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[BroLight]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

 

The biggest JOKE in this thread is YOU! Unless DeRo learned to switch hit, he wasn't going to see PT unless someone was Injured. Cubs have already stated they want MORE PT for Fontenot, not less, and are seeking LH or S hitters to fill OF slots. If he stayed he would have been fortunate to get 200 ABs! That's what Hendry knew and you obviously don't...but then there have never been people so blind as those that refuse to see!

[USSoccer]

 

The biggest JOKE in this thread is YOU! Unless DeRo learned to switch hit, he wasn't going to see PT unless someone was Injured. Cubs have already stated they want MORE PT for Fontenot, not less, and are seeking LH or S hitters to fill OF slots. If he stayed he would have been fortunate to get 200 ABs! That's what Hendry knew and you obviously don't...but then there have never been people so blind as those that refuse to see!

 

Oh, now you've gone and done it.

 

If you seriously think that DeRosa was going to get less than 200 AB's you're out of your mind. That's 8 AB's per week, roughly. On a team which is probably going to have Milton Bradley in LF. On a team with a RF who has missed time in each of his first 2 seasons. On a team that has an All Star 3B who needs rest from time to time.

 

Not to mention he'd certainly be the starting 2B against LHP. Which probably on its own gets him to 200 AB.

 

You're horrible. Horrible. Please, please bring some facts to the argument so I can tear you apart.

[E.J.]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

 

The biggest JOKE in this thread is YOU! Unless DeRo learned to switch hit, he wasn't going to see PT unless someone was Injured. Cubs have already stated they want MORE PT for Fontenot, not less, and are seeking LH or S hitters to fill OF slots. If he stayed he would have been fortunate to get 200 ABs! That's what Hendry knew and you obviously don't...but then there have never been people so blind as those that refuse to see!

 

Don't attack other posters. Otherwise, your time here will be short.

[USSoccer]

No no, EJ, let this go.

 

I've got this.

[BroLight]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

 

And hasn't he been a bench player most of his career? Why would he pout about being a bench player.

 

I shouldn't have to explain this, but for you, I will:

 

He was just another bench player until he had his breakout season in Texas. Then he became a supersub. After getting his heart surgery out of the way last Spring, he had a phenomenal year for a super sub in the Fall of his career, and has limited years left for production. With the Cubs bent on getting many more LH ABs this year, after 3 consecutive seasons with 500+ ABs his projected personal ABs would likely fall to less than half that level, unless someone was injured for a long period.

 

The projection for his ABs would have been drastically cut, because the Cubs want a LH hitting 2nd baseman and RF as often as possible, and have a S hitting OF (Bradley) coming to fill RF which would further reduce the opportunities to platoon. The Cubs also had better OFrs available for late inning replacements for Bradley and Soriano. At best he was going to get ABs as a platoon 2b agaist LH starters, and a few games to rest Ramirez!

 

Moving him on, which was in both his and the team's best interests opened a slot for a more traditional bench player. The Cubs were just lucky that the Cards bungled handling Miles and making him available.

 

Now do you understand????

[BroLight]

Theo is one of those Billy Beane guys in that he puts a premium on OBP & plate discipline...neither of which Soriano has any clue of. I doubt very much they have the least bit of interest in him. He is also paid way over his value. Settle in folks, as bad as his salary looks now, wait for another 2-3 yrs when there are 3-4 left. This will make Sammy's salary his last couple of yrs look like chump change.

 

YESSSSS!!!!!!

 

I agree on all points, but Theo isn't very happy, as little has changed since he came back. Their front office is still a jealous, backbiting mess along with meddling ownership. It wasn't Theo that messed up the Texiera negotiations! The point is that Boston OWNERSHIP wants insurance in the form of a power packed offensive player and there are FEW to ONE of those available.

 

"Go Packers" ???? Why not just go Kampman and Cole, and Go Bears?

 

Another Hawk fan suffering from DFS!

 

DFS?

 

Apparently, you haven't seen the TV ad for DirecTV by the Mannings (father and sons)...DFS is Displaced Fan Syndrome!!!

[Moises a loo]

MAYBE if they "threw in" GEOVANY SOTO and picked up like 60% of Soriano's contract, Boston would consider it.

 

I see why you are having such a tough time grasping this. YOU are the one that's NUTS!

 

It is BOSTON that is desperate, not the Cubs! The Cubs would be dealing from a position of strength, and regardless wouldn't be putting Soto or any regular, other than Soriano, in such a package.

 

Most teams wouldn't be willing to give up such an offensive threat, and that makes a deal for Soriano even more attractive.

 

Remember, I didn't say this was GOING to happen, only that it might. But if the Red Sox were indeed willing to see Beltran as a real offensive threat, how much more valuable would Soriano be to them?

Are you Alfonso Soriano's mom or something?

 

No, the old timers on this board know who I am, but for your info, I am someone that reads a lot of "lines", and because of my pedigree in the game, I know what needs to be done, and how to get it done. I am also able to read between those "lines", and keep my ears open. Although my contacts in the game are diminishing due to age and health issues, I still have a few of those, too.

 

I'd love to believe you have a clue what you're talking about. Most people here would love to believe Soriano has positive trade value. But most people here live in reality, where it's clear that Soriano's contract was atrocious even when they thought he could stay healthy and play center field. Now that we know he can't do either of those things, the Cubs are stuck paying a superstar salary to a pretty good but declining player who is already more trouble than he's worth.

[BroLight]

inside tip on OPS guys, it's a product of ability to get on base and ability to hit the ball with power.

 

Technically it is the product of OBP & Slugging Pct. But BOTH are greatly influenced by the opportunites afforded through the BATTING ORDER!

[USSoccer]

Holy God.

 

Milton Bradley isn't going to go 162 games without getting hurt.

 

Mike Fontenot isn't going to hold up against LHP all season, and even if he does, we're still going to face plenty of LHP within the division to provide even a straight platoon with AB's.

 

Alfonso Soriano isn't going to go 162 games without being hurt.

 

The only person who thinks Aaron Miles is better than DeRosa is Aaron Miles' mom. He's worse than Neifi Perez in some respects. We didn't luck into anything there.

 

You're "projection" is pure, unadulterated bullplop. Even if everything broke the way you said and he'd be a platoon 2B against LHP and an occasional spot starter in LF, he'd still come close to 400 PA's.

 

Again, you are completely out of your mind. You're living in a delusional fairly world. You see unicorns leaping majestically over waterfalls. And this doesn't even address the whole "Mark DeRosa would turn into baseball's Stephon Marbury" thing, which is so out of this world you'd have more credibility if you said that Mark Prior would win 15 games next season.

 

There is no baseball universe that anything you're saying makes any kind of sense.

 

I'll ask again-do you have any actual facts to back any of this up? Numbers, projections, anything?

[USSoccer]

inside tip on OPS guys, it's a product of ability to get on base and ability to hit the ball with power.

 

Technically it is the product of OBP & Slugging Pct. But BOTH are greatly influenced by the opportunites afforded through the BATTING ORDER!

 

"Technically" it's the product of OBP and SLG because that's what it is.

 

Neither are influenced much by the batting order because they are hitter dependent.

 

But hey, you used to be on Cubs.com and you are old and have old timey contacts, who I'm sure know all about OPS.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Look what Hendry has wrought!

[salukifudd]

Holy God.

 

Milton Bradley isn't going to go 162 games without getting hurt.

 

Mike Fontenot isn't going to hold up against LHP all season, and even if he does, we're still going to face plenty of LHP within the division to provide even a straight platoon with AB's.

 

Alfonso Soriano isn't going to go 162 games without being hurt.

 

The only person who thinks Aaron Miles is better than DeRosa is Aaron Miles' mom. He's worse than Neifi Perez in some respects. We didn't luck into anything there.

 

You're "projection" is pure, unadulterated bullplop. Even if everything broke the way you said and he'd be a platoon 2B against LHP and an occasional spot starter in LF, he'd still come close to 400 PA's.

 

Again, you are completely out of your mind. You're living in a delusional fairly world. You see unicorns leaping majestically over waterfalls. And this doesn't even address the whole "Mark DeRosa would turn into baseball's Stephon Marbury" thing, which is so out of this world you'd have more credibility if you said that Mark Prior would win 15 games next season.

 

There is no baseball universe that anything you're saying makes any kind of sense.

 

I'll ask again-do you have any actual facts to back any of this up? Numbers, projections, anything?

 

browned?

[BroLight]

What's next: An 85 win season and staying competitive within the division.

 

I think the economy and the ownership situation is affecting Hendry's ability to deal. I'm all for selling high on DeRosa, but it seems to me that trading him so they could get Bradley is real, real, bad idea (if that is what really happened).

 

Sorry, I missed your post, first time through....

 

There is WAY TOO much whining about DeRosa! Did I like him? YES, very much. Will the Cubs miss him? At times, probably. But with the Cubs determined to balance the lineup he would have diminished playing time and would have been very unhappy. He was a great fit for either the Twins or Indians, and he was paid too much to sit on the bench, when, unlike Fukudome, he could be profitably traded, and MOST of his usefulness could be replaced by a switch hitter who is much cheaper and two years younger.

 

I thought most of the DeRosa complaining was because of who we replaced him with (Miles) not because of losing DeRo himself.

 

It's a little bit who we're replacing him with (Miles) and a little bit what we got for him (very high risk, very young pitchers).

 

I was fine trading him, but I thought we could get more for him by selling high. And then we use half his salary to sign a guy who would be decent as a strict bench player.

 

These days if you are trading salary, you seldom get high value prospects, because everyone is trying to conserve cash and protect their young players.

 

So if we couldn't get good value, we weren't selling high, so we shouldn't have traded him. We made RF a little better (allowing the signing of Bradley) and made second base much worse with the trade.

 

Unless we get Peavy (which you're assuming and I'm not ready to yet), this was a horrible trade.

 

That being said, however, there is little to no risk with the younger class A pitchers. In fact they look to have great upside potential. As for Stevens, who may be as ready for the Bigs as he is going to be, he will be going to San Diego in the Peavy deal...no risk there, either!

 

The risk is in them developing. If they don't, we traded DeRo for nothing. And there's a pretty good chance, given their skill sets, that they don't develop.

 

I've said it numerous times before, if the trade ultimately nets us Peavy, I'll feel a whole lot better about it. If it doesn't, it was terrible.

 

1) The young pitchers are EXACTLY what you look for in YOUNG pitchers....good stuff exhibited by Ks. These two are no different than most young pitchers in that they need experience to develop the ability to learn to pitch and not throw, and to develop consistent control of their stuff.

 

2) When you trade, you can NOT "have your cake and eat it, too". The Cubs got a $3.3M payroll reduction (after Miles), 2 kids that will help restock the system with pitching, a piece for the Peavy trade, and equal if not better fielding at 2b. DeRo definitely began to show some cracks in his D at 2b last year, and has lost a step, too. That makes him ideal for the switch to 3b, but NOT with the Cubs! In a year or two, when his days as anything close to a regular are finished, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him back with the Cubs. He is "good people" and they are always welcome!

 

As far as "risk" is concerned, this is about as risk-free of a deal as is possible! That applies even if both kids don't develop, because that is a risk that is inherent in the system, not tied particularly to this or any trade! Besides that, when it comes to flexibility cash in hand is best! You can only "spend" players in some locations, you can spend cash anywhere!

[USSoccer]

Wait wait wait...if he's "good people" why is he sitting on the bench pouting because he's only getting 200 ABs?

 

Also, Aaron Miles is a bad defender.

[BroLight]

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

 

 

Since when was Mark DeRosa not going to get 500 PA's? What the hell are you talking about?

 

Are you really that DENSE? There are only so many ABs in a season. Roughly 600 at the top two slots in the batting order and diminishing as you traverse down the lineup to closer to 500 in the 8th slot. With regular everyday players at 1b, SS, 3b & LF, along with his inability to catch, play SS or CF, at best he was going to see some PT in RF and 2b plus a few ABs at 3b (maybe) to rest Ramirez. But THIS season with a switch hitter coming in to play RF there would be far less platoon ABs for DeRo or anyone else. The Cubs are putting a premium on LEFT HANDED ABs this year, and have already stated, MANY TIMES, that this is a priority that will mainly be seen in LH ABs at 2b & RF.

 

DeRo would not even get late inning replacement ABs in the outfield with better outfielders like Johnson & Gathright on the bench, except for temporary short term assignments in double switches. He would have had more ABs as a PH than anything else, and you can't do that more than ONCE PER GAME!

 

When you add up the possibilities, at best DeRo would have gotten about 200 to 225 ABs in the coming season, at a time in his career when he needed to be playing every day to get the most from the waning days of his career!

 

THAT is what I am talking about...a point that nearly everyone on this board got except YOU!

 

Now if you can't figure it out from there, come back when you grow up, or when you know enough about the game, to enter in without wasting our time!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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[USSoccer]

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

 

 

Since when was Mark DeRosa not going to get 500 PA's? What the hell are you talking about?

 

Are you really that DENSE? There are only so many ABs in a season. Roughly 600 at the top two slots in the batting order and diminishing as you traverse down the lineup to closer to 500 in the 8th slot. With regular everyday players at 1b, SS, 3b & LF, along with his inability to catch, play SS or CF, at best he was going to see some PT in RF and 2b plus a few ABs at 3b (maybe) to rest Ramirez. But THIS season with a switch hitter coming in to play RF there would be far less platoon ABs for DeRo or anyone else. The Cubs are putting a premium on LEFT HANDED ABs this year, and have already stated, MANY TIMES, that this is a priority that will mainly be seen in LH ABs at 2b & RF.

 

DeRo would not even get late inning replacement ABs in the outfield with better outfielders like Johnson & Gathright on the bench, except for temporary short term assignments in double switches. He would have had more ABs as a PH than anything else, and you can't do that more than ONCE PER GAME!

 

When you add up the possibilities, at best DeRo would have gotten about 200 to 225 ABs in the coming season, at a time in his career when he needed to be playing every day to get the most from the waning days of his career!

 

THAT is what I am talking about...a point that nearly everyone on this board got except YOU!

 

Now if you can't figure it out from there, come back when you grow up, or when you know enough about the game, to enter in without wasting our time!

 

 

You are seriously the worst debater here-and that's saying something. This is bordering on embarrassing.

 

Mark DeRosa had 505 AB's last season. He played 95 games at 2B, 38 in RF and 27 in LF. 22 at 3B.

 

Discounting his 2005 season, he hasn't had fewer than 250 AB's since 2002.

 

Even if you cut his role on the team by 50% (which would be staggering and unlikely) he'd still get 250+ AB's. And again, you're overlooking the fact that Milton Bradley would be the everyday RF. Milton Bradley is brittle.

 

So, to sum it up, you've said DeRosa would pout, yet said he's "good people". You've said he wouldn't get more than 200 AB's, yet you overlook the near certainty that we're going to need a decent RF for 60+ games, and a decent 2B for probably equal that number. You've not backed up anything at all you've said, nor have you addressed any counter points with anything except standard old-timey crap like "grow up" and "come back when you understand the game" or whatever.

 

Are you going to make any valid points in response, maybe backed up by fact or reasonable hypothesis, or are you just going to thrash about saying a whole lot of nothing?

Edited January 5, 2009 by USSoccer

[Sosa21MVP]

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[bcl412]

 

Get a little broader perspective! How "productive" was DeRo going to be sitting on the bench pouting about his lack of PT at this juncture of his career. The Cubs needed a "bench" player and Hendry usually tries to look out for the best interests of his players when he can, that's why they like playing for him, and why Free agents like Bradley and Dunn have pre-picked the Cubs as their target team and are patiently waiting to see if there is any chance.

 

 

Since when was Mark DeRosa not going to get 500 PA's? What the hell are you talking about?

 

Are you really that DENSE? There are only so many ABs in a season. Roughly 600 at the top two slots in the batting order and diminishing as you traverse down the lineup to closer to 500 in the 8th slot. With regular everyday players at 1b, SS, 3b & LF, along with his inability to catch, play SS or CF, at best he was going to see some PT in RF and 2b plus a few ABs at 3b (maybe) to rest Ramirez. But THIS season with a switch hitter coming in to play RF there would be far less platoon ABs for DeRo or anyone else. The Cubs are putting a premium on LEFT HANDED ABs this year, and have already stated, MANY TIMES, that this is a priority that will mainly be seen in LH ABs at 2b & RF.

 

DeRo would not even get late inning replacement ABs in the outfield with better outfielders like Johnson & Gathright on the bench, except for temporary short term assignments in double switches. He would have had more ABs as a PH than anything else, and you can't do that more than ONCE PER GAME!

 

When you add up the possibilities, at best DeRo would have gotten about 200 to 225 ABs in the coming season, at a time in his career when he needed to be playing every day to get the most from the waning days of his career!

 

THAT is what I am talking about...a point that nearly everyone on this board got except YOU!

 

Now if you can't figure it out from there, come back when you grow up, or when you know enough about the game, to enter in without wasting our time!

 

 

You are seriously the worst debater here-and that's saying something. This is bordering on embarrassing.

 

Mark DeRosa had 505 AB's last season. He played 95 games at 2B, 38 in RF and 27 in LF. 22 at 3B.

 

Discounting his 2005 season, he hasn't had fewer than 250 AB's since 2002.

 

Even if you cut his role on the team by 50% (which would be staggering and unlikely) he'd still get 250+ AB's. And again, you're overlooking the fact that Milton Bradley would be the everyday RF. Milton Bradley is brittle.

 

Are you going to make any valid points in response, maybe backed up by fact or reasonable hypothesis, or are you just going to thrash about saying a whole lot of nothing?

 

At this point with no further trades taking place trading DeRosa was stupid. Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot are not going to replace DeRosa in a productive way in any way shape or form.

[BroLight]

 

The biggest JOKE in this thread is YOU! Unless DeRo learned to switch hit, he wasn't going to see PT unless someone was Injured. Cubs have already stated they want MORE PT for Fontenot, not less, and are seeking LH or S hitters to fill OF slots. If he stayed he would have been fortunate to get 200 ABs! That's what Hendry knew and you obviously don't...but then there have never been people so blind as those that refuse to see!

 

Oh, now you've gone and done it.

 

If you seriously think that DeRosa was going to get less than 200 AB's you're out of your mind. That's 8 AB's per week, roughly. On a team which is probably going to have Milton Bradley in LF. On a team with a RF who has missed time in each of his first 2 seasons. On a team that has an All Star 3B who needs rest from time to time.

 

Not to mention he'd certainly be the starting 2B against LHP. Which probably on its own gets him to 200 AB.

 

You're horrible. Horrible. Please, please bring some facts to the argument so I can tear you apart.

 

FACTS? Is that what you want? FACTS? Here are a few for you to absorb.....

 

FACT ONE: anyone that thinks 1/3 of the starting pitchers are LH, wouldn't know a FACT if it walked up to him and slapped him in the face! That is what it would take to get 200 ABs from facing LH starters!

 

FACT TWO: You don't know who plays for the Cubs! SORIANO holds down LF unless traded...BRADLEY will play RF

 

FACT THREE: ...AND as a SWITCH hitter Bradley will play about every day. With better OFrs available when Bradley needs a rest, DeRo would be fortunate to get 10 starts in RF and that would be about 50 plate appearances appearances. Unless injured, Ramirez isn't going to give up one game per week. He would be lucky to get 6 games there all year long...another 25 plate appearances. Even if he did platoon at 2b, he would start in about 22% of the games because that's approximately how many LH starters there are in the NL...thats maybe another 135 plate appearances. That leaves about 110 games in which he MIGHT appear as a PH, PR, late inning replacement with NO plate appearances. Normally, that would mean about 60 to 70 plate appearances. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking the 70...it only adds up to 280 plate appearances!

 

FACT FOUR: I was talking ABs NOT plate appearances (or don't you know the difference), with his walks, sacrifices and HBPs totaling 100 (he had 116 last year) deducted from the plate appearances he would net out about a whopping total of 180 ABs for the YEAR.

 

He would NOT be happy with that, I wouldn't either!

 

Those are the FACTS! If you can't figure it out, NOW, come back when you can!~

[BroLight]

Miles is a definite downgrade and the return suggests the trade was a salary dump.

 

I'd bet that with insight like your's, you can't see beyond the end of your nose!

 

DeRosa, barring injury, would have had GREATLY diminished PT and would have been UNHAPPY if he stayed. The Cubs are going to balance the lineup with more lefty hitting, PERIOD!

 

Hendry has BIG IDEAS, but is at least temporarily, restricted to a $145M budget, and he wants to save $5-7M of that for July, in case he needs it. So of course he is going to "dump" salaries where he can get the same or better for less. So far he has done a GREAT job of moving the money around, to get what he wants.

 

Miles is NO downgrade! His only negative in comparison with DeRosa is power. They are the same type player and personalities, Miles hits a little better for average, and would be more effective in the 1, 2 or 8 spots in the lineup, is a SWITCH hitter and plugs the same holes for less money, which means Hendry has about $3.3M more to use in trying to fulfill those BIG ideas!

 

Miles best OPS is .753. DeRosa has surpassed that in every year but one. DeRosa is a much, much better player then Miles.

 

OPS is a product of power and batting order. They hardly ever would be used in the same slots in the lineup. Ask yourself this question: Just how much "better player than Miles" would he be sitting on the bench, pouting about his PT and getting 200 or so ABs?

 

If you're referring to DeRosa, he'd probably play everyday on this team as the starting 2B and fill in RF/LF/3B.

 

Seriously, this is awful. This has to be a joke account.

 

The biggest JOKE in this thread is YOU! Unless DeRo learned to switch hit, he wasn't going to see PT unless someone was Injured. Cubs have already stated they want MORE PT for Fontenot, not less, and are seeking LH or S hitters to fill OF slots. If he stayed he would have been fortunate to get 200 ABs! That's what Hendry knew and you obviously don't...but then there have never been people so blind as those that refuse to see!

 

Don't attack other posters. Otherwise, your time here will be short.

I "attack" no one...just defending myself and common baseball sense against those attacking me and having none! At least none exhibited.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wait wait wait...if he's "good people" why is he sitting on the bench pouting because he's only getting 200 ABs?

 

Also, Aaron Miles is a bad defender.

 

BROADEN YOUR PERSPECTIVE DAMMIT

[bcl412]

Wait wait wait...if he's "good people" why is he sitting on the bench pouting because he's only getting 200 ABs?

 

Also, Aaron Miles is a bad defender.

 

BROADEN YOUR PERSPECTIVE DAMMIT

 

It's a jigsaw puzzle. You just have to put the pieces together. Or something like that...I really stupid and have no baseball sense so what do I know.

[SouthSideRyan]

FACT FOUR: I was talking ABs NOT plate appearances (or don't you know the difference), with his walks, sacrifices and HBPs totaling 100 (he had 116 last year) deducted from the plate appearances he would net out about a whopping total of 180 ABs for the YEAR.

 

I too think DeRosa will have more walks, sacs, and HBPs over 280 PAs than he did over ~600 PAs. Probably why he's sulking so much on the bench cause he keeps getting beaned and being forced to sacrifice.

[javy knows my name]

I think those who have refused to hear any new perspective on baseball that doesn't jibe with what they learned 30 years ago need to grow down, or something