2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[dew1679666265]

Possible? Yes. But I don't think it's safe to assume that.

 

Now, I didn't see the blurb that said Shaffer would compete with him. If that's the case, then I would tend to think they have. As long as they are starting him, though, I think that's a sign they still like him.

 

Or a sign they don't have many good options on the line to begin with.

 

Again, I'm not saying they have clearly given up on Williams or anything. But if they are actually pursuing Pace to start at LT, it would seem pretty clear to me that they've soured on Williams, considering they had penciled him in as the starting LT.

 

Without more info, I just don't think that's a safe assumption. If Pace is more comfortable at LT or if they feel Williams would make the transition over to RT a little more easily, neither of those situations would mean they have soured on Williams.

 

Again, it's all just speculation until more info comes out.

[kujay]

My head hurts...

 

So I go out to get lunch and I have The Score on. Murph's show (I know, I know)... and he is taking calls and texts about "Should the Bears offer all 7 tradable picks to Denver for Cutler?" Calls are coming in not only saying "yes", but they should throw in Orton and Denver's choice of Urlacher/T.Harris to "stand out amongst other bidding teams".

 

:banghead:

 

Haha. Yeah.

 

Think of it this way, it illustrates how QB-starved this town really is.

 

The MOST I would offer is two first rd picks, because essentially the Bears would be giving up is two middle of the first rd picks for Cutler (especially if the Bears make the playoffs next yr with Cutler if acquired). Remember first rd picks are expendable, IMO, because of the Bears failure to do much with their pick.

 

I would go 2 1st, Orton, and either another player or a 3rd or 4th round pick. This isn't like trading your draft for Ricky Williams. A franchise QB has far more value than a stud RB. A franchise QB can lead to 10+ years of contention, and justify throwing away a couple picks. If you asked me if I would be willing to trade. If I had the opportunity to trade every pick taken in the Bears 2005 draft for Cutler, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Would the team be worse if they traded every pick from 2007 for Cutler?

 

I haven't looked very hard, but nothing I've seen since the Broncos said Cutler would be traded has said the Bears were a possible destination. If there is no effort made, that would piss me off to no end.

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't looked very hard, but nothing I've seen since the Broncos said Cutler would be traded has said the Bears were a possible destination. If there is no effort made, that would piss me off to no end.

 

There's been enough written saying the Bears are interested for me to feel comfortable saying they are most likely interested.

[dew1679666265]

I haven't looked very hard, but nothing I've seen since the Broncos said Cutler would be traded has said the Bears were a possible destination. If there is no effort made, that would piss me off to no end.

 

Yahoo! Sports reported last week that the Bears called the Broncos expressing interest in Cutler should Denver decide to deal him.

Link

 

That's just one link, but I've seen others that I don't remember now where they were.

[SpongeWorthy]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

[Banedon]

Dang...this thread is outta control. I've got a busy day at work, don't look for a couple hours, and we got 2 whole pages of new posts? Crazy...

[Soul]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

You mean relative to the Browns.

 

Yeah well we'll see if Denver has the stomach to trade what they know is a Super Bowl capable QB right to a conference rival that they'll have to see over & over again, either in the regular season, or the playoffs, or both.

 

Sending him to the NFC has got to be more comfortable, given how they've bungled the situation so far.

[Banedon]

I don't understand all the Browns talk...they have two QB's...how many do they need? I mean, I get they'd be trading one in the package for Cutler, but still...they don't seem to have a big QB need.

[dew1679666265]

I don't understand all the Browns talk...they have two QB's...how many do they need? I mean, I get they'd be trading one in the package for Cutler, but still...they don't seem to have a big QB need.

 

Most of what I've been hearing is a three-way with the Browns.

 

Team A, let's say, is acquiring Cutler. So it goes like this:

 

Team A receives Cutler and gives up draft picks

Cleveland gives up Brady Quinn to Denver and receives draft picks

Denver gives up Cutler to Cleveland and receives draft picks

 

I could see some combination of that working well. Denver keeps a good QB with potential (don't forget that McDaniels has ties to Charlie Weiss, who loved Quinn at ND), Cleveland has its unquestioned starting QB and gets picks and Team A has its franchise QB minus a good number of picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

If earlier rumors are true that they want an NFL QB back in a trade, the Bears may be in a better position than most. Orton is probably better than anybody discussed, and his contract is trade friendly - no cap implications. Cleveland could trade one of their guys, but both of them have bonuses that need to be accounted for in a trade (where Cutler's bonus will already provide it's own complications). And I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for them to deal one of their two QBs for another QB.

 

The Jets may be the front runner if only because they have shown a willingness to go big for QBs and are very QB hungry at this point. Detroit has the #1, but nobody likes #1 picks anymore. The Bears have 4 top 100 picks this year, an NFL tested QB and all of next year's picks. I don't see how they have any less ammunition than anybody else.

[Banedon]

I don't understand all the Browns talk...they have two QB's...how many do they need? I mean, I get they'd be trading one in the package for Cutler, but still...they don't seem to have a big QB need.

 

Most of what I've been hearing is a three-way with the Browns.

 

Team A, let's say, is acquiring Cutler. So it goes like this:

 

Team A receives Cutler and gives up draft picks

Cleveland gives up Brady Quinn to Denver and receives draft picks

Denver gives up Cutler to Cleveland and receives draft picks

 

I could see some combination of that working well. Denver keeps a good QB with potential (don't forget that McDaniels has ties to Charlie Weiss, who loved Quinn at ND), Cleveland has its unquestioned starting QB and gets picks and Team A has its franchise QB minus a good number of picks.

 

That I could understand, but most "which team will get Cutler" articles include the Browns pretty highly...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/01/cutler-destinations/index.html#?eref=T1

 

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1884/Where-could-Cutler-end-up-.html

[rawaction]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

If earlier rumors are true that they want an NFL QB back in a trade, the Bears may be in a better position than most. Orton is probably better than anybody discussed, and his contract is trade friendly - no cap implications. Cleveland could trade one of their guys, but both of them have bonuses that need to be accounted for in a trade (where Cutler's bonus will already provide it's own complications). And I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for them to deal one of their two QBs for another QB.

 

The Jets may be the front runner if only because they have shown a willingness to go big for QBs and are very QB hungry at this point. Detroit has the #1, but nobody likes #1 picks anymore. The Bears have 4 top 100 picks this year, an NFL tested QB and all of next year's picks. I don't see how they have any less ammunition than anybody else.

 

Rumors were that the Broncos wanted young experienced NFL players in return. Most likely those would need to be defensive players given the state of their team. The Bears have Kevin Payne and that's about it as a fit for the Broncos.

[dew1679666265]

I don't understand all the Browns talk...they have two QB's...how many do they need? I mean, I get they'd be trading one in the package for Cutler, but still...they don't seem to have a big QB need.

 

Most of what I've been hearing is a three-way with the Browns.

 

Team A, let's say, is acquiring Cutler. So it goes like this:

 

Team A receives Cutler and gives up draft picks

Cleveland gives up Brady Quinn to Denver and receives draft picks

Denver gives up Cutler to Cleveland and receives draft picks

 

I could see some combination of that working well. Denver keeps a good QB with potential (don't forget that McDaniels has ties to Charlie Weiss, who loved Quinn at ND), Cleveland has its unquestioned starting QB and gets picks and Team A has its franchise QB minus a good number of picks.

 

That I could understand, but most "which team will get Cutler" articles include the Browns pretty highly...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/01/cutler-destinations/index.html#?eref=T1

 

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1884/Where-could-Cutler-end-up-.html

 

Yeah, I've heard those, but they don't make much sense.

 

I think the Browns would be more likely to chase picks than chase Cutler.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

If earlier rumors are true that they want an NFL QB back in a trade, the Bears may be in a better position than most. Orton is probably better than anybody discussed, and his contract is trade friendly - no cap implications. Cleveland could trade one of their guys, but both of them have bonuses that need to be accounted for in a trade (where Cutler's bonus will already provide it's own complications). And I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for them to deal one of their two QBs for another QB.

 

The Jets may be the front runner if only because they have shown a willingness to go big for QBs and are very QB hungry at this point. Detroit has the #1, but nobody likes #1 picks anymore. The Bears have 4 top 100 picks this year, an NFL tested QB and all of next year's picks. I don't see how they have any less ammunition than anybody else.

 

Rumors were that the Broncos wanted young experienced NFL players in return. Most likely those would need to be defensive players given the state of their team. The Bears have Kevin Payne and that's about it as a fit for the Broncos.

 

Danieal Manning? Dusty? Idonije.

Steltz, Hamilton, Harrison, maybe even a guy like Vasher (he's been around, but is only 27 and has had NFL success). Roach or Williams could draw some interest.

[rawaction]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

If earlier rumors are true that they want an NFL QB back in a trade, the Bears may be in a better position than most. Orton is probably better than anybody discussed, and his contract is trade friendly - no cap implications. Cleveland could trade one of their guys, but both of them have bonuses that need to be accounted for in a trade (where Cutler's bonus will already provide it's own complications). And I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for them to deal one of their two QBs for another QB.

 

The Jets may be the front runner if only because they have shown a willingness to go big for QBs and are very QB hungry at this point. Detroit has the #1, but nobody likes #1 picks anymore. The Bears have 4 top 100 picks this year, an NFL tested QB and all of next year's picks. I don't see how they have any less ammunition than anybody else.

 

Rumors were that the Broncos wanted young experienced NFL players in return. Most likely those would need to be defensive players given the state of their team. The Bears have Kevin Payne and that's about it as a fit for the Broncos.

 

Danieal Manning? Dusty? Idonije.

Steltz, Hamilton, Harrison, maybe even a guy like Vasher (he's been around, but is only 27 and has had NFL success). Roach or Williams could draw some interest.

 

Manning is a man w/o a position. Dusty can't stay healthy or play NT in the 3-4 that Denver runs. Harrison is also not a nose. Steltz isn't experienced. Idonije is a backup, but could help at 3-4 end. Roach could draw interest. Vasher maybe, but I don't think they would want to take on that money and inconsistency. Jamar Williams is not experienced.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Bears have the ammunition, relative to other potential trade partners, to land Cutler.

 

If earlier rumors are true that they want an NFL QB back in a trade, the Bears may be in a better position than most. Orton is probably better than anybody discussed, and his contract is trade friendly - no cap implications. Cleveland could trade one of their guys, but both of them have bonuses that need to be accounted for in a trade (where Cutler's bonus will already provide it's own complications). And I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense for them to deal one of their two QBs for another QB.

 

The Jets may be the front runner if only because they have shown a willingness to go big for QBs and are very QB hungry at this point. Detroit has the #1, but nobody likes #1 picks anymore. The Bears have 4 top 100 picks this year, an NFL tested QB and all of next year's picks. I don't see how they have any less ammunition than anybody else.

 

Rumors were that the Broncos wanted young experienced NFL players in return. Most likely those would need to be defensive players given the state of their team. The Bears have Kevin Payne and that's about it as a fit for the Broncos.

 

Danieal Manning? Dusty? Idonije.

Steltz, Hamilton, Harrison, maybe even a guy like Vasher (he's been around, but is only 27 and has had NFL success). Roach or Williams could draw some interest.

 

Manning is a man w/o a position. Dusty can't stay healthy or play NT in the 3-4 that Denver runs. Harrison is also not a nose. Steltz isn't experienced. Idonije is a backup, but could help at 3-4 end. Roach could draw interest. Vasher maybe, but I don't think they would want to take on that money and inconsistency. Jamar Williams is not experienced.

 

I understand we aren't talking about Briggs, but I don't see everybody else dying to give up their best young defenders either. The point is the Bears have picks, a viable QB, and guys who can fill positions on the defense while probably being upgrades to what is a pathetic Denver defense.

[rawaction]

bad April fools joke that I fell for

[WrigleyField 22]

First and third and Orton for Cutler?

 

Sign me up!

[Guest]

bad April fools joke that I fell for

 

Are you talking about Quinn, Rogers and picks for Cutler. I didn't believe that for a second. Even if the Browns didn't have a decent QB, I'm not sure if I'd trade Rogers for Cutler straight up. He eats QB's for breakfast.

[Wilson A2000]

How about Cutler for Urlacher straight up? While Cutler is weak stock (he cried like a baby after his name is implicated in trade talks, but he is a .500 career QB who made a number of poor throws late in the season), he is better than Orton. This situation is different from the 49ers who might not draft a guy b/c he won't open up to a total stranger about the divorce of his parents, but I am still a little concerned.

[rawaction]

bad April fools joke that I fell for

 

Are you talking about Quinn, Rogers and picks for Cutler. I didn't believe that for a second. Even if the Browns didn't have a decent QB, I'm not sure if I'd trade Rogers for Cutler straight up. He eats QB's for breakfast.

 

No, I had posted what I read online somewhere else about a 3-way trade that had Cutler to the Bears, Peppers to Denver, and Bears 1st and 3rd to Carolina.

[dew1679666265]

How about Cutler for Urlacher straight up? While Cutler is weak stock (he cried like a baby after his name is implicated in trade talks, but he is a .500 career QB who made a number of poor throws late in the season), he is better than Orton. This situation is different from the 49ers who might not draft a guy b/c he won't open up to a total stranger about the divorce of his parents, but I am still a little concerned.

 

I still don't see how the record of a team with a horrifically awful defense is any implication on the quarterback. Most of the team's losses were not the fault of the offense and, thus, not the fault of Cutler.

 

And I didn't see a lot of the poor throws, but I'd wager at least some were him trying a bit too hard to score knowing that the defense would likely give up points either way.

[cubweiser03]

Briggs could definetly work on the inside of a 3-4. He's a 4-3 OLB but could fit very well on the inside of a 3-4, heck if it werent for Urlacher he'd be the MLB, plus Briggs was phenominal last year making his trade value very solid. Shawn Rogers is becoming the TO on the defense, he's a bad ass but Detroit soured on him for his attitude and now he is unhappy at Cleveland. Like Raw said, all Detroit has is Ernie Sims and he definelty isnt Briggs. Briggs has bitched for 2 years about his pay and AFTER he got paid he had by a far his best year, i liked seeing that personally from him(i still love that crashed car story).

 

I agree Detroit's #1 cost too much money, its almost as if the #1 really isnt all that great when you count all the guaranteed money. What i think my be interesting is the if Matt Sanchez falls in the draft. The Jets draft #17, just one ahead of the Bears, that one simple slot could hurt if a pre draft trade is worked out where the Broncos pull the trigger if only Sanchez is available. This is pure draft case scenario on my part.

 

Chris Williams. Now i havent seen him play an NFL snap but his scouting report says his weakness is run blocking and thats paramount for a RT. The guy is supposed to be a great player on the island of pass protection as a LT, moving him to RT is taking away his strengths. I dont particurilary like the idea of finesse LT moving to the RT. But if the Bears dont think he can quite handle the LT spot yet (which i dont think is good long term) then we are f'd and its probably even more to get Pace.

[RedFlash]

bad April fools joke that I fell for

 

Are you talking about Quinn, Rogers and picks for Cutler. I didn't believe that for a second. Even if the Browns didn't have a decent QB, I'm not sure if I'd trade Rogers for Cutler straight up. He eats QB's for breakfast.

 

No, I had posted what I read online somewhere else about a 3-way trade that had Cutler to the Bears, Peppers to Denver, and Bears 1st and 3rd to Carolina.

 

Man I would jump on that deal is a hurry if that was true.

 

With that said, if the Bears decide the price is too high to pay for Cutler (if Angelo doesn't think Cutler is worth acquiring then I am sorry Angelo will never actively upgrade the QB position as long as he is here), what about tossing a 2nd rder to Washington for Jason Campbell?

[Banedon]

bad April fools joke that I fell for

 

Are you talking about Quinn, Rogers and picks for Cutler. I didn't believe that for a second. Even if the Browns didn't have a decent QB, I'm not sure if I'd trade Rogers for Cutler straight up. He eats QB's for breakfast.

 

No, I had posted what I read online somewhere else about a 3-way trade that had Cutler to the Bears, Peppers to Denver, and Bears 1st and 3rd to Carolina.

 

Man I would jump on that deal is a hurry if that was true.

 

With that said, if the Bears decide the price is too high to pay for Cutler (if Angelo doesn't think Cutler is worth acquiring then I am sorry Angelo will never actively upgrade the QB position as long as he is here), what about tossing a 2nd rder to Washington for Jason Campbell?

 

If you don't get Cutler, I'd rather not worry about QB this season at this point. Cutler is a big enough upgrade to go through the trouble. Not Campbell.