Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[UMFan83]

if the whole issue with the deal falling through was that the padres wanted a 6-for-1 or 7-for-1 or whatever, then the deal is going to fall through with everyone.

 

no one is going to give up seven cuckolding players for jake peavy. it doesn't matter if peavy agrees to waive his ntc in full, he's not going anywhere if towers is demanding 7 players. and if it gets to the point where towers has to lower his demands, well, we're back in front because it's clear that hendry and towers like each other.

 

I would think that if teams were offering higher quality players than the Cubs were offering it wouldnt be a 6-for-1 or 7-for-1 deal. But then again most teams don't have the depth to offer 3 top 100 prospects in a trade for anyone, and if they did they would all hesitate to give them up for one pitcher.

[robnail]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

[Cynosure]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

[UMFan83]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Ugh, this might be a valid argument 3 years ago.

 

There is a difference between caring and being stupid.

[17 Seconds]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

It doesn't matter how good Peavy is. If you're giving up too much, you're giving up too much.

 

Also I don't know why you're talking about money when it had nothing to do with this.

 

Vitters/Pie/Marshall/Derosa/Marquis/Hart or something similar to that would have been a bad trade...no doubt about it. Put you emotions aside and try to understand that.

[UMFan83]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

 

Harden

[17 Seconds]

Also I think it's funny when people whine about owners when we have an enormous payroll

[David]

People are stupid.

[Abe Frohman]

Getting Peavy is one thing, taking on his salary at the cost of a great prospect and some decent Major Leaguers is another. Giving up Vitters, DeRosa, Marshall, and Marquis is a lot of talent. Yes, you get one of the best pitchers in the NL - but that is a lot to give up when you are also taking on a potentially back-breaking contract.

 

I doubt this possible trade is overwith, and I am satisfied with the work Hendry has done the past few years. He has definately led the Cubs in the right direction, and I am sure there are some big transactions yet to come.

 

Part of being a Cub fan is having faith (or being stupid). Wait until Spring Training rolls around to get upset....

[Cynosure]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

 

To add some substance here, these are the players we're taking a big risk and sacrificing money/talent to put together a better team. Our team last year COULD have won a championship... they won 97 games for God's sake.

 

THE PLAYERS DIDN'T PERFORM DURING A CRUCIAL TIME...

 

I don't wanna hear any kind of BS from a Cubs fan saying they won't go to a game until the management want's to win... I think it's been pretty freaking obvious.

[cubswin2009]

Why haven't we talked about getting Juan Cruz? He'd be a nice bullpen arm and a possible 6th or 7th starter (If 1 or 2 guys goes down aka Randy Johnson and Harden)

[Cubswin11]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

 

Harden

Re-signing/trading for Ramirez

Whether you think he produces enough or not the Lee trade was great and we resigned him for a reasonable amount coming off a career year

Lilly signing 4@40 was considered a large deal for a pitcher at the time

I would expect the Cubs to sign Soto long term when the time comes, assuming he continues to be a steady offensive player/stays healthy.

[Cynosure]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

 

Harden

Re-signing/trading for Ramirez

Whether you think he produces enough or not the Lee trade was great and we resigned him for a reasonable amount coming off a career year

Lilly signing 4@40 was considered a large deal for a pitcher at the time

I would expect the Cubs to sign Soto long term when the time comes, assuming he continues to be a steady offensive player/stays healthy.

 

Well the Ramirez deal was highway robbery. We didn't know he'd turn out like he did... but I agree with re-signing.

[Cubswin11]

I came here ready to go on a long rant about how this is the last straw and I'm not setting foot in Wrigley Field until the Cubs show the same desire to win a championship as the Yankees and Mets and Red Sox and blah, blah, blah. Then I realized that I should not have expected anything less than a debacle in the Tribune Company's (fingers crossed) final off-season. To turn away one of the game's best pitchers who WANTS to come and play for YOU is so unforgivable. Yet I hold out hope that the next owner will care as much as we do, albeit with much deeper pockets. I'm a Cubs fan. I hope. Whatever.

 

Alfonso Soriano

Rich Harden

Re signing Zambrano

Lou Piniella

Fukudome (before we knew hot crappy he'd be this year)

 

Harden

Re-signing/trading for Ramirez

Whether you think he produces enough or not the Lee trade was great and we resigned him for a reasonable amount coming off a career year

Lilly signing 4@40 was considered a large deal for a pitcher at the time

I would expect the Cubs to sign Soto long term when the time comes, assuming he continues to be a steady offensive player/stays healthy.

 

Well the Ramirez deal was highway robbery. We didn't know he'd turn out like he did... but I agree with re-signing.

Yeah but at the time Hill was still considered to be an everyday 2B, and I posted that just to show that Hendry has pulled off a lot of moves/committed a lot of money to being competitive. I agree with you that it's crazy that people think the ownership/GM isn't committed to winning. Hendry has brought in top flight players through FA/trades the last few seasons and we have had good, competitive teams. Like you said the players haven't shown up when it has mattered.

[abuck1220]

 

do you not realize the upgrade of marquis to peavy is worth much more than the downgrade from kevin hart to atkins?

 

yes, the bullpen gets worse if you trade marshall or whatever. but the rotation gets much, much better. and you can't just assume the rotation boost is equal to the bullpen loss because that's insane.

 

Gee, I wonder why you are picking out the worst guys of the proposed package as your example? Could it be because you have a crap argument?

 

Hart is what our 8th starter? You are absolutely correct, losing him would not hurt this team. However, unfortunately for the validity of your point, and for the Cubs, the Padres are asking for more than just Kevin Hart.

 

Losing DeRosa would be a big blow to the team. He was exceptionally good offensively last year, and very good the two prior years. Additionally, his versatility gives the Cubs a lot of options. We don't need to get a guy who can play 3B, incase ARam goes down. We can sign Bradley and not have to worry about him getting injured because DeRo could replace him. Fontenot had a great year last year, but it was in limited time and when he was put in situations to succeed. I like him, but to think he'd be a lock to approach DeRos #s is foolish. Additionally, moving him from the bench to starting 2b takes away one of your better pinch hitters and your middle infield depth, so you'd have to replace that too.

 

Losing Marshall would be a big blow to the depth of the pitching. He has shown that he can be successful out of the pen or in the rotation. With an injury risk like Harden in the rotation, losing our 6th starter would mean instead of going from a top 5 starter in Harden to an average starter in Marshall, we'd (skipping over Hart and Guzman because they were traded too) have to rely on Gaudin, Shark and God knows who after him.

 

Pie and Cedeno I don't mind losing one bit. I don't think they'll be big contributors to the major league team (even if there are injuries) and have long lost their prospect luster. You can sign a back up SS for a mil or so that can replicate Cedeno's production and we already have Johnson to back up CF.

 

Vitters I also don't mind losing. He obviously has a lot of value and is a great prospect, but his value to the Cubs is really as a trading chip, and thats what he'd be used for here.

 

Not long ago we were talking about this deal without DeRosa and things sounded like they were progressing pretty well, even to the point where the "general framework" of the deal was in place. Frankly, that means to me that its not DeRosa as a player that is the issue, its DeRosa's paycheck that is. In that case, I'd much rather trade Kevin Gregg and retain DeRosa (or go back in time and never have traded for Gregg in the first place). Losing Marshall hurts, but I think its palatable, however losing DeRosa isn't.

 

AND WE WOULD HAVE JAKE PEAVY.

 

you're not going to get jake peavy w/o sacrificing something from your current team. losing derosa would hurt, but, again, WE WOULD HAVE JAKE PEAVY.

[17 Seconds]

Yes and jake Peavy is a god and worth every player known to man

 

who cares about anything else. WE'D HAVE JAKE PEAVY

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What'd we say, 3 wins difference between Peavy and Marquis? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from DeRosa to whoever(since we're trading Cedeno too), even if he only plays a supersub role with the addition of Bradley? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from Marshall to Gaudin as the swingman, especially with the corresponding weakening of an already weakened pen? Plus we're giving up Pie, Vitters, Guzman, Hart, and anyone else who has an Iowa Cubs hat laying around for the privilege of Peavy's contract and injury history?

[shnsajax]

We would have Peavy, but if we have any injury problems during the season and needed to make a trade during the break we would have nothing left.

 

I do wish the trade was done, but I understand it was become excessive. If this trade happens 1-2 months from now for less, then all of this was worth it.

[Clem Fandango]

Why haven't we talked about getting Juan Cruz? He'd be a nice bullpen arm and a possible 6th or 7th starter (If 1 or 2 guys goes down aka Randy Johnson and Harden)

 

He's a Type A free agent, and declined arby. He'd cost us draft picks

[abuck1220]

What'd we say, 3 wins difference between Peavy and Marquis? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from DeRosa to whoever(since we're trading Cedeno too), even if he only plays a supersub role with the addition of Bradley? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from Marshall to Gaudin as the swingman, especially with the corresponding weakening of an already weakened pen? Plus we're giving up Pie, Vitters, Guzman, Hart, and anyone else who has an Iowa Cubs hat laying around for the privilege of Peavy's contract and injury history?

 

if the difference between marquis and peavy is three wins, then the difference between gaudin and marshall is like .04 wins.

[Cynosure]

What'd we say, 3 wins difference between Peavy and Marquis? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from DeRosa to whoever(since we're trading Cedeno too), even if he only plays a supersub role with the addition of Bradley? Is it hard to imagine a 1 win dropoff from Marshall to Gaudin as the swingman, especially with the corresponding weakening of an already weakened pen? Plus we're giving up Pie, Vitters, Guzman, Hart, and anyone else who has an Iowa Cubs hat laying around for the privilege of Peavy's contract and injury history?

 

if the difference between marquis and peavy is three wins, then the difference between gaudin and marshall is like .04 wins.

 

If 1 of the 3 came during the World Series, it's worth it :)

[abuck1220]

yeah, i'm not as concerned about going from 97 wins to 103...the cubs probably win the division w/o peavy. i want peavy for games 163 and beyond.

[17 Seconds]

yeah, i'm not as concerned about going from 97 wins to 103...the cubs probably win the division w/o peavy. i want peavy for games 163 and beyond.

 

if that's the case, aren't you a little concerned about him sucking ass in every playoff game he's started?

[RammyFanny]

Axelrod is quoted as saying "We'd at least listen" to the Angels.

[JWCUB]

I just listened to what Towers said, you can hear on xx1090. They asked about Peavy and wated Gonoz included in the deal and Towers shot it down. Saying I trade both of them then he would need a job with the Angels.

 

 

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