Week 16: Packers @ Bears, MNF on ESPN (7:30 CT)

[MPC]

What are everyone's thoughts on the Bears going after TJ Housh this offseason? I'd be all for it. The numbers he put up this season are pretty amazing considering he had a worst supporting cast on offense than the Bears. He is a bit old for my liking, but definetly someone I can see stablizing the position for a while.

 

I like him, but I get the feeling the Bears will over-pay him and he'll have a subsequent dropoff with this team.

signing him reminds me of the muhammed signing a few years ago. a wide receiver on the down side of his career, heading to a poor offense.

[rawaction]

What are everyone's thoughts on the Bears going after TJ Housh this offseason? I'd be all for it. The numbers he put up this season are pretty amazing considering he had a worst supporting cast on offense than the Bears. He is a bit old for my liking, but definetly someone I can see stablizing the position for a while.

 

I like him, but I get the feeling the Bears will over-pay him and he'll have a subsequent dropoff with this team.

signing him reminds me of the muhammed signing a few years ago. a wide receiver on the down side of his career, heading to a poor offense.

 

That's because that's exactly what it would be. Housh will be 32 early next season. Same age Moose was when he signed. Not to take anything from either in their prime, but they both had the benefit of playing with a stud #1 WR in a pass heavy offense. Housh probably has more left than Moose did at the same age, but no team should expect more than 1 good (not great) season from him.

[rawaction]

The Bears need to sign a top flight FA WR (not an overrated Bernard Berrian type) and then draft another one in the first round (Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, etc.). Hester should not be counted on as more than a #3. The OLine needs to be strenghtened and a legitimate backup for Forte is needed. Give Orton some help and I think he will be an excellent QB for the Bears. I doubt he will ever be a Pro Bowler, but that's not necessarily needed for the Bears to be a great team.

 

Crabtree will be gone before the Bears pick, he's a top 10 pick.

 

I agree that OL and WR need to be addressed but you can't ignore defense in the draft, especially when there are 2 glaring weaknesses on the defense (DE and S), the defense is continuing to age and you spent the first two picks in the previous draft on offense.

 

As I said earlier, next year the Bears will have a 24 and 26 yo on the left side of the line. Buenning will only be 28, if he gets a starting spot. Orton will be 27. Forte 23. Top 2 receiving threats 24 and 26. Bennett 22. Lloyd 28. Defensively, they are looking at ages 30 and 32 on the ends. Two 29+ LBs. Tillman will be 28. Brown will be 31. Brown and Vasher both will be HUGE injury risks.

 

The only old (over 28) starters on offense will likely be Kreutz and the RT. The only young starters on defense will be Roach, Harris, and Payne. Makes sense to me to draft (i.e. get younger) either on defense or on the line.

 

1. If the Bears D is going to get better against the pass they have to get a better pass rush, without having to blitz more than any other team in the league. It would also help to not have slow safeties who would rather be in the box than playing the deep middle.

 

2. The Bears success is, was, and will always be predicated on the defense. Drafting a top 3 WR isn't going to make the pass game better. Unless we are talking about a OT that can come in and start right away, there is no 1 position that's going to make the Bears offense good. Matt Ryan isn't making the Falcons' offense good. It's Michael Turner and the OL they brought in.

[SpongeWorthy]

Matt Ryan is a huge reason the Falcons offense is good. Have you seen him play? He has everything you could want in an NFL quarterback.

 

He's going to be the best quarterback in the NFC shortly.

[rawaction]

Matt Ryan is a huge reason the Falcons offense is good. Have you seen him play? He has everything you could want in an NFL quarterback.

 

He's going to be the best quarterback in the NFC shortly.

 

He's a very good QB. I didn't say he wasn't. But how good would he look if the Falcons didn't sign Michael Turner (2nd best RB in the NFC this year), draft Sam Baker, and develop Justin Blalock who they drafted the year before?

[Old Style]

Something tells me that if Tommie Harris would play up to his potential, the DE's would have a little more success. Brown and Ogunleye are pretty good players. I'm also not sold on the defensive scheme that Babich is running.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

[rchap24]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

[minnesotacubsfan]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

[rchap24]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Well with us getting a later draft pick now I think its a little harder. When Thayer said that it was like 2 weeks ago and I'm sure people were assuming we were done. What are the first 5 picks going to look like by the way? I feel like there not that obvious this year (the players not whos drafting)

[minnesotacubsfan]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Well with us getting a later draft pick now I think its a little harder. When Thayer said that it was like 2 weeks ago and I'm sure people were assuming we were done. What are the first 5 picks going to look like by the way? I feel like there not that obvious this year (the players not whos drafting)

 

IC. I dont know that its that obvious either.

[rawaction]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

[rchap24]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

 

I'd say DE, OL, FS (simply because that position doesn't come easy in the draft). I think you go for a FS via Free Agency... But yes I totally agree if there is an OL or more importantly a RT in the first 20 picks you go for it

[Old Style]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

[rchap24]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

 

I don't think were going to get a good WR in the draft so yeah I think a WR in the draft should come in like the 3rd or 4th round....

[BigbadB]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

 

I'm not. But, is TJ the only receiver that will be available this offseason? I think the Bears need to get a top tier free agent at that position. We have no idea if Bennett will be any good since the Bears decided to wait too long to get him some reps. I don't mind Lloyd and Hester. Booker can go away now. Rashied Davis will be the next former Bears receiver to wait until he leaves to actually be good.

 

If they can get a good receiver, then the combination of Hester, Lloyd, Bennett and a decent undrafted receiver or two or six, that can fight it out in training camp, should be a fairly decent enough corps for next year. With the solid depth at TE and Forte's abilities to catch out of the backfield, I don't think the Bears need a HOF caliber receiver. But someone who can get open and make things happen enough to spread the field should improve the offense enough to allow the draft picks to be spent where it is much more needed.

[rchap24]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

 

I'm not. But, is TJ the only receiver that will be available this offseason? I think the Bears need to get a top tier free agent at that position. We have no idea if Bennett will be any good since the Bears decided to wait too long to get him some reps. I don't mind Lloyd and Hester. Booker can go away now. Rashied Davis will be the next former Bears receiver to wait until he leaves to actually be good.

 

If they can get a good receiver, then the combination of Hester, Lloyd, Bennett and a decent undrafted receiver should be a fairly decent enough corps for next year. With the solid depth at TE and Forte's abilities to catch out of the backfield, I don't think the Bears need a HOF caliber receiver. But someone who can get open and make things happen enough to spread the field should improve the offense enough to allow the draft picks to be spent where it is much more needed.

 

I think we really should push hard for TJ and draft a receiver in the 3rd or 4th round...If the receiver doesn't play a lot the first year not a big deal, but a TJ, Lloyd, Hester, and Bennett/the draft pick this year is a much better receiving core

[Old Style]

I'd be happy with a WR that can actually catch.

[rchap24]

I'd be happy with a WR that can actually catch.

 

TJ and Lloyd can and Lloyd isn't a number one receiver I think you throw him in with an actual legit number one he becomes more effective as the possession receiver

[rawaction]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

 

Sure, if you are fine putting words in my mouth.

 

Just because I don't see a major need to draft a WR in the first 2 rounds doesn't mean I think the position is fine. Again, this is a team designed to get the ball to the TE and RB. Both are great receivers. Hester is developing. Bennett is developing. Lloyd is ok. And how is a WR, without a QB to throw to him, is going to help this team? Berrian has shown this year he is a top 15-20 WR in the game. Bears offense sucked with him in it. What makes anyone think it will be better with a marginally more talented draft pick?

[rawaction]

Again. Housh is going to be 32 next season. He's going to command enough money to be paid as a top 5 WR, which is not anymore nor will be a couple years into his next contract. The Bears still don't have a QB to throw to him.

 

Paying millions to a WR without anything more than a serviceable QB is like a one-legged man paying $200 for a pair of Jordan's. It doesn't make any sense.

[rchap24]

Again. Housh is going to be 32 next season. He's going to command enough money to be paid as a top 5 WR, which is not anymore nor will be a couple years into his next contract. The Bears still don't have a QB to throw to him.

 

Paying millions to a WR without anything more than a serviceable QB is like a one-legged man paying $200 for a pair of Jordan's. It doesn't make any sense.

 

I think he'll still be pretty good for another 2 seasons probably, but yet he is getting older. Also I'm still not convinced Orton's horrible. I would at least want to see him with a decent receiving core and younger line and see if he could be a manageable QB

[rawaction]

Again. Housh is going to be 32 next season. He's going to command enough money to be paid as a top 5 WR, which is not anymore nor will be a couple years into his next contract. The Bears still don't have a QB to throw to him.

 

Paying millions to a WR without anything more than a serviceable QB is like a one-legged man paying $200 for a pair of Jordan's. It doesn't make any sense.

 

I think he'll still be pretty good for another 2 seasons probably, but yet he is getting older. Also I'm still not convinced Orton's horrible. I would at least want to see him with a decent receiving core and younger line and see if he could be a manageable QB

 

He'll be decent. He'll be much better than Moose was, though the similarities are striking. He'll be a possession WR, but he'll likely get money like he's Randy Moss. I'd rather spend the money on someone like Gaffney to be a relatively cheap possession WR, worth the money.

 

And I don't think Orton is bad either, but this offense is not condusive to a WR putting up the 100 reception per year average Housh has had the last 3 years. Even if you take his 75 average earlier in his career, that's probably the very high end you can expect from him. For what he is going to get paid, he should be a lock for 80 rec, 1100 yrds. It's not his fault though, as nobody will put up those numbers in this offense with this (these) QB(s).

[Old Style]

Brown and Ogun are both past their prime, and Anderson seems to have been a fluke. DE needs youth and talent.

 

DT is fine. They havent played THAT badly. Harris has 5 sacks, Harrison looks like a great pick and is still a rookie, and AA is servicable. Dusty is a questin mark

 

 

OL is a need, adn defintiely should get a 1st day boost

 

WR needs a #1, frome somewhere, either draft or FA, but I dont want Housh unless we get more you talent in the draft. he is likely to regress

 

Thayer was saying first round OL second or third round reciever

 

 

I dont think we have to draft OL the 1st round, but one of 1-3 rds needs to be oline. I think we can be more selective then locking in @ 1st rd oline.

 

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

LOL. You are fine with the group of WR's that are on the team now?

 

Sure, if you are fine putting words in my mouth.

 

Just because I don't see a major need to draft a WR in the first 2 rounds doesn't mean I think the position is fine. Again, this is a team designed to get the ball to the TE and RB. Both are great receivers. Hester is developing. Bennett is developing. Lloyd is ok. And how is a WR, without a QB to throw to him, is going to help this team? Berrian has shown this year he is a top 15-20 WR in the game. Bears offense sucked with him in it. What makes anyone think it will be better with a marginally more talented draft pick?

I don't ever expect Orton to be a Pro Bowler, but he's not a bad QB. His numbers would look pretty good this year if every other pass that hit a receiver in the hands wasn't dropped.

[UK1679666180]

Not to downplay the need, but the OL the Bears need would only be a RT. The guys w/ 1st round grades are typically LTs or stud guards. However, if the Bears can find a stud in the 20s, they should take him. Chris Williams hasn't exactly shown he can be a LT in the league yet.

 

But I think the Bears should look at DE, FS, OL in that order. If you have 3 evenly graded players, go w/ defense. If you can get an OL that is graded higher, definitely pick him.

 

Garza would disagree with you here.