Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[erik316wttn]

Surprised to see no news yet today. I understand Hendry's posturing, but there is no way that he lets this deal get away.

 

Don't be too confident.

 

Has years of Cubs fandom taught you nothing? Never believe this team is going to do anything--- make the playoffs, acquire a player, win a game-- until it actually happens.

[C.C.]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Cynosure]

Surprised to see no news yet today. I understand Hendry's posturing, but there is no way that he lets this deal get away.

 

Don't know if it's been mentioned over night, but on a sportscenter on EPSN1000 this morning it said the Padres said the deal has to get done today.

[erik316wttn]

Surprised to see no news yet today. I understand Hendry's posturing, but there is no way that he lets this deal get away.

 

Don't know if it's been mentioned over night, but on a sportscenter on EPSN1000 this morning it said the Padres said the deal has to get done today.

 

If that's the case, I'll put money on Peavy staying in SD.

[Soul]

Towers sure doesn't believe in playing things close to the vest does he.

 

 

“I told the Cubs, tomorrow is the day,” Padres general manager Kevin Towers said.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Surprised to see no news yet today. I understand Hendry's posturing, but there is no way that he lets this deal get away.

 

Don't be too confident.

 

Has years of Cubs fandom taught you nothing? Never believe this team is going to do anything--- make the playoffs, acquire a player, win a game-- until it actually happens.

 

Its not even 7:00 there. Hendry is probably just now waking up and noticng hes lying between a show girl and a half eaten rib eye.

[erik316wttn]

And I was really looking forward to getting a Cubs Peavy jersey-tee for Christmas. :(

[Little Slide Rooter]

Due to Hendrys track record, I still have faith that it will happen.

[JeffH]

Surprised to see no news yet today. I understand Hendry's posturing, but there is no way that he lets this deal get away.

 

Don't be too confident.

 

Has years of Cubs fandom taught you nothing? Never believe this team is going to do anything--- make the playoffs, acquire a player, win a game-- until it actually happens.

 

Its not even 7:00 there. Hendry is probably just now waking up and noticng hes lying between a show girl and a half eaten rib eye.

 

Or between an empty plate and a half eaten show girl.

[ctcf]

And I was really looking forward to getting a Cubs Peavy jersey-tee for Christmas. :(

 

Go take a deep breath please.

[erik316wttn]

And I was really looking forward to getting a Cubs Peavy jersey-tee for Christmas. :(

 

Go take a deep breath please.

 

All I'm saying is that I'm willing to bet that by the time I go to bed tonight, Jake Peavy will not be a Cub. There's just too much information out there saying that a deal isn't close. Feel free to throw this post back in my face if I'm wrong.

 

If it doesn't happen, blame CT.

[RyneDawson]

I disagree. I think the deal is very close. Both guys are just trying to gain leverage by saying "oh were giving up too much", or "you have until today to get a deal done." It is very close, and it wont fall apart cuz of some minor detail. I think it will get done. Will Peavy be a Cub by the end of the day?? No probably not. But will they have a deal in place, yeah i think so.

[Jehrico]

I'm starting to doubt this will get done and i've lost a lot of respect for some writers depending on who gets the story right because it seems like chicago writers are saying it will get done but national media like ESPN keep saying its unlikely or too many hurdles, etc. I think to today we'll hear significant news, we might even see a breaking news report saying the trade went down. Once the Rule V is over, we'll know something. I dont think we'll get important news until 7pm or so.

That is a bit absurd. Don't you realize that there are competing entities feeding the media? Both organizations have guys who intentionally "leak" what the organization wants leaked for the purpose of gaining leverage in negotiations and controlling fans expectations. Then there are other insiders who are passing on the real stories. That's not to mention the fact that things change, and some sources who aren't leaking as part of the plan, have information that may or may not be as recent as they think it is. A reporter could have a legitimate, honest insider and pass on information that ends up being wrong. If you expect rumors to be independently verified or something like that in this type of situation, then you get no information until the deal is done. You've got to consider the motivations and the role in the negotiating process all of this plays, and always take things with a grain of salt.

 

Reporters shouldn't be held liable for a reported rumor not coming to fruition. Hell, look at the BR fiasco last year. BR himself thought he was going to be a Cub for sure it was so far along. The fact that it didn't happen doesn't mean that reporters who said it was imminent were full of [expletive]. If a reporter constantly gets the party line from a source and fails to realize that his source is using him to get out what his organization wants out (i.e. the reporter fails to continually validate the credibility of his source), then that reporters deserves to lose respect. Not because of how difficult in wading through the glut of information and misinformation from both sides over fluid, evolving negotiations. That's ridiculous.

 

If anything, when a major deal like this is in the public eye, both organizations kick their misinformation operations into overdrive. In this particular situation, too much of the Padres situation is known (owners divorce, order to cut payroll to $40 mil, Peavy's full NTC and his preferences), so the only real leverage tool that Towers has is misinformation. When you have both teams working misinformation as part of the negotiation process, you're going to get alot of conflicting reports like we've had the last few days. It should be expected.

Edited December 11, 2008 by Jehrico

[UMFan83]

These teams have talked enough that all 3-4 teams should know what the other sides want. Theres no real need to discuss other players/terms/money etc. Right now its just a matter of all sides agreeing to the trade IMO. If they don't then either the trade dies, or it gets put on the backburner until someone budges. Everything I've read suggests that despite other moves, Jake has to go this offseason, so no matter how many times Towers imposes a deadline, Towers will eventually have to blink.

[ctcf]

And I was really looking forward to getting a Cubs Peavy jersey-tee for Christmas. :(

 

Go take a deep breath please.

 

All I'm saying is that I'm willing to bet that by the time I go to bed tonight, Jake Peavy will not be a Cub. There's just too much information out there saying that a deal isn't close. Feel free to throw this post back in my face if I'm wrong.

 

If it doesn't happen, blame CT.

 

I really don't believe the actual deal has to happen today. And that people should probably calm down just a tad.

[Soul]

Nodoby knows what's going to happen. Probably not even Hendry and Towers.

 

I'm excited about a big deal possibly in the works, but we've seen this movie before. It's not done until it's done.

[Sever82]

I'm starting to doubt this will get done and i've lost a lot of respect for some writers depending on who gets the story right because it seems like chicago writers are saying it will get done but national media like ESPN keep saying its unlikely or too many hurdles, etc. I think to today we'll hear significant news, we might even see a breaking news report saying the trade went down. Once the Rule V is over, we'll know something. I dont think we'll get important news until 7pm or so.

That is a bit absurd. Don't you realize that there are competing entities feeding the media? Both organizations have guys who intentionally "leak" what the organization wants leaked for the purpose of gaining leverage in negotiations and controlling fans expectations. Then there are other insiders who are passing on the real stories. That's not to mention the fact that things change, and some sources who aren't leaking as part of the plan, have information that may or may not be as recent as they think it is. A reporter could have a legitimate, honest insider and pass on information that ends up being wrong. If you expect rumors to be independently verified or something like that in this type of situation, then you get no information until the deal is done. You've got to consider the motivations and the role in the negotiating process all of this plays, and always take things with a grain of salt.

 

Reporters shouldn't be held liable for a reported rumor not coming to fruition. Hell, look at the BR fiasco last year. BR himself thought he was going to be a Cub for sure it was so far along. The fact that it didn't happen doesn't mean that reporters who said it was imminent were full of Veterans Committee. If a reporter constantly gets the party line from a source and fails to realize that his source is using him to get out what his organization wants out (i.e. the reporter fails to continually validate the credibility of his source), then that reporters deserves to lose respect. Not because of how difficult in wading through the glut of information and misinformation from both sides over fluid, evolving negotiations. That's ridiculous.

 

If anything, when a major deal like this is in the public eye, both organizations kick their misinformation operations into overdrive. In this particular situation, too much of the Padres situation is known (owners divorce, order to cut payroll to $40 mil, Peavy's full NTC and his preferences), so the only real leverage tool that Towers has is misinformation. When you have both teams working misinformation as part of the negotiation process, you're going to get alot of conflicting reports like we've had the last few days. It should be expected.

 

Reporters should be held accountable for what they put out there. If you have a reporter that hears something that they know isn't true, they'll put it out there just to put it out there. I can bet money on that at one point during this trade discussion some writer put out a report saying the deal is all but done when they knew they had nothing to base it on but just put it out there to grab attention. A lot of writers have basically repeated what other writers have said and just put their own twist to it. I have a good amount of respect for Bruce because he hasn't put out a report that jumped to a conclusion, even when he puts opinions into his article we can tell its just an opinion from him. I mean you have someone like Jayson Stark or Philips who puts out an article that is reiterating what another writer wrote but take credit for it. I'm just tired of so many writers putting out anything they hear even its from Towers' Bell boy.

[C.C.]

Nodoby knows what's going to happen. Probably not even Hendry and Towers.

 

I'm excited about a big deal possibly in the works, but we've seen this movie before. It's not done until it's done.

 

It ain't over until it's over.

[Tedward]

Nodoby knows what's going to happen. Probably not even Hendry and Towers.

 

I'm excited about a big deal possibly in the works, but we've seen this movie before. It's not done until it's done.

 

It ain't over until it's over.

 

That's right Yogi

[javy knows my name]

Nodoby knows what's going to happen. Probably not even Hendry and Towers.

 

I'm excited about a big deal possibly in the works, but we've seen this movie before. It's not done until it's done.

 

It ain't over until it's over.

 

That's right Yogi

what does yogi bear have to do with anything?

[C.C.]

I guess the jokes didn't improve overnight.

[Jehrico]

I'm starting to doubt this will get done and i've lost a lot of respect for some writers depending on who gets the story right because it seems like chicago writers are saying it will get done but national media like ESPN keep saying its unlikely or too many hurdles, etc. I think to today we'll hear significant news, we might even see a breaking news report saying the trade went down. Once the Rule V is over, we'll know something. I dont think we'll get important news until 7pm or so.

That is a bit absurd. Don't you realize that there are competing entities feeding the media? Both organizations have guys who intentionally "leak" what the organization wants leaked for the purpose of gaining leverage in negotiations and controlling fans expectations. Then there are other insiders who are passing on the real stories. That's not to mention the fact that things change, and some sources who aren't leaking as part of the plan, have information that may or may not be as recent as they think it is. A reporter could have a legitimate, honest insider and pass on information that ends up being wrong. If you expect rumors to be independently verified or something like that in this type of situation, then you get no information until the deal is done. You've got to consider the motivations and the role in the negotiating process all of this plays, and always take things with a grain of salt.

 

Reporters shouldn't be held liable for a reported rumor not coming to fruition. Hell, look at the BR fiasco last year. BR himself thought he was going to be a Cub for sure it was so far along. The fact that it didn't happen doesn't mean that reporters who said it was imminent were full of Veterans Committee. If a reporter constantly gets the party line from a source and fails to realize that his source is using him to get out what his organization wants out (i.e. the reporter fails to continually validate the credibility of his source), then that reporters deserves to lose respect. Not because of how difficult in wading through the glut of information and misinformation from both sides over fluid, evolving negotiations. That's ridiculous.

 

If anything, when a major deal like this is in the public eye, both organizations kick their misinformation operations into overdrive. In this particular situation, too much of the Padres situation is known (owners divorce, order to cut payroll to $40 mil, Peavy's full NTC and his preferences), so the only real leverage tool that Towers has is misinformation. When you have both teams working misinformation as part of the negotiation process, you're going to get alot of conflicting reports like we've had the last few days. It should be expected.

 

Reporters should be held accountable for what they put out there. If you have a reporter that hears something that they know isn't true, they'll put it out there just to put it out there. I can bet money on that at one point during this trade discussion some writer put out a report saying the deal is all but done when they knew they had nothing to base it on but just put it out there to grab attention. A lot of writers have basically repeated what other writers have said and just put their own twist to it. I have a good amount of respect for Bruce because he hasn't put out a report that jumped to a conclusion, even when he puts opinions into his article we can tell its just an opinion from him. I mean you have someone like Jayson Stark or Philips who puts out an article that is reiterating what another writer wrote but take credit for it. I'm just tired of so many writers putting out anything they hear even its from Towers' Bell boy.

So what do you want reporters to do? It's rare that a GM will actually give details the way Towers does. Are they not supposed to report what he's saying then? I think you really have no understanding how the business works. You're also acting like most of these guys are reporting what is going to happen. If you reread most of these, they are simply saying things such as "sources close to the negotiations think a deal is very close" or something like that. Even if it's second hand reporting. Some of these guys you're lambasting work for papers who won't pay to send them to the meetings, but went them to report what they can, so all they can write about is what information is coming out of the meetings from other sources. How are you going to hold a reporter responsible when it doesn't happen, even though he reported the truth? Now, there is a small minority out there reporting second hand information as if they are getting it first hand. That's different, but that doesn't represent very much of the reporting going on here. Your expectations are ridiculous. Considering that neither Towers nor Hendry know for sure if this is really going to happen, I don't know why you expect a reporter to know any better and feed you an answer. You need to learn to be a little more objective when reading rumor reports and figuring out if you need to take them with a bit of salt. That's why all of these are called "rumors" and not "facts."

[Cubswin11]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

[gerby23]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

And is there a way to follow it?

[Cubswin11]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

And is there a way to follow it?

I would think it would be on the live MLB.TV coverage of the meetings, you know the time?