Phillies sign Ibanez- 3/30

[nilodnayr]

A good hitter would have certainly been better than Fukudome. I don't think he's incredible or anything, but the comments of "oh thank GOD!" are a little over the top.

i'd argue Fukudome had a more productive season last year overall and projects to have a more productive season this year as well, by more than a small margin

 

I wouldn't argue with you.

[sneakypower]

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[Soul]

 

OK, but I can show you video clips of Fukudome looking stupid at the plate over & over again, after the beginning of the year.......and let's face it, without Fuku's hot start, his hitting numbers were absolutely abysmal. As it was, he ended at a 90 OPS+, but was far lower than that after June.

 

How do you figure he'll project out better next year? I find it far more likely he'll continue to be like he was in the 2nd half of the year. It seems obvious to me that pitchers simply figured him out.

[sneakypower]

 

OK, but I can show you video clips of Fukudome looking stupid at the plate over & over again, after the beginning of the year.......and let's face it, without Fuku's hot start, his hitting numbers were absolutely abysmal. As it was, he ended at a 90 OPS+, but was far lower than that after June.

 

How do you figure he'll project out better next year? I find it far more likely he'll continue to be like he was in the 2nd half of the year. It seems obvious to me that pitchers simply figured him out.

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if you arbitrarily dispose of all the at bats where he was productive, then sure he was an awful hitter. what's your point?

 

March through June

340 PA 15.5 BB%, 19.5 K%, 20.1 LD%, 50.9 GB%, .133 ISO, .349 BABIP

 

July through October

250 PA, 11.8 BB%, 22.5 K%, 17.8 LD%, 50.1 GB%, .105 ISO, .251 BABIP

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How do you figure he'll project out better next year?

 

Because Fukudome is one of the top few defensive RF in the game, and Ibanez is one of the bottom few.

[Soul]

 

OK, but I can show you video clips of Fukudome looking stupid at the plate over & over again, after the beginning of the year.......and let's face it, without Fuku's hot start, his hitting numbers were absolutely abysmal. As it was, he ended at a 90 OPS+, but was far lower than that after June.

 

How do you figure he'll project out better next year? I find it far more likely he'll continue to be like he was in the 2nd half of the year. It seems obvious to me that pitchers simply figured him out.

the pics i added in there for hilarity

 

if you arbitrarily dispose of all the at bats where he was productive, then sure he was an awful hitter. what's your point?

 

March through June

340 PA 15.5 BB%, 19.5 K%, 20.1 LD%, 50.9 GB%, .133 ISO, .349 BABIP

 

July through October

250 PA, 11.8 BB%, 22.5 K%, 17.8 LD%, 50.1 GB%, .105 ISO, .251 BABIP

 

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

[sneakypower]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

[Soul]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

 

The fact that he wasn't able to make any adjustments in response to what pitchers began to throw at him is what makes it obvious for me. It's not like he didn't have time to counter-adjust. He just wasn't able to do it. And he's an older ballplayer. It's also not like he's a young guy still formulating his game. I find it likely that he is what he is.

[haubrich91]

Thank god. Let's go and get Bradley now.

[sneakypower]

how are you even comparing these two players anyways? unless you're a big Mariners buff by some chance, obviously you're going to think more highly of a guy with flaws you don't notice/aren't aware of to the other flawed player you have better ability to scrutinize. it just doesn't make much sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

 

I'm guessing it's obvious to him because Fukudome didn't just hit some rough patches that held down his numbers, but rather he was a complete piece of crap at the plate for months.

 

I don't get why people are thanking god that Ibanez won't be available. He wasn't ideal, but they are more likely than not getting somebody, and they could do a lot worse.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hideki Matsui had one good month(June) his rookie year. His line outside that month was .270/.331/.394

[jersey cubs fan]

how are you even comparing these two players anyways? unless you're a big Mariners buff by some chance, obviously you're going to think more highly of a guy with flaws you don't notice/aren't aware of to the other flawed player you have better ability to scrutinize. it just doesn't make much sense.

 

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

 

I'm guessing it's obvious to him because Fukudome didn't just hit some rough patches that held down his numbers, but rather he was a complete piece of crap at the plate for months.

 

I don't get why people are thanking god that Ibanez won't be available. He wasn't ideal, but they are more likely than not getting somebody, and they could do a lot worse.

 

Ibanez was the worst of any possibility mentioned this offseason, including any permutation of not adding someone and going with what we currently have.

[Tracer Bullet]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

 

I'm guessing it's obvious to him because Fukudome didn't just hit some rough patches that held down his numbers, but rather he was a complete piece of crap at the plate for months.

 

I don't get why people are thanking god that Ibanez won't be available. He wasn't ideal, but they are more likely than not getting somebody, and they could do a lot worse.

 

$10m for a 40-year-old Ibanez would have probably been the worst payment per year of any of Hendry's signings, that is until Soriano's 40 (or whatever age he'll be in last year of his contract).

[jersey cubs fan]

My point is what I said. It seem pretty obvious to me there's a high likelihood of never seeing "March through June" again.

what makes that so obvious?

 

oh, and i'd also be remiss if i didn't mention Fuku was roughly 5 runs better than Ibanez on the basepaths last year

 

I'm guessing it's obvious to him because Fukudome didn't just hit some rough patches that held down his numbers, but rather he was a complete piece of crap at the plate for months.

 

I don't get why people are thanking god that Ibanez won't be available. He wasn't ideal, but they are more likely than not getting somebody, and they could do a lot worse.

 

$10m for a 40-year-old Ibanez would have probably been the worst payment per year of any of Hendry's signings, that is until Soriano's 40 (or whatever age he'll be in last year of his contract).

 

When all is said and done, I'm not sure we'll be able to nail down the winner of that award.

 

But for what it's worth, Ibanez turned 36 during this season. A 3 year deal won't pay him a dime when he's 40.

[sneakypower]

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

and the numbers bear out that Fukudome was a superior player to Ibanez last year and will most likely continue to be for the next three seasons

[Cubswin11]

So if Ibanez went 3@30, what does that mean for Bradley? 3@24-25 or 2@19-21?

[rawaction]

So if Ibanez went 3@30, what does that mean for Bradley? 3@24-25 or 2@19-21?

 

Probably. And I'd probably do either deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

and the numbers bear out that Fukudome was a superior player to Ibanez last year and will most likely continue to be for the next three seasons

 

I don't see it.

[AZCub]

This is great news because Ibanez will command more $$ than Bradley will, and only landed $10mil/year. This sets the market for us and it fits our payroll perfectly. I love it.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is great news because Ibanez will command more $$ than Bradley will, and only landed $10mil/year. This sets the market for us and it fits our payroll perfectly. I love it.

 

You'd think he'd get more, but this market is not all that cut and dried and you just never know who is going to get what.

[nilodnayr]

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

and the numbers bear out that Fukudome was a superior player to Ibanez last year and will most likely continue to be for the next three seasons

 

I don't see it.

 

defense

[jersey cubs fan]

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

and the numbers bear out that Fukudome was a superior player to Ibanez last year and will most likely continue to be for the next three seasons

 

I don't see it.

 

defense

 

I understand the assumption, I just don't see it. People are going a bit overboard around here pretending they can accurately determine the defensive differences.

[nilodnayr]

It doesn't make much sense to compare numbers? I don't care about "seeing flaws", I care about players that can produce.

and the numbers bear out that Fukudome was a superior player to Ibanez last year and will most likely continue to be for the next three seasons

 

I don't see it.

 

defense

 

I understand the assumption, I just don't see it. People are going a bit overboard around here pretending they can accurately determine the defensive differences.

 

Defense fluctuates a lot, but Fukudome is clearly a plus defender and Ibanez is clearly a minus defender. Both by a fairly decent margin.