College Football - Championship Week

[NCCubFan]

Both columnists in ESPN.com's weekly bowl projections are now projecting North Carolina State as an opponent for Ball State in the Motor City Bowl. Its supposed to be MAC vs. Big 10, but with Ohio State expected to get an at-large BCS bid and everyone else in the Big 10 moving up a rung that would leave them one qualifier short when it comes to the Motor City Bowl.

 

That's the bowl most likely to have the BSU v. BSU game. Rick Chryst the MAC Commish said he is talking to WAC commish and Motor City Bowl guys to get it done but Boise is resisting because they want it to played at their home field (sound scared to me). Both schools are in talks right now and Ball State has already said no to playing it in Boise. It's still unlikely but its really up to a bowl to step up and ignore tie-ins or Boise to quit demanding it be played in Boise.

The Independence Bowl that Andy mentioned previously would be a good fit because both conference tie-ins fell short of having enough teams qualify to fill all of their slots. The game is supposed to be Big 12 vs. SEC, but Colorado (after losing to Nebraska) and Auburn (after losing to Alabama) are both ineligible, leaving both conferences short. From what I've read Ball State is willing to play in a bowl at a neutral site but it's Boise State that's balking (unless it were to play TCU).

[Mephistopheles]

The real answer here is Gary Pinkel doing the honorable thing and saying that because his team lost to Texas and embarrassed themselves by losing to Kansas that they will give Texas their spot in the Big XII title game. The Big XII and SEC title games are our national semifinals and winners move on. Everyone wins.

 

 

 

Sorry TT.

 

yeah i'm pretty sure that isn't allowed.

 

It's not that hard to not show up.

[B]

So for some reason is Mizzou were to beat up OU, who would join the winner of Florida/Bama in the NC game? USC? It will probably be Texas but they didn't even win their conference (albeit by screwy rules). It should be USC

 

I don't care if Texas didn't win their conference, they absolutely would belong there ahead of USC.

 

Why USC ahead of Penn State?

USC is better.

[Butterscup1679666578]

The real answer here is Gary Pinkel doing the honorable thing and saying that because his team lost to Texas and embarrassed themselves by losing to Kansas that they will give Texas their spot in the Big XII title game. The Big XII and SEC title games are our national semifinals and winners move on. Everyone wins.

 

 

 

Sorry TT.

 

yeah i'm pretty sure that isn't allowed.

 

It's not that hard to not show up.

 

trust me, they wont.

[Derwood]

So for some reason is Mizzou were to beat up OU, who would join the winner of Florida/Bama in the NC game? USC? It will probably be Texas but they didn't even win their conference (albeit by screwy rules). It should be USC

 

I don't care if Texas didn't win their conference, they absolutely would belong there ahead of USC.

 

Why USC ahead of Penn State?

USC is better.

 

when has that ever been a factor? :wink:

[TruffleShuffle]

The real answer here is Gary Pinkel doing the honorable thing and saying that because his team lost to Texas and embarrassed themselves by losing to Kansas that they will give Texas their spot in the Big XII title game. The Big XII and SEC title games are our national semifinals and winners move on. Everyone wins.

 

 

 

Sorry TT.

 

yeah i'm pretty sure that isn't allowed.

 

It's not that hard to not show up.

 

and texas will just mysteriously be in kansas city, and the big xii will strangely let them play a football game against oklahoma even though they're in the same division as oklahoma.

[B]

Both columnists in ESPN.com's weekly bowl projections are now projecting North Carolina State as an opponent for Ball State in the Motor City Bowl. Its supposed to be MAC vs. Big 10, but with Ohio State expected to get an at-large BCS bid and everyone else in the Big 10 moving up a rung that would leave them one qualifier short when it comes to the Motor City Bowl.

 

That's the bowl most likely to have the BSU v. BSU game. Rick Chryst the MAC Commish said he is talking to WAC commish and Motor City Bowl guys to get it done but Boise is resisting because they want it to played at their home field (sound scared to me). Both schools are in talks right now and Ball State has already said no to playing it in Boise. It's still unlikely but its really up to a bowl to step up and ignore tie-ins or Boise to quit demanding it be played in Boise.

The Independence Bowl that Andy mentioned previously would be a good fit because both conference tie-ins fell short of having enough teams qualify to fill all of their slots. The game is supposed to be Big 12 vs. SEC, but Colorado (after losing to Nebraska) and Auburn (after losing to Alabama) are both ineligible, leaving both conferences short. From what I've read Ball State is willing to play in a bowl at a neutral site but it's Boise State that's balking (unless it were to play TCU).

Louisiana Tech is most likely going to the Indy Bowl. They're not gonna trade it to travel some place half across the country when they can play 70 miles from home.

[Guest]

The goal should be to outgain Notre Dame's 95 offensive yards. Not being shutout would be the cherry on top.

[Mephistopheles]

Wow, the Billingsley computers a frickin joke.

[shnsajax]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

[Derwood]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

 

It wouldn't accomplish anything. The NCAA LOVES the controversy....it makes people interested

[B]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

Did it accomplish anything last time they did it?

[Guest]

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/35288489.html

 

$20 million buyout!? Notre Dame needs to invest in better contract negotiators.

[shnsajax]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

Did it accomplish anything last time they did it?

 

I think their will be a lot more anger this time around considering the # of schools involved. The only saving grace the BCS has this season is if Bama wins out. Assuming that doesn't happen the Champion will have one loss along with potentially 4-5 other schools, and currently 3 other undefeated teams. This number will drop a little bit, but it could involve almost every major conference this time around and a couple of minor ones too.

 

A current +1 fix is not very difficult to accomplish keeping all the bowls the way they are, and even using the current BCS system.

[Mephistopheles]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

 

In this week's Billingsley...

 

1. Bama 325.9 (320.3 last week)

2. OU 322.9 (314.4 last week)

3. Florida 314.7 (307.7 last week)

4. Texas 313.2 (311.8 last week)

 

I have done some digging on Billingsley's weekly ratings:

 

First of all, understand that Billingsley gives and takes away points each week that you play. If you are off, your point value stays the same, regardless of what your opponents do. Here is how it works.

 

Since OU played Chattanooga in week 1, they got their little bump for playing someone, and then what Chattanooga did in Weeks 2-12 has no bearing on OU's rating.

 

In other words, what a team does after you play them is not taken into account.

 

Billingsley gives you points (or takes away points) every week depending on who you play. If you play good teams early and bad teams late, you get clobbered in this system. Conversely, play good teams late and bad teams early, and you do quite well. If we were a victim of anything, it was the order of the conference schedule. (And OU not being penalized for playing I-AA opponents.)

 

For comparison:

When we lost to undefeated Tech in Lubbock in the Billingsley, we lost 22 points because Billingsley manually makes sure that for one week, the team that wins has to be ranked above the team that loses. We had racked up so many points that the one loss absolutely killed us.

 

When OU lost to us on a neutral field? OU lost 3 points...that's it..3 points...Why? We were already close in the computers so he didnt have to move us very far. But that also means there are huge inequitable point swings versus common opponents as the season progresses.

 

That's already a 19 point discrepancy between just those two games.

 

(We are 9 points behind OU today in the Billingsley that determined our Big 12 South fate.)

 

Remember, Billingsley's ranking system is cumulative..so we lost a net 19 points in that transaction.

 

When we beat Baylor, we picked up 1.5 points. When OU beat Baylor, they picked up 3+. Why? Because Baylor had more losses when they played us and whatever they do after OU doesn't matter to OU, but it sure matters to us, at least until they play us. Another net loss of points for us.

 

WHEN you play someone matters in the Billingsley. BIG TIME. Playing Chattanooga didnt hurt OU's rating at all. In fact, Florida got fewer points for beating Citadel in November than OU received for beating Chattanooga in Week 1. Head to Head? Citadel 24, Chattanooga 21, but that doesn't matter at all. OU had already played them.

 

When OU beat A&M, it was earlier than our game vs A&M, so OU got more points (+4) than we did (+1.4) because we played them late and Aggy had lost more games after the OU game. Another net point loss based solely on the order of games on the Big 12 schedule.

 

When it comes down to single points in computer rankings, to be handing out tens of points inequitably for beating the same teams is just absurd.

 

If you are going to take a critical look at fairness in the BCS computer rankings, you can start with one that has subjective adjustments each week.

 

If you value Billingsley's contributions as a fan fine, give him a Harris vote. Let his vote reflect his archaic rating system. But don't let it determine 1/3 of the BCS formula.

 

One last item. If the points we lost for losing to Tech on the road by 6, and the points that OU lost for losing to us on a neutral field by 10 were equal, (In other words, take the 19 point discrepancy out and penalize us equally.) we finish first in the Billingsley and OU finishes 4th.

 

If that had happened, it would have completely wiped out OU's computer advantage, and by 5 human votes we would be in Kansas City on Saturday.

 

That is how screwed up this system is.

[Guest]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

 

For comparison:

When we lost to undefeated Tech in Lubbock in the Billingsley, we lost 22 points because Billingsley manually makes sure that for one week, the team that wins has to be ranked above the team that loses. We had racked up so many points that the one loss absolutely killed us.

 

When OU lost to us on a neutral field? OU lost 3 points...that's it..3 points...Why? We were already close in the computers so he didnt have to move us very far. But that also means there are huge inequitable point swings versus common opponents as the season progresses.

 

That's already a 19 point discrepancy between just those two games.

 

...

 

One last item. If the points we lost for losing to Tech on the road by 6, and the points that OU lost for losing to us on a neutral field by 10 were equal, (In other words, take the 19 point discrepancy out and penalize us equally.) we finish first in the Billingsley and OU finishes 4th.

 

If that had happened, it would have completely wiped out OU's computer advantage, and by 5 human votes we would be in Kansas City on Saturday.

 

That is how screwed up this system is.

 

What's not clear in this explanation is if the "must be ranked ahead" clause that caused Texas to lose 22 points after the loss applies to every team or just teams who have the same number of losses or are ranked pretty close already in the standings. What I'm saying is that if hypothetically a 0-10 team beat a 10-0 team, would he have to rank the now 1-10 team ahead of the now 10-1 team. It's still kind of ridiculous the way the rankings are compiled anyway but it's downright absurd if the rankings do follow what I said in my last sentence.

[Derwood]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

Did it accomplish anything last time they did it?

 

I think their will be a lot more anger this time around considering the # of schools involved. The only saving grace the BCS has this season is if Bama wins out. Assuming that doesn't happen the Champion will have one loss along with potentially 4-5 other schools, and currently 3 other undefeated teams. This number will drop a little bit, but it could involve almost every major conference this time around and a couple of minor ones too.

 

A current +1 fix is not very difficult to accomplish keeping all the bowls the way they are, and even using the current BCS system.

 

you'd have to find a place for the two teams in the current BCS Title Game, since that wouldn't be the title game anymore. In other words, another bowl game would have to be created, or two fewer teams would make bowl games under a +1 system.

 

also, they'll bitch day and night about travel/media issues when you don't know what teams are playing until a week out. Yes, this happens in other sprots all the time, but it'll still come up

[CubbieBum]

Both columnists in ESPN.com's weekly bowl projections are now projecting North Carolina State as an opponent for Ball State in the Motor City Bowl. Its supposed to be MAC vs. Big 10, but with Ohio State expected to get an at-large BCS bid and everyone else in the Big 10 moving up a rung that would leave them one qualifier short when it comes to the Motor City Bowl.

 

That's the bowl most likely to have the BSU v. BSU game. Rick Chryst the MAC Commish said he is talking to WAC commish and Motor City Bowl guys to get it done but Boise is resisting because they want it to played at their home field (sound scared to me). Both schools are in talks right now and Ball State has already said no to playing it in Boise. It's still unlikely but its really up to a bowl to step up and ignore tie-ins or Boise to quit demanding it be played in Boise.

The Independence Bowl that Andy mentioned previously would be a good fit because both conference tie-ins fell short of having enough teams qualify to fill all of their slots. The game is supposed to be Big 12 vs. SEC, but Colorado (after losing to Nebraska) and Auburn (after losing to Alabama) are both ineligible, leaving both conferences short. From what I've read Ball State is willing to play in a bowl at a neutral site but it's Boise State that's balking (unless it were to play TCU).

Louisiana Tech is most likely going to the Indy Bowl. They're not gonna trade it to travel some place half across the country when they can play 70 miles from home.

 

The bowl can invite who ever they want. Its not Louisiana Tech's to trade.

[imb]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

 

In this week's Billingsley...

 

1. Bama 325.9 (320.3 last week)

2. OU 322.9 (314.4 last week)

3. Florida 314.7 (307.7 last week)

4. Texas 313.2 (311.8 last week)

 

I have done some digging on Billingsley's weekly ratings:

 

First of all, understand that Billingsley gives and takes away points each week that you play. If you are off, your point value stays the same, regardless of what your opponents do. Here is how it works.

 

Since OU played Chattanooga in week 1, they got their little bump for playing someone, and then what Chattanooga did in Weeks 2-12 has no bearing on OU's rating.

 

In other words, what a team does after you play them is not taken into account.

 

Billingsley gives you points (or takes away points) every week depending on who you play. If you play good teams early and bad teams late, you get clobbered in this system. Conversely, play good teams late and bad teams early, and you do quite well. If we were a victim of anything, it was the order of the conference schedule. (And OU not being penalized for playing I-AA opponents.)

 

For comparison:

When we lost to undefeated Tech in Lubbock in the Billingsley, we lost 22 points because Billingsley manually makes sure that for one week, the team that wins has to be ranked above the team that loses. We had racked up so many points that the one loss absolutely killed us.

 

When OU lost to us on a neutral field? OU lost 3 points...that's it..3 points...Why? We were already close in the computers so he didnt have to move us very far. But that also means there are huge inequitable point swings versus common opponents as the season progresses.

 

That's already a 19 point discrepancy between just those two games.

 

(We are 9 points behind OU today in the Billingsley that determined our Big 12 South fate.)

 

Remember, Billingsley's ranking system is cumulative..so we lost a net 19 points in that transaction.

 

When we beat Baylor, we picked up 1.5 points. When OU beat Baylor, they picked up 3+. Why? Because Baylor had more losses when they played us and whatever they do after OU doesn't matter to OU, but it sure matters to us, at least until they play us. Another net loss of points for us.

 

WHEN you play someone matters in the Billingsley. BIG TIME. Playing Chattanooga didnt hurt OU's rating at all. In fact, Florida got fewer points for beating Citadel in November than OU received for beating Chattanooga in Week 1. Head to Head? Citadel 24, Chattanooga 21, but that doesn't matter at all. OU had already played them.

 

When OU beat A&M, it was earlier than our game vs A&M, so OU got more points (+4) than we did (+1.4) because we played them late and Aggy had lost more games after the OU game. Another net point loss based solely on the order of games on the Big 12 schedule.

 

When it comes down to single points in computer rankings, to be handing out tens of points inequitably for beating the same teams is just absurd.

 

If you are going to take a critical look at fairness in the BCS computer rankings, you can start with one that has subjective adjustments each week.

 

If you value Billingsley's contributions as a fan fine, give him a Harris vote. Let his vote reflect his archaic rating system. But don't let it determine 1/3 of the BCS formula.

 

One last item. If the points we lost for losing to Tech on the road by 6, and the points that OU lost for losing to us on a neutral field by 10 were equal, (In other words, take the 19 point discrepancy out and penalize us equally.) we finish first in the Billingsley and OU finishes 4th.

 

If that had happened, it would have completely wiped out OU's computer advantage, and by 5 human votes we would be in Kansas City on Saturday.

 

That is how screwed up this system is.

 

I love it

[shnsajax]

I do like all the hell the BCS is getting right now. The AP awarding a different national champion would be great, and could accomplish a lot.

Did it accomplish anything last time they did it?

 

I think their will be a lot more anger this time around considering the # of schools involved. The only saving grace the BCS has this season is if Bama wins out. Assuming that doesn't happen the Champion will have one loss along with potentially 4-5 other schools, and currently 3 other undefeated teams. This number will drop a little bit, but it could involve almost every major conference this time around and a couple of minor ones too.

 

A current +1 fix is not very difficult to accomplish keeping all the bowls the way they are, and even using the current BCS system.

 

you'd have to find a place for the two teams in the current BCS Title Game, since that wouldn't be the title game anymore. In other words, another bowl game would have to be created, or two fewer teams would make bowl games under a +1 system.

 

also, they'll bitch day and night about travel/media issues when you don't know what teams are playing until a week out. Yes, this happens in other sprots all the time, but it'll still come up

 

I'm fine with two fewer teams making the BCS game. I really don't care too much about the 9th & 10th ranked teams when trying to determine a NC. Will someone get screwed, yes. Will the 5th ranked team in the BCS bitch about it, yes.

 

With 4 teams playing in BCS games that count as a semi-final they can make contingency plans to travel the following week. Its not like they don't have a month to figure it all out anyway.

[Andy]

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/35288489.html

 

$20 million buyout!? Notre Dame needs to invest in better contract negotiators.

What a bunch of freaking idiots. Someone needs to get Hesburgh and Rosenthal back as president and AD because everything's gone to crap since they left.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/35288489.html

 

$20 million buyout!? Notre Dame needs to invest in better contract negotiators.

What a bunch of freaking idiots. Someone needs to get Hesburgh and Rosenthal back as president and AD because everything's gone to crap since they left.

 

The buyout can't be much more than the actual value of the contract. Madness.

[shnsajax]

I think everyone should guess how many points Florida is going to win by.

 

I am going to go with 20.

[Mephistopheles]

11

 

28-17

[CubInOK]

I think Richard Billingsley lives just a few miles north of the Red River.