Cubs interested in Randy Johnson

[erik316wttn]

RJ would make a decent 5th starter for the right price. I hope if the Yanks sign CC we can get whichever of Burnett or Lowe they don't sign.

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Who wouldn't?!?!

 

There won't be a monetary difference between what Johnson gets and what Perez gets, Dempster is in the 12-15 mil range, Lowe is probably in the same range as well as Sheets. Perez and Johnson are prob. in the 10-12mil range.

 

Sabathia's contract could blow all of those up.

[PackLandVA]

Does RJ still throw heat? His BB/K ratio seemed pretty darn good. If there was a way to dump Marquis and replace him with RJ and a few million more to team salary, that'd be great.

[Mephistopheles]

define heat.

[Old Style]

So if we were to sign Johnson, not get Peavy, and let Dempste go, and leave the rotation as is, you do all realise that for a big chunk of the season wed be looking at

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marshall

Marquis

Hill

This post is a joke, right?

[BigbadB]

So if we were to sign Johnson, not get Peavy, and let Dempste go, and leave the rotation as is, you do all realise that for a big chunk of the season wed be looking at

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marshall

Marquis

Hill

This post is a joke, right?

 

Yeah, where's Harden and Johnson in that rotation?

[PackLandVA]

define heat.

 

Mid 90's??

[PackLandVA]

So if we were to sign Johnson, not get Peavy, and let Dempste go, and leave the rotation as is, you do all realise that for a big chunk of the season wed be looking at

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marshall

Marquis

Hill

This post is a joke, right?

 

Yeah, where's Harden and Johnson in that rotation?

 

The DL, I'd imagine in that scenario.

Edited November 15, 2008 by PackLandVA

[UK1679666180]

define heat.

 

Mid 90's??

 

His avg. FB velo was 91.5 MPH.

[PackLandVA]

So he must still have a very good slider and good location? Because his numbers' seemed pretty good.

[UK1679666180]

His slider is still a plus pitch although it isn't as effective as it used to be, opponents still only hit .220 off of his slider.

[PackLandVA]

His slider is still a plus pitch although it isn't as effective as it used to be, opponents still only hit .220 off of his slider.

 

I don't know where some of you guys find the stats you do!! And some of the one's you guys pull, I'm too dumb to understand ! #-o

 

:-))

[BigbadB]

He serves up a lot more long balls these days. He was rather brutal in the first half last year before turning it around late in the season.

 

His fastball seemed very hittable last year.

[UK1679666180]

He serves up a lot more long balls these days. He was rather brutal in the first half last year before turning it around late in the season.

 

His fastball seemed very hittable last year.

 

It's nothing special, he never had much movement on it to begin with, his arm angle proves that more than any natural movement (tail) on the ball.

 

His changeup is worse than his FB.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we had to open the season with what we have, we'd have a rotation of Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, and Marshall. We'd have a possibility of Gaudin, Samardzjia, and maybe Atkins as options to fill in.Hill could be in that mix too, but unless he gets it straightened out, he's going to be exposed to waivers at the end of the spring, and some club like the Nationals or such is likely to claim him. It's clear we need to add at least one more arm, and preferably two.

 

Johnson would be a decent option. He's not what he once was and he's likely to miss some time for injury, but he's good enough to be a 3-5 type guy that gives the rotation some depth. The past few years, it's been clear that Hendry likes to add depth to the rotation.

 

I think this is partially why Jim told Wood to look for better offers elsewhere. In his view, there is a need to focus on the rotation rather than the pen.

[RedVerbs]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Who wouldn't?!?!

 

I would take any of them over Johnson except for MAYBE Sheets.

 

That's the only one he isn't better than, but Sheets is ALWAYS hurt, and signing him will take a multiple year deal (same with Perez and Lowe), while Johnson would only be for one year, and he would more then likely out perform them, since he did last season (aside from Sheets).

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would someone not be down with signing him to a one year deal? He was very good last year.

 

I feel he deserves a multi-year deal and would tell him to look for that elsewhere for his own good.

[italianocubsfan7]

In the perfect situation and outcome of all the latest rumblings, the Cubs would trade for Peavy and then sign Johnson for 1-year at $10 million. They would then part ways with Ryan Dempster, obviously, after getting these two pitchers.

 

Zambrano

Peavy

Johnson

Harden

Lilly

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

[Old Style]

So if we were to sign Johnson, not get Peavy, and let Dempste go, and leave the rotation as is, you do all realise that for a big chunk of the season wed be looking at

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marshall

Marquis

Hill

This post is a joke, right?

 

Yeah, where's Harden and Johnson in that rotation?

 

The DL, I'd imagine in that scenario.

I'm still wondering how Rich Hill is in this guy's rotation, regardless of multiple pitchers heading to an imaginary DL stint.

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Oh God, I want nothing to do with Oliver Perez.

 

Why?

 

He's a middle of the rotation starter with the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, espec. under Rothschild, he's the perfect fit for Larry and would become the lefty version of Matt Clement, IMO.

 

I think he's a mediocre starter, and that's not what we should be spending money on. He hasn't had a season worth the 8 figures per year he's going to get since '04.(His much better than average ERA with the Mets came with 20 UER. I don't see Lou being a huge fan of him walking 100 guys a season either.

[C.C.]

His slider is still a plus pitch although it isn't as effective as it used to be, opponents still only hit .220 off of his slider.

 

I don't know where some of you guys find the stats you do!! And some of the one's you guys pull, I'm too dumb to understand ! #-o

 

:-))

 

You're a Packers fan, it's expected.

[CoolHandLuke]

In the perfect situation and outcome of all the latest rumblings, the Cubs would trade for Peavy and then sign Johnson for 1-year at $10 million. They would then part ways with Ryan Dempster, obviously, after getting these two pitchers.

 

Zambrano

Peavy

Johnson

Harden

Lilly

 

This is not a big deal, but it makes me want to pull my hair out.

 

Why why why do people insist on listing Zambrano first every time they make a list of the starters!!!??!

[UK1679666180]

If they don't get Dempster, I'd rather Lowe, Sheets, or Perez over Johnson.

 

Who wouldn't?!?!

 

I would take any of them over Johnson except for MAYBE Sheets.

 

That's the only one he isn't better than, but Sheets is ALWAYS hurt, and signing him will take a multiple year deal (same with Perez and Lowe), while Johnson would only be for one year, and he would more then likely out perform them, since he did last season (aside from Sheets).

 

Mil. got just under 200 IP from Sheets last year and even 160IP and 40 from Marshall will be better than most FA pitchers.

 

A team is going to have to take a conservative approach with Sheets as I'd like to see the Cubs take with Harden and that's similar to how you see teams handle Maddux, 90 pitches 6 IP whichever comes first and some rest throughout the year. Last year, he had 6 over 115 pitches and 19 over 100, someone with his injury history should be taken more cautiously to see if increased usage is part of the problem.

Edited November 15, 2008 by UK