2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[CUBZ99]

sorry jersey, I think you are being extremely uptight about this, and I'm not sure Jon Hoke's hiring is a make or break move for the organization. sure, if he's the incoming GM or HC, but he's a db coach, who may have the opportunity to become a DC. Your right, he should be threatened with almight "accepted way of doing buisness". yea, that works.

 

besides, as raisen has poitned out, it all appears to be a mute point anyway

 

moot

 

And if you think honoring your word is uptight, then, well, whatever.

 

And it's moot because it would be absurd if it happens. Sorry, but you're wrong. It is not a generally accepted practice to back out on a contract to coach a football team a day later. If he did it, it would be a douchey move, just like when Belichik bolted on the Jets minutes before his introduction to the press and New England had to give up draft picks.

 

I once committed to working at a firm, and passed up several other better job offers during my last year in school. I moved my family out of state and "kept my word" only to find out that after I had moved the firm was dissolving. Although things worked out great for me and I see your point, each person has to make their own decision and I don't see how MinnesotaCubs move was douchy. I'm sure if the firm that just hired him was contacted by someone "better" who would make them more money they would not hesitate to withdraw their job offer.

 

Random firms dissolving are not the same as an NFL franchise. If you work in an industry where offers are withrawn after you accept, that's a product of a poorly run industry, and not at all related to an NFL coach accepting a coaching position and then looking for a new job the next day, which apparantly didn't happen here, in part because that is not an accepted practice for a "guy just doing what's best for him and his family."

 

I work in the same industry you do, unless I misread and your not an attorney.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Matt Forte = highest ranked RB:

 

http://football.realgm.com/src_feature/316/

 

Interesting.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Draft needs (but nothing we havent alredy discussed here):

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/needs011209.htm

[Soul]

Matt Forte = highest ranked RB:

 

http://football.realgm.com/src_feature/316/

 

Interesting.

 

His receiving put him over the top, which makes sense.

[minnesotacubsfan]

well, his salary and his recieving put him over the top. That rating system is interesting, especially considering the implamentaion of the salary cap in football

[burnt out cubbie fan]

.....Bears highest receiver

 

44 Devin Hester 423 74%

 

ugh.

[cubweiser03]

Hot damn. Peppers wants out of Carolina....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/17/peppers-wants-out-of-carolina/

[tfarks]

Everyone is gonna want some of that.

[Butterscup1679666578]

We really need to be throwing any available money we have at Haynesworth or Peppers.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Peppers would be a nice pick-up.

 

I trust Harris/Harrison to rebound more then I trust Ogun/Brown to rebound, my choice would be Peppers over Haynesworth

[biittner77]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

[rawaction]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

 

I could see it not mattering much though. I could see Peppers helping get great production out of the the DTs and LBs just as I could see Haynesworth helping get great production out of the DEs and LBs. They both have that kind of talent.

 

I won't be complaining about either one of them though.

[rawaction]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

 

I could see it not mattering much though. I could see Peppers helping get great production out of the the DTs and LBs just as I could see Haynesworth helping get great production out of the DEs and LBs. They both have that kind of talent.

 

I won't be complaining about either one of them though.

 

Yeah, I guess I agree. I just think Haynesworth is a better all around player than Peppers. And DTs typically are cheaper than DEs. Plus, there are plenty of DEs in the draft who could come in and help out immediately, not so much at DT.

 

Either way, I'd rather the Bears spend big on a lineman nor even a WR than either defensive position. A big time OT or RG would do wonders for this team. At DT, the Bears have Harris, Harrison, Dvoracek, Adams, and Idonije who are all pretty young and each have shown the ability to be pretty good for flashes. At DE the Bears have two 30+ year olds and Anderson who is looking like rookie fluke. I'd gamble on the a 1st round DE coming in and pushing Ogunleye in a contract year and Anderson who will be fighting for his job. Alex still has value as a run stopping DE.

[Magnetic Curses]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

 

i whiole heartedly agree. but what are the chances that carolina can retain both gross and peppers? i think it's more likely to get one of those guys than haynesworth. i'll take whomever they decide to not franchise.

[rawaction]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

 

i whiole heartedly agree. but what are the chances that carolina can retain both gross and peppers? i think it's more likely to get one of those guys than haynesworth. i'll take whomever they decide to not franchise.

 

True. I don't think Haynesworth is going anywhere. I don't think Carolina brings back Peppers or Gross. Last offseason, Carolina drafted Otah, signed Wharton to a 6-year deal, and franchised Gross. Otah was excellent this year, and I'm sure they think he can play LT. Wharton was previously a RT, but I think they want to keep him at RG. Franchising Gross last year, says to me that they won't do it again this year. And the longterm deal with Wharton combined with the 1st round pick of Otah says to me that they won't sign Gross long-term.

 

However, if Gross is back with Carolina, I'd rather go after a guy like Vernon Carey from Miami than sign Peppers. Carey is RT who has not missed a game in 3 years. Being that he is a RT, he's likely to be a lot cheaper than a star DE like Peppers. Carey's only 27 so he wouldn't be another Fred Miller signing of a guy on his last leg in the league. His price tag should also allow the Bears to spend on perhaps a WR or safety.

[Magnetic Curses]

Given the contracts/ extensions they gave to Vasher, Urlacher and Briggs, what money do the Bears have to throw at Peppers in the unlikely event that he doesn't get franchised by Carolina?

 

Bears will be about 18-22 Mil under the cap. They should be fine to sign Peppers.

 

However, I will point out that I know it's common to want Peppers over Haynesworth, but Haynesworth is the better player, and the last time the Bears got really good production out of their DEs (Ogun, Brown, Anderson) and Urlacher....they had Tommie Harris playing like a stud DT.

 

i whiole heartedly agree. but what are the chances that carolina can retain both gross and peppers? i think it's more likely to get one of those guys than haynesworth. i'll take whomever they decide to not franchise.

 

True. I don't think Haynesworth is going anywhere. I don't think Carolina brings back Peppers or Gross. Last offseason, Carolina drafted Otah, signed Wharton to a 6-year deal, and franchised Gross. Otah was excellent this year, and I'm sure they think he can play LT. Wharton was previously a RT, but I think they want to keep him at RG. Franchising Gross last year, says to me that they won't do it again this year. And the longterm deal with Wharton combined with the 1st round pick of Otah says to me that they won't sign Gross long-term.

 

However, if Gross is back with Carolina, I'd rather go after a guy like Vernon Carey from Miami than sign Peppers. Carey is RT who has not missed a game in 3 years. Being that he is a RT, he's likely to be a lot cheaper than a star DE like Peppers. Carey's only 27 so he wouldn't be another Fred Miller signing of a guy on his last leg in the league. His price tag should also allow the Bears to spend on perhaps a WR or safety.

 

one thing for sure is that there are some players out there who would work very well for this team and the bears should be in a very good position to acquire one or two of them.

[MPC]

For those of us who were hopefully of the bears signing julius peppers, you can forget it.

 

Peppers' Agent, Carl Carey:

 

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. "He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

 

Obviously, there is no way the Bears switch to a 3-4, so they'll have to look DE elsewhere.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Go get Haynesworth then.

[Magnetic Curses]

For those of us who were hopefully of the bears signing julius peppers, you can forget it.

 

Peppers' Agent, Carl Carey:

 

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. "He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

 

Obviously, there is no way the Bears switch to a 3-4, so they'll have to look DE elsewhere.

 

actually, the tampa-2 base system has produced some legendary pass rushers and would probably "maximize his athletic abilities" just as much as playing in a gimmick system would.

[Derwood]

3-4 defense, meaning, what, Pittsburgh, New England or Houston? I doubt he'd want to go to the Texans, and I don't imagine the first two have tons of cash, but I don't know that for sure

[Mark_R]

3-4 defense, meaning, what, Pittsburgh, New England or Houston? I doubt he'd want to go to the Texans, and I don't imagine the first two have tons of cash, but I don't know that for sure

 

Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego.

[Derwood]

3-4 defense, meaning, what, Pittsburgh, New England or Houston? I doubt he'd want to go to the Texans, and I don't imagine the first two have tons of cash, but I don't know that for sure

 

Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego.

 

Will Dallas change with a new DC?

[Vanilla Ice]

3-4 defense, meaning, what, Pittsburgh, New England or Houston? I doubt he'd want to go to the Texans, and I don't imagine the first two have tons of cash, but I don't know that for sure

 

Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego.

Atlanta?

[CubColtPacer]

3-4 defense, meaning, what, Pittsburgh, New England or Houston? I doubt he'd want to go to the Texans, and I don't imagine the first two have tons of cash, but I don't know that for sure

 

Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego.

 

also Baltimore, Jets, Cleveland, San Fransisco at times, Miami at times, Denver possibly next year.

 

BTW, the Texans are a 4-3 defense. Atlanta is also a 4-3.