. Settle in folks, as bad as his salary looks now, wait for another 2-3 yrs when there are 3-4 left. This will make Sammy's salary his last couple of yrs look like chump change.

 

YESSSSS!!!!!!

[BroLight]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

I know that was my issue. Trading DeRosa to sign Bradley is a hmmmmmmm moment, but trading DeRosa to open a spot for Aaron Miles doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

You guys need to back off a little so you can get a little broader perspective! Hendry's moves are not black and white. They are more like pieces to the giant jig saw puzzle that he sees coming together for next season.

 

DeRo wasn't traded to open a spot for anybody. He was traded so he would be happy in the end, and Hendry would be more flexible in acquiring pieces that fit!

[USSoccer]

This is like a critical thinking class gone horribly wrong.

[BroLight]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

[bcl412]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

I know that was my issue. Trading DeRosa to sign Bradley is a hmmmmmmm moment, but trading DeRosa to open a spot for Aaron Miles doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

You guys need to back off a little so you can get a little broader perspective! Hendry's moves are not black and white. They are more like pieces to the giant jig saw puzzle that he sees coming together for next season.

 

DeRo wasn't traded to open a spot for anybody. He was traded so he would be happy in the end, and Hendry would be more flexible in acquiring pieces that fit!

 

I really hope you're wrong. Trading a productive player for a not so prodective player to make the productive player happy is kind of stupid.

[USSoccer]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

[manbearcub]

OPS is a product of batting order guys. Runs + RBI is where its at.

[bcl412]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

 

And hasn't he been a bench player most of his career? Why would he pout about being a bench player.

[TruffleShuffle]

inside tip on OPS guys, it's a product of ability to get on base and ability to hit the ball with power.

[BroLight]

Theo is one of those Billy Beane guys in that he puts a premium on OBP & plate discipline...neither of which Soriano has any clue of. I doubt very much they have the least bit of interest in him. He is also paid way over his value. Settle in folks, as bad as his salary looks now, wait for another 2-3 yrs when there are 3-4 left. This will make Sammy's salary his last couple of yrs look like chump change.

 

YESSSSS!!!!!!

 

I agree on all points, but Theo isn't very happy, as little has changed since he came back. Their front office is still a jealous, backbiting mess along with meddling ownership. It wasn't Theo that messed up the Texiera negotiations! The point is that Boston OWNERSHIP wants insurance in the form of a power packed offensive player and there are FEW to ONE of those available.

 

"Go Packers" ???? Why not just go Kampman and Cole, and Go Bears?

 

Another Hawk fan suffering from DFS!

[bcl412]

Theo is one of those Billy Beane guys in that he puts a premium on OBP & plate discipline...neither of which Soriano has any clue of. I doubt very much they have the least bit of interest in him. He is also paid way over his value. Settle in folks, as bad as his salary looks now, wait for another 2-3 yrs when there are 3-4 left. This will make Sammy's salary his last couple of yrs look like chump change.

 

YESSSSS!!!!!!

 

I agree on all points, but Theo isn't very happy, as little has changed since he came back. Their front office is still a jealous, backbiting mess along with meddling ownership. It wasn't Theo that messed up the Texiera negotiations! The point is that Boston OWNERSHIP wants insurance in the form of a power packed offensive player and there are FEW to ONE of those available.

 

"Go Packers" ???? Why not just go Kampman and Cole, and Go Bears?

 

Another Hawk fan suffering from DFS!

 

DFS?

[BroLight]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

I know that was my issue. Trading DeRosa to sign Bradley is a hmmmmmmm moment, but trading DeRosa to open a spot for Aaron Miles doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

You guys need to back off a little so you can get a little broader perspective! Hendry's moves are not black and white. They are more like pieces to the giant jig saw puzzle that he sees coming together for next season.

 

DeRo wasn't traded to open a spot for anybody. He was traded so he would be happy in the end, and Hendry would be more flexible in acquiring pieces that fit!

 

I really hope you're wrong. Trading a productive player for a not so prodective player to make the productive player happy is kind of stupid.

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

[dew1679666265]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

It's a little bit who we're replacing him with (Miles) and a little bit what we got for him (very high risk, very young pitchers).

 

I was fine trading him, but I thought we could get more for him by selling high. And then we use half his salary to sign a guy who would be decent as a strict bench player.

 

These days if you are trading salary, you seldom get high value prospects, because everyone is trying to conserve cash and protect their young players.

 

So if we couldn't get good value, we weren't selling high, so we shouldn't have traded him. We made RF a little better (allowing the signing of Bradley) and made second base much worse with the trade.

 

Unless we get Peavy (which you're assuming and I'm not ready to yet), this was a horrible trade.

 

That being said, however, there is little to no risk with the younger class A pitchers. In fact they look to have great upside potential. As for Stevens, who may be as ready for the Bigs as he is going to be, he will be going to San Diego in the Peavy deal...no risk there, either!

 

The risk is in them developing. If they don't, we traded DeRo for nothing. And there's a pretty good chance, given their skill sets, that they don't develop.

 

I've said it numerous times before, if the trade ultimately nets us Peavy, I'll feel a whole lot better about it. If it doesn't, it was terrible.

[imb]

what is this [expletive]

[USSoccer]

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

 

 

Since when was Mark DeRosa not going to get 500 PA's? What the hell are you talking about?

[salukifudd]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

I know that was my issue. Trading DeRosa to sign Bradley is a hmmmmmmm moment, but trading DeRosa to open a spot for Aaron Miles doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

You guys need to back off a little so you can get a little broader perspective! Hendry's moves are not black and white. They are more like pieces to the giant jig saw puzzle that he sees coming together for next season.

 

DeRo wasn't traded to open a spot for anybody. He was traded so he would be happy in the end, and Hendry would be more flexible in acquiring pieces that fit!

 

I really hope you're wrong. Trading a productive player for a not so prodective player to make the productive player happy is kind of stupid.

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

 

Why would DeRo be sitting on the bench if he was on the Cubs next season?

 

Nice fake account posting, btw.