Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Guest]

I got an e-mail from Churchill today. Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it's still interesting.

 

Cubs' assistant told a friend of mine with the Marlins that they feel like they might have a shot at Peavy... apparently SD and CHIC are trying to get the Nationals, A's or White Sox involved.

 

He threw out a couple of ideas that they have bandied about over the past five days, including a 3-way with the White Sox that would, in theory, land the Cubs Peavy, SS Kahlil Green (6.5 mil in 09) and outfielder Jermaine Dye for Vitters, Pie, Veal and Cedeno. All would go to San Diego, as well as Sox right-hander John Ely or outfielder Jordan Danks. The White Sox would receive Kevin Hart from the Cubs and Kyle Blanks from the Padres.

 

The hang-up is the relationship between the two Chi front offices, and the Padres wanting more impact talent inr eturn for Peavy...

 

Hendry has also expressed strong interest in Javier Vazquez, but the pieces are tough to put together., there, too.

 

I'd be more likely to believe the Peavy/Greene/Dye thing if Dye wasn't mentioned. I can't imagine Hendry/Lou filling RF with a righty when they seem so obsessed with getting a lefty.

 

Technically, Jordan Danks can't be traded till the summer.

[Cubswin11]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Why must they torture us so? Why did we even trade Ceda, who a lot of teams would have been interested in for a 30 year old with 1 year left on his contract? If were going to do this, Josh Vitters will somehow be involved. Thats all fine and dandy, but 1 way or another, I need closure on this.

I know I just want something to happen to get it over with. What are some potential third teams?

Rays: Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson

Twins: Delmon Young

Royals: Zach Grienke

Pirates: Ian Snell maybe Zach Duke or Paul Maholm

[Cubswin11]

I think a Peavy trade leaves are farm pretty bare and with a win now additude hopefully the Cubs can add depth during free agency in areas because come deadline there isn't much to trade.

Well a trade would definitely do some damage to the farm, we could restock rather quick if we don't resign Dempster and someone is stupid enough to sign Howry. With the picks from those two and Wood we could have 4-5 picks in the top 80 next year. We also had a pretty solid draft this last year so we have a lot of guys who can't be traded right now but could be solid in a few years, like Jay Jackson, Cashner, Ryan Flaherty, Chris Carpenter, Aaron Shafer and we signed that Asian SS that is supposed to be good but I forgot his name, he got a signing bonus close to a mil.

[CUBZ99]

I think a Peavy trade leaves are farm pretty bare and with a win now additude hopefully the Cubs can add depth during free agency in areas because come deadline there isn't much to trade.

Well a trade would definitely do some damage to the farm, we could restock rather quick if we don't resign Dempster and someone is stupid enough to sign Howry. With the picks from those two and Wood we could have 4-5 picks in the top 80 next year. We also had a pretty solid draft this last year so we have a lot of guys who can't be traded right now but could be solid in a few years, like Jay Jackson, Cashner, Ryan Flaherty, Chris Carpenter, Aaron Shafer and we signed that Asian SS that is supposed to be good but I forgot his name, he got a signing bonus close to a mil.

 

I'm convinced that the Cubs should offer Howry arbitration. If he gets a better deal, the Cubs get two picks. If he accepts the Cubs offer they can see what type of shape he shows up in the spring, and if he is not in shape they can still dump him for relatively low cost.

[nilodnayr]

I got an e-mail from Churchill today. Who knows if there's any truth to this, but it's still interesting.

 

Cubs' assistant told a friend of mine with the Marlins that they feel like they might have a shot at Peavy... apparently SD and CHIC are trying to get the Nationals, A's or White Sox involved.

 

He threw out a couple of ideas that they have bandied about over the past five days, including a 3-way with the White Sox that would, in theory, land the Cubs Peavy, SS Kahlil Green (6.5 mil in 09) and outfielder Jermaine Dye for Vitters, Pie, Veal and Cedeno. All would go to San Diego, as well as Sox right-hander John Ely or outfielder Jordan Danks. The White Sox would receive Kevin Hart from the Cubs and Kyle Blanks from the Padres.

 

The hang-up is the relationship between the two Chi front offices, and the Padres wanting more impact talent inr eturn for Peavy...

 

Hendry has also expressed strong interest in Javier Vazquez, but the pieces are tough to put together., there, too.

 

I'd be more likely to believe the Peavy/Greene/Dye thing if Dye wasn't mentioned. I can't imagine Hendry/Lou filling RF with a righty when they seem so obsessed with getting a lefty.

 

Technically, Jordan Danks can't be traded till the summer.

 

And technically, Kenny and Jim have a very good relationship. And technically, why would the Padres trade one of their best position prospects in such a convoluted deal (even though he plays a blocked position). And technically, that would blow the Cubs payroll past 150M (assuming they bring back Dempster). And technically, Dye hits from the right side of the plate.

 

And technically, I'm not hating on dextermorgan at all. I'm just saying that trade makes LLF look like...well someone who works in the realm of reality.

 

P.S. Even though every single word preceding it negated virtually all credibility, I'd love for us to pick up Vazquez on the cheap rather than resigning Dempster.

[17 Seconds]

I'm not a mod... but I'd curb DeRosa trade talk to its own thread, unless you want this one locked eventually. :?

 

What? I posted DeRosa in this thread because the reason for doing so owuld be to get that extra necessary piece to get Peavy. Why would the mods lock it?

[17 Seconds]

The Padres arent going to want DeRosa. Nothing agaisnt DeRosa, but why would a rebuilding team trade one of the best pitchers in the game with 4 or 5 years left on his contract for super sub in the last year of his?

 

Reading comprehension is killing you

[UMFan83]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

[17 Seconds]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

[UMFan83]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

[17 Seconds]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

 

i think the fact that he only has one year left on his contract kind of made it a given that he wouldn't be a long term solution for anyone.

 

do you think i'm talking about trading him to san diego? i'm not. i was talking about trading him to a contender in need of a 2B and then flipping the piece they get back to sd.

[UMFan83]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

 

i think the fact that he only has one year left on his contract kind of made it a given that he wouldn't be a long term solution for anyone.

 

do you think i'm talking about trading him to san diego? i'm not. i was talking about trading him to a contender in need of a 2B and then flipping the piece they get back to sd.

 

I'm not, as I said above if the third team was a contender then its a different story.

[17 Seconds]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

 

i think the fact that he only has one year left on his contract kind of made it a given that he wouldn't be a long term solution for anyone.

 

do you think i'm talking about trading him to san diego? i'm not. i was talking about trading him to a contender in need of a 2B and then flipping the piece they get back to sd.

 

I'm not, as I said above if the third team was a contender then its a different story.

 

Uh my whole point was to trade him to a contender, I thought that was a given. There's no "if" involved. Why would a non-conender want him?

 

Age isn't really that relevant because he wouldn't be a long term solution for the team getting him and he's coming off his 3 best seasons and a career year.

[NCCubFan]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Why must they torture us so? Why did we even trade Ceda, who a lot of teams would have been interested in for a 30 year old with 1 year left on his contract? If were going to do this, Josh Vitters will somehow be involved. Thats all fine and dandy, but 1 way or another, I need closure on this.

I know I just want something to happen to get it over with. What are some potential third teams?

Rays: Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson

Twins: Delmon Young

Royals: Zach Grienke

Pirates: Ian Snell maybe Zach Duke or Paul Maholm

Since the purpose of including a third team is to send pitching to San Diego the Twins and Young don't fit in at all.

[UMFan83]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

 

i think the fact that he only has one year left on his contract kind of made it a given that he wouldn't be a long term solution for anyone.

 

do you think i'm talking about trading him to san diego? i'm not. i was talking about trading him to a contender in need of a 2B and then flipping the piece they get back to sd.

 

I'm not, as I said above if the third team was a contender then its a different story.

 

Uh my whole point was to trade him to a contender, I thought that was a given. There's no "if" involved. Why would a non-conender want him?

 

Age isn't really that relevant because he wouldn't be a long term solution for the team getting him and he's coming off his 3 best seasons and a career year.

 

That was my point. I still don't think a contender would find much value for him either. Some value but not a ton.

[17 Seconds]

DeRosa is 34. Enough said.

 

DeRosa probably doesn't have a lot of value but that's like the least valid reason why

 

No its not. He's not a valuable barganing chip because its unlikely that he would be a long term solution for any team he gets traded to. Maybe if the third team was a contender we could discuss it, but its definitely a valid reason why.

 

i think the fact that he only has one year left on his contract kind of made it a given that he wouldn't be a long term solution for anyone.

 

do you think i'm talking about trading him to san diego? i'm not. i was talking about trading him to a contender in need of a 2B and then flipping the piece they get back to sd.

 

I'm not, as I said above if the third team was a contender then its a different story.

 

Uh my whole point was to trade him to a contender, I thought that was a given. There's no "if" involved. Why would a non-conender want him?

 

Age isn't really that relevant because he wouldn't be a long term solution for the team getting him and he's coming off his 3 best seasons and a career year.

 

That was my point. I still don't think a contender would find much value for him either. Some value but not a ton.

 

Probably not, but that's why I asked. I mean the Marlins got a decent pitching prospect for one year of Kevin Gregg so it's not far fetched to think Hendry could possibly get a prospect that is attractive to the Padres for DeRosa.

 

As others said though, it probably wouldn't be worth it and would take away a lot of flexibility.

[Cubswin11]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Why must they torture us so? Why did we even trade Ceda, who a lot of teams would have been interested in for a 30 year old with 1 year left on his contract? If were going to do this, Josh Vitters will somehow be involved. Thats all fine and dandy, but 1 way or another, I need closure on this.

I know I just want something to happen to get it over with. What are some potential third teams?

Rays: Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson

Twins: Delmon Young

Royals: Zach Grienke

Pirates: Ian Snell maybe Zach Duke or Paul Maholm

Since the purpose of including a third team is to send pitching to San Diego the Twins and Young don't fit in at all.

I know they want pitching but Young is rumored to be available and he is a solid good young bat that they could build a order around with Adrian for the next few years. Maybe Hendry/Towers could get the Twins to involve Slowey, Blackburn, or Perkins as well. I think the Rays are the most realistic option as Sonnanstine/Jackson are probably going to get moved, it's just a matter of what the Rays would want in return? All the Pirates pitchers probably had more value last year except Maholm, Snell was supposed to take that next step this year and become a solid top of the rotation starter but he had a pretty bad season. Snell is a good buy low candidate this offseason.

[Southpaw191679666239]

I'm not a mod... but I'd curb DeRosa trade talk to its own thread, unless you want this one locked eventually. :?

 

What? I posted DeRosa in this thread because the reason for doing so owuld be to get that extra necessary piece to get Peavy. Why would the mods lock it?

 

Sorry I didn't read it thoroughly... I thought it was just to talk about trading DeRosa in general. :oops:

[BigbadB]

I know they want pitching but Young is rumored to be available and he is a solid good young bat that they could build a order around with Adrian for the next few years. Maybe Hendry/Towers could get the Twins to involve Slowey, Blackburn, or Perkins as well.

 

I thought about the Twins as a potential 3rd team because of the rumors about Delmon Young. Unfortunately, the Padres would be a better trade candidate with the Twins than we would be.

 

Kevin Kouzmanoff to Minnesota

Delmon Young to San Diego

 

Here's a straight up deal that gives Minny the 3b they've been looking for. It also allows the Padres to move Headley to his natural position.

 

Tampa would be a great 3rd team to trade with, but I'm clueless as to what we could offer Tampa that would make them want to give up Jackson or Sonnanstine, let alone both.

 

Towers wants young, cheap, talented pitching, and there aren't many teams shopping their young, cheap, talented pitching. Realistically, we aren't going to get a 3rd team involved if it means moving young, cheap, talented pitching.

[JGalt73]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Anyone have thoughts on why Towers is talking so publicly about this? Seems there is no good reason to rule out teams in the mix to drive up the price tag. Is this to appease SD fans on Peavy's pressure for a bad return on the trade? I realize that the GM's certainly have an inside relationship that is only selectively revealed to the public, but this one seems a bit off.

[E.J.]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Anyone have thoughts on why Towers is talking so publicly about this? Seems there is no good reason to rule out teams in the mix to drive up the price tag. Is this to appease SD fans on Peavy's pressure for a bad return on the trade? I realize that the GM's certainly have an inside relationship that is only selectively revealed to the public, but this one seems a bit off.

 

I'm guessing it's driving Hendry insane since he's usually so close lipped when it comes to trade rumors. I don't really care though. I love that we're the only team talking trade about Peavy. :amen:

[jersey cubs fan]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Anyone have thoughts on why Towers is talking so publicly about this? Seems there is no good reason to rule out teams in the mix to drive up the price tag. Is this to appease SD fans on Peavy's pressure for a bad return on the trade? I realize that the GM's certainly have an inside relationship that is only selectively revealed to the public, but this one seems a bit off.

 

Perhaps because it was so obvious to everybody involved that there was no need to invent fake competition for the bidding. Hendry certainly has a reputation for making fair deals, he doesn't look to screw teams over. So, maybe he's putting the ball in Hendry's court to come up with a reasonable offer for Peavy. Or he's making it difficult for Chicago to make that offer any higher, and he's just trying to get Peavy to agree to go somewhere else.

[BigbadB]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Anyone have thoughts on why Towers is talking so publicly about this? Seems there is no good reason to rule out teams in the mix to drive up the price tag. Is this to appease SD fans on Peavy's pressure for a bad return on the trade? I realize that the GM's certainly have an inside relationship that is only selectively revealed to the public, but this one seems a bit off.

 

Perhaps because it was so obvious to everybody involved that there was no need to invent fake competition for the bidding. Hendry certainly has a reputation for making fair deals, he doesn't look to screw teams over. So, maybe he's putting the ball in Hendry's court to come up with a reasonable offer for Peavy. Or he's making it difficult for Chicago to make that offer any higher, and he's just trying to get Peavy to agree to go somewhere else.

 

It's probably to put pressure on Atlanta to up their offer. The scary part of these Dempster rumors is that Atlanta had Dempster on their radar. If the Cubs sign Dempster, Atlanta could up their offer, especially considering some of the other FA pitchers Atlanta is looking at are likely to sign elsewhere.

 

If I'm Towers, I prefer the packages Atlanta can put together over just about anything the Cubs would reasonably offer.

[ChiCubsFan]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Nov. 17 - 10:04 pm et

 

Padres GM Kevin Towers revealed that he's currently only engaged with the Cubs in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

"It's really come down to one club now –- the Cubs," he said. "It's going to take awhile. They have a couple of players to pick from that we are interested in but anything with them is going to potentially involve a third team or fourth team. We're focusing only on them." Towers added that his conversations with the Yankees "were not substantial" and that he told GM Brian Cashman "until I get the go-ahead from Jake, I'm not going to" explore trade options with the Bombers.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Anyone have thoughts on why Towers is talking so publicly about this? Seems there is no good reason to rule out teams in the mix to drive up the price tag. Is this to appease SD fans on Peavy's pressure for a bad return on the trade? I realize that the GM's certainly have an inside relationship that is only selectively revealed to the public, but this one seems a bit off.

 

Perhaps because it was so obvious to everybody involved that there was no need to invent fake competition for the bidding. Hendry certainly has a reputation for making fair deals, he doesn't look to screw teams over. So, maybe he's putting the ball in Hendry's court to come up with a reasonable offer for Peavy. Or he's making it difficult for Chicago to make that offer any higher, and he's just trying to get Peavy to agree to go somewhere else.

 

It's probably to put pressure on Atlanta to up their offer. The scary part of these Dempster rumors is that Atlanta had Dempster on their radar. If the Cubs sign Dempster, Atlanta could up their offer, especially considering some of the other FA pitchers Atlanta is looking at are likely to sign elsewhere.

 

If I'm Towers, I prefer the packages Atlanta can put together over just about anything the Cubs would reasonably offer.

 

I'd prefer Pie and Vitters over Escobar and that bucket of Howry ATL was offering. Not to mention that I'd also really want Marshall if I'm SD. Marshall, Pie, Vitters is more than enough IMO.

[Mephistopheles]

wow three team trades where the cubs land dye, khalil and peavy? c'mon guys this isnt mlb 08 the show