Cubs interested in Randy Johnson

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

[Guest]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

[mdwilla]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Who wouldn't?!?!

 

I would take any of them over Johnson except for MAYBE Sheets.

 

That's the only one he isn't better than, but Sheets is ALWAYS hurt, and signing him will take a multiple year deal (same with Perez and Lowe), while Johnson would only be for one year, and he would more then likely out perform them, since he did last season (aside from Sheets).

 

Mil. got just under 200 IP from Sheets last year and even 160IP and 40 from Marshall will be better than most FA itchers.

 

A team is going to have to take a conservative approach with Sheets as I'd like to see the Cubs take with Harden and that's similar to how you see teams handle Maddux, 90 pitches 6 IP whichever comes first and some rest throughout the year. Last year, he had 6 over 115 pitches and 19 over 100, someone with his injury history should be taken more cautiously to see if increased usage is part of the problem.

 

We already have Zambrano coming off injury problems last year and Harden will needed to watched closely all season. Having a really good swing guy out of the pen and not skipping the 5th starter is must for next. Should the Cubs add Peavy he is also a guy that has pitched well with extra rest.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

Randy Wells wouldn't be the worst 8th starter in the world.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So if we were to sign Johnson, not get Peavy, and let Dempste go, and leave the rotation as is, you do all realise that for a big chunk of the season wed be looking at

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marshall

Marquis

Hill

This post is a joke, right?

 

Yeah, where's Harden and Johnson in that rotation?

 

The DL, I'd imagine in that scenario.

 

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[Guest]

His slider is still a plus pitch although it isn't as effective as it used to be, opponents still only hit .220 off of his slider.

 

I don't know where some of you guys find the stats you do!! And some of the one's you guys pull, I'm too dumb to understand ! #-o

 

:-))

 

You're a Packers fan, it's expected.

 

High five.

[PackLandVA]

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But I'm also a die hard Cubs fan!! http://timesfour.com/x4graemlins/icon_cheers.gif

 

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[Jehrico]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

I'd almost rather take a flier and see what Rothschild could do with Fogg before giving Johnson more than $5 mil (which will probably not be anywhere close to enough to get him).

[mdwilla]

Fogg is terrible and will must likely only get a camp invite. I know all of the big unit's pitfalls but Josh Fogg?

[Jehrico]

Fogg is terrible and will must likely only get a camp invite. I know all of the big unit's pitfalls but Josh Fogg?

Agreed on Fogg, I just used him to show where I am on signing the Unit. He was good in the second half last year, but he missed over half of 07, and wasn't good in '06. He'll turn 45 next year. No thanks.

[SweetZombieJesus]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

I agree with this post. If you think Marquis is maddening and terrible. Ollie Perez is twice as maddening and only slightly less terrible.

[USSoccer]

Signing Randy Johnson would be one more step towards taking a 97 win team and making it an 87 win team.

[nolanwood]

I surely hope this doesn't turn out to be an offseason of regression.

 

Replace Woody w/ Marmol. Replace Marmol with Gregg. Replace Dempster with The Unit.

 

:scratch:

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

[Guest]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

I'd take the Sox pen but yeah with Torres retiring, I'd put Mil. there as well.

[17 Seconds]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

 

If they don't bring back Dempster, they'll need someone like Perez to fill that void, given the injury history of Harden, Marshall is best off used in that role of a 6th starter since no one beyond poss. Samardzija or Atkins could fill that role as a ML starter out of the farm.

They also have Gaudin to take up emergency starts.

 

I forgot about Gaudin but it doesn't underscore my point about them still neeeding another starter if Dempster isn't back.

Absolutely - the rotation is my biggest concern this offseason, by far.

 

Though Jim's turning the bullpen into a close second.

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

 

Depends on who they get as well as far as closer, Villanueva was solid out of the pen and Shouse would prob. be the Cubs 2nd best reliever right now, it's definitely close but Mil. doesn't have anyone that could match with Marmol.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

 

By the end of the year the White Sox bullpen was Thornton and Jenks. Milwaukee's was Torres and Shouse.

[UK1679666180]

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

 

By the end of the year the White Sox bullpen was Thornton and Jenks. Milwaukee's was Torres and Shouse.

 

Thornton and Jenks are better than Marmol and Gregg, the Cubs don't have anyone from that 3rd spot that could run with Linebrink.

[17 Seconds]

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

 

By the end of the year the White Sox bullpen was Thornton and Jenks. Milwaukee's was Torres and Shouse.

 

It was? Maybe you need to check the numbers again. Villanueva was nasty in September and the whole second half. McClung was really good down the stretch too. Even Gagne allowed just one run in his final 11 appearances.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Of all of the 8 playoff teams from last year, the Cubs by far have the worst bullpen and it isn't even close, well maybe Ana b/c they'll lose one if not both of K-Rod and Oliver.

 

Milwaukee??? White Sox??

 

You know the White Sox had a pretty good bullpen last year, right? Also Milwuakee's was not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. They actually had a better bullpen ERA than the Cubs. Really the Cubs bullpen was trash outside of Marmol and Wood.

 

By the end of the year the White Sox bullpen was Thornton and Jenks. Milwaukee's was Torres and Shouse.

 

It was? Maybe you need to check the numbers again. Villanueva was nasty in September and the whole second half. McClung was really good down the stretch too. Even Gagne allowed just one run in his final 11 appearances.

 

I admit to only going off of memory and forgot about Villanueva. I'm not worried about McClung or Gagne's dried up husk of a career going forward.

[weis21]

Signing Randy Johnson would be one more step towards taking a 97 win team and making it an 87 win team.

Why? He had an ERA+ of 117 in 180 IP last year. If he's the only move, and we lose Dempster, then perhaps it's a step backwards. But he's definitely worth the one year 8-10 million dollars he's going to demand and I feel like he would be added in addition to another SP.