College Football - Week of 11/8

[Guest]

Man, USC is so lucky.

 

Touchdown held up that should have been called back and the Cal touchdown that was called back for illegal man downfield when no one was past the LOS.

[hawkeyecub]

Wow that was awesome. Guys that pass interference will always be called in that situation. You can argue about his right to the ball but anytime a defender makes that kind of contact that early before the ball arrives, you get a flag.

 

it's still the wrong call.

 

I disagree but I'm obviously biased. I do see your point but when you impede a receivers progress that early it's almost automatic.

 

I really don't understand how they called roughing the kicker on the 4th quarter punt either though. I mean the punters leg came down on his head, that's running into at the worst.

[TruffleShuffle]

Wow that was awesome. Guys that pass interference will always be called in that situation. You can argue about his right to the ball but anytime a defender makes that kind of contact that early before the ball arrives, you get a flag.

 

it's still the wrong call.

 

I disagree but I'm obviously biased. I do see your point but when you impede a receivers progress that early it's almost automatic.

 

nobody impeded the receiver's progress. safety went up for the ball and hit the receiver before the ball got there, but he was going for the ball just as much as the WR was (actually more so). when it's a call like this, you should ask yourself - do they make the call of offensive pass interference if the WR goes up and initiates contact with the DB before the ball arrives? you'll never, ever see that call made, but the rule is that when the ball goes in the air, it's a free ball for any eligible receiver to catch. the offensive player does not have a special right to the ball because his teammate was the one throwing it.

 

 

I really don't understand how they called roughing the kicker on the 4th quarter punt either though. I mean the punters leg came down on his head, that's running into at the worst.

 

that was the wrong call and it should've been running into the kicker (how's the kicker supposed to land safely on two feet if the defensive player is below him?), but it really didn't matter. it was like 4th and 2 so it's a first down. the intentional grounding and the questional PI call were much more important calls.

 

anyway, when you settle for 4 field goals you leave yourself open to losing a game due to questionable calls, and that's what happened. we lost that game because we left too many points on the field. wait til next year.

[hawkeyecub]

that was the wrong call and it should've been running into the kicker (how's the kicker supposed to land safely on two feet if the defensive player is below him?), but it really didn't matter. it was like 4th and 2 so it's a first down. the intentional grounding and the questional PI call were much more important calls.

 

 

It was 4th and 8 after they got Royster for the big loss. Running into the kicker makes it 4th and 3 and they punt again.

 

I don't know that you can just say the others were more important. That was a possession changing call in the 4th quarter that allowed PSU to take 3.5 more minutes off the clock and get into position to score and put the game away.

[Mephistopheles]

70.4% #1 Alabama over #15 Louisiana State

60.0% #2 Texas Tech over #8 Oklahoma State

71.5% #3 Penn State over Iowa

93.6% #4 Florida over Vanderbilt

93.0% #5 Oklahoma over Texas A&M

93.8% #6 Southern Cal over #22 California

98.0% #9 Boise State over Utah State

62.4% #11 Texas Christian over #10 Utah

55.2% #12 Ohio State over Northwestern

89.7% #13 Missouri over Kansas State

74.4% #14 Georgia over Kentucky

78.6% #16 Ball State over Northern Illinois

95.9% #17 Brigham Young over San Diego State

84.9% #18 Michigan State over Purdue

69.4% #19 North Carolina over #21 Georgia Tech

68.5% #20 West Virginia over Cincinnati

72.4% Virginia Tech over #23 Maryland

66.2% #24 Florida State over Clemson

80.2% #25 Pittsburgh over Louisville

 

Upset Alert

Game of the Week

 

 

Accuracy

 

This Week:

90-100: 5-0

80-90: 3-0

70-80: 4-1

60-70: 2-2

50-60: 1-0

 

Year to Date:

90-100: 41-4 91%

80-90: 30-3 91%

70-80: 20-11 65%

60-70: 12-8 60%

50-60: 9-8 53%

[Coach C]

It's fun watching Texas Tech. Their offense is just ridiculous. Crabtree is pretty good.

 

But let's not forget their defense. During the early years in the Leach era, their defense was horrible. It was practically a shootout every time, as they realize that their defense wasn't gonna stop anybody.

 

They have shown tremendous improvement on that side of the field as well.

[Coach C]

but define elite. is he top five? probably not. is he one of the top dozen or so? probably.

 

guys id take over him (in no order) easily

 

pete carroll

jim tressell

nick saban

urban meyer

 

then you look at this list and you can make cases either way:

butch davis

mack brown

bob stoops

tommy tuberville

 

i cant really think of a tenth guy id take over him easily.

 

Leach, Peterson, Mendenhall, Kelly, Beamer, Richt, Spurrier, etc.

 

Leach? Hell no. Leach is a gimmick team. They're this years USF (ie not #2 but ranked #2). Chris Peterson at Boise State? What? BYUs Mendenhall? C'mon they need to play in a real league first. Kelly no. Beamer, eh.... I don't think so. Spurrier, ten years ago yes now not so much. Richt? Maybe.

 

I disagree. Leach is one of only sixteen active college football coaches who have never had a losing season. That speaks volumes, especially how tough the Big XII south is.

[Mephistopheles]

thats because they play four crappy non conference games every season. Thats four automatic wins. They basically only need to win three games the rest of the season to stay .500. that's one against baylor. then one of crappy aTm, iowa state, kansas. he's gone 6-2 in conference once. he's usually 4-4 in conference.

 

 

 

and you said ONE OF SIXTEEN! That's 1 out of 8 coaches. Im not saying he's not one of the top 16 coaches.

[TruffleShuffle]

but define elite. is he top five? probably not. is he one of the top dozen or so? probably.

 

guys id take over him (in no order) easily

 

pete carroll

jim tressell

nick saban

urban meyer

 

then you look at this list and you can make cases either way:

butch davis

mack brown

bob stoops

tommy tuberville

 

i cant really think of a tenth guy id take over him easily.

 

Leach, Peterson, Mendenhall, Kelly, Beamer, Richt, Spurrier, etc.

 

Leach? Hell no. Leach is a gimmick team. They're this years USF (ie not #2 but ranked #2). Chris Peterson at Boise State? What? BYUs Mendenhall? C'mon they need to play in a real league first. Kelly no. Beamer, eh.... I don't think so. Spurrier, ten years ago yes now not so much. Richt? Maybe.

 

I disagree. Leach is one of only sixteen active college football coaches who have never had a losing season. That speaks volumes, especially how tough the Big XII south is.

 

one would think a gimmick coach or a gimmick team would stop winning in their conference since they're playing the same teams year after year, and the other teams would adjust to facing an unorthodox style. they've gotten better, not worse, against the good teams in the big xii.

[Coach C]

thats because they play four crappy non conference games every season. Thats four automatic wins. They basically only need to win three games the rest of the season to stay .500. that's one against baylor. then one of crappy aTm, iowa state, kansas. he's gone 6-2 in conference once. he's usually 4-4 in conference.

 

 

 

and you said ONE OF SIXTEEN! That's 1 out of 8 coaches. Im not saying he's not one of the top 16 coaches.

 

Well, it's not TT's fault that they have to play 4 crappy non-conference teams, as most power teams don't tend to schedule aganist each other in out of fear that it will hurt their rankings and all that stuff.

 

Besides, the Big XII is tough enough that it will off-set the non-conference schedule, especially the Big XII south, where they have 4 teams in the top 10 anyways, except OSU will drop out of the top 10.

[TruffleShuffle]

that was the wrong call and it should've been running into the kicker (how's the kicker supposed to land safely on two feet if the defensive player is below him?), but it really didn't matter. it was like 4th and 2 so it's a first down. the intentional grounding and the questional PI call were much more important calls.

 

 

It was 4th and 8 after they got Royster for the big loss. Running into the kicker makes it 4th and 3 and they punt again.

 

4th and 8??? i missed that because i assumed they spotted the ball where his forward progress was stopped. i guess for whatever reason they called it where he went down, even though he never resumed his forward progress. but i suppose that, given the spot where they marked it, then it was a big call.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well, it's not TT's fault that they have to play 4 crappy non-conference teams, as most power teams don't tend to schedule aganist each other in out of fear that it will hurt their rankings and all that stuff.

 

tech has a bad non-conference schedule by choice, not because they can't find anyone to play against. though i will say that most teams play at most one tough non-conference game and then a bunch of jokes, so tech is really only missing out on one real contest when compared to the rest of the big xii teams.

[Coach C]

but define elite. is he top five? probably not. is he one of the top dozen or so? probably.

 

guys id take over him (in no order) easily

 

pete carroll

jim tressell

nick saban

urban meyer

 

then you look at this list and you can make cases either way:

butch davis

mack brown

bob stoops

tommy tuberville

 

i cant really think of a tenth guy id take over him easily.

 

Leach, Peterson, Mendenhall, Kelly, Beamer, Richt, Spurrier, etc.

 

Leach? Hell no. Leach is a gimmick team. They're this years USF (ie not #2 but ranked #2). Chris Peterson at Boise State? What? BYUs Mendenhall? C'mon they need to play in a real league first. Kelly no. Beamer, eh.... I don't think so. Spurrier, ten years ago yes now not so much. Richt? Maybe.

 

I disagree. Leach is one of only sixteen active college football coaches who have never had a losing season. That speaks volumes, especially how tough the Big XII south is.

 

one would think a gimmick coach or a gimmick team would stop winning in their conference since they're playing the same teams year after year, and the other teams would adjust to facing an unorthodox style. they've gotten better, not worse, against the good teams in the big xii.

 

Keep in mind that TT's defense during the early years in the Leach era was awful. TT would have to keep scoring so many points to off-set their defense shortcomings.

 

I thought TT's D could be a weakness this year, but much to my suprise, they have shown major improvements. Holding OSU to 20 points? That's impressive. In the past, they would have easily given up 30 points to pretty much anybody (OSU scored 41 last year, Colorado scored 31 last year, Texas scored 59 last year) etc.

[Coach C]

Well, it's not TT's fault that they have to play 4 crappy non-conference teams, as most power teams don't tend to schedule aganist each other in out of fear that it will hurt their rankings and all that stuff.

 

tech has a bad non-conference schedule by choice, not because they can't find anyone to play against. though i will say that most teams play at most one tough non-conference game and then a bunch of jokes, so tech is really only missing out on one real contest when compared to the rest of the big xii teams.

 

Well, they were origionally supposed to play Tulsa, but Tulsa backed out of the deal. And FWIW, Tulsa is 8-1 this year, with their first ever loss to Arkansas.

[Coach C]

Well, it's not TT's fault that they have to play 4 crappy non-conference teams, as most power teams don't tend to schedule aganist each other in out of fear that it will hurt their rankings and all that stuff.

 

tech has a bad non-conference schedule by choice, not because they can't find anyone to play against. though i will say that most teams play at most one tough non-conference game and then a bunch of jokes, so tech is really only missing out on one real contest when compared to the rest of the big xii teams.

 

OU played TCU, so I'll give OU credit for that.

 

Texas didn't play anybody, except Arkansas, who isn't a solid team, but still worlds better than say, Massachusetts.

 

OSU played Troy or Houston, and both of them are "average" IMHO.

 

Still though, Tech played well aganist Texas, and dismantled a very solid OSU team. Their bad game was probably aganist Nebraska where they gave up 31 points.

[SpongeWorthy]

Man, USC is so lucky.

 

Touchdown held up that should have been called back and the Cal touchdown that was called back for illegal man downfield when no one was past the LOS.

 

That was the correct call. The receiver on the top side of the formation was ineligible.

[SpongeWorthy]

I thought Texas Tech's OOC schedule was an absolute disgrace. But they've definitely passed the eyeball test for me the last couple of weeks. And if they make it through the rest of the season unbeaten they definitely deserve all the accolades they get.

 

They are a complete ball club and they have the best player in the country (by a significant margin, IMO) in Crabtree.

[Guest]

I thought Texas Tech's OOC schedule was an absolute disgrace. But they've definitely passed the eyeball test for me the last couple of weeks. And if they make it through the rest of the season unbeaten they definitely deserve all the accolades they get.

 

They are a complete ball club and they have the best player in the country (by a significant margin, IMO) in Crabtree.

 

I don't think he's even the best receiver in the Big XII (Dez Bryant).

 

But he's still a fantastic player.

[manbearcub]

 

Oh yeah and Greene over 100 for the 10th straight game.

 

2 good games and he can pass Banks for #1 all-time. I think he's just over 300 behind. If he plays long enough next week, he should get within striking distance.

If he stays healthy it wont matter with the bowl game added in.

[manbearcub]

anyone else see the Joe Pa press conference after the game today? He doesnt look too good.

[Andy]

Rk W-L Team (Last Week)

1. 10-0 Alabama (1)

2. 10-0 Texas Tech (4)

3. 9-1 Forida (3)

4. 9-1 Texas (5)

5. 9-1 Oklahoma (6)

6. 8-1 Southern Cal (7)

7. 9-1 Penn State (2)

8. 10-0 Utah (9)

9. 8-2 Ohio State (12)

10. 8-2 Georgia (11)

11. 7-2 North Carolina (16)

12. 8-2 Oklahoma State (8)

13. 8-2 Missouri (13)

14. 8-2 Texas Christian (10)

15. 9-0 Boise State (14)

16. 6-3 Louisiana State (15)

17. 9-1 Brigham Young (17)

18. 9-2 Michigan State (20)

19. 7-2 Florida State (23)

20. 7-3 South Carolina (25)

21. 9-0 Ball State (18)

22. 7-2 Pittsburgh (UR)

23. 6-3 California (19)

24. 7-3 Georgia Tech (21)

25. 6-3 Oregon State (UR)

 

Dropped Out: #22 West Virginia, #24 Kansas

Why does MSU jump Ball State for beating Purdue when the team BSU beat (NIU) would probably destroy them?

 

Lather, rinse, repeat for Florida State.

[Flames24Rulz]

Rk W-L Team (Last Week)

1. 10-0 Alabama (1)

2. 10-0 Texas Tech (4)

3. 9-1 Forida (3)

4. 9-1 Texas (5)

5. 9-1 Oklahoma (6)

6. 8-1 Southern Cal (7)

7. 9-1 Penn State (2)

8. 10-0 Utah (9)

9. 8-2 Ohio State (12)

10. 8-2 Georgia (11)

11. 7-2 North Carolina (16)

12. 8-2 Oklahoma State (8)

13. 8-2 Missouri (13)

14. 8-2 Texas Christian (10)

15. 9-0 Boise State (14)

16. 6-3 Louisiana State (15)

17. 9-1 Brigham Young (17)

18. 9-2 Michigan State (20)

19. 7-2 Florida State (23)

20. 7-3 South Carolina (25)

21. 9-0 Ball State (18)

22. 7-2 Pittsburgh (UR)

23. 6-3 California (19)

24. 7-3 Georgia Tech (21)

25. 6-3 Oregon State (UR)

 

Dropped Out: #22 West Virginia, #24 Kansas

Why does MSU jump Ball State for beating Purdue when the team BSU beat (NIU) would probably destroy them?

 

Lather, rinse, repeat for Florida State.

 

Eh, I don't think NIU beats Purdue, much less destroys them. Tennesee lost to Wyoming and Minnesota lost at home to Michigan. NIU lost to those two teams by a couple of points. Those look like pretty bad losses now for the Huskies. I don't think they'd beat Purdue.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Crabtree is worlds better than Dez Bryant. You could arguably leave Bryant off a list of the Top 5 receivers in the Big 12.

 

 

And tonight cemented my hatred for Ron Prince, I hope he never gets a job again. Two consecutive trips to Columbia he has needlessly extended the game in miserable weather after both teams had conceded the outcome. Mizzou had just run the ball on 4th and 12 from the KSU 13 with their third string QB in. KSU had a long run for a TD(which of course is fine), then did a surprise onside kick(lame) and called timeout when they got inside the red zone with 30 seconds left down 24 points with their backup QB in. May you die a thousand deaths for this lunacy, you eggheaded imbecile.

[imb]

Crabtree is worlds better than Dez Bryant. You could arguably leave Bryant off a list of the Top 5 receivers in the Big 12.

 

 

And tonight cemented my hatred for Ron Prince, I hope he never gets a job again. Two consecutive trips to Columbia he has needlessly extended the game in miserable weather after both teams had conceded the outcome. Mizzou had just run the ball on 4th and 12 from the KSU 13 with their third string QB in. KSU had a long run for a TD(which of course is fine), then did a surprise onside kick(lame) and called timeout when they got inside the red zone with 30 seconds left down 24 points with their backup QB in. May you die a thousand deaths for this lunacy, you eggheaded imbecile.

 

maclin, crabtree ... who am i missing? I'd put Bryant in that top 3.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Crabtree is worlds better than Dez Bryant. You could arguably leave Bryant off a list of the Top 5 receivers in the Big 12.

 

maclin, crabtree ... who am i missing? I'd put Bryant in that top 3.

 

I'm not saying I'd for sure do it, but Cosby, Iglesias, and maybe someone like Briscoe, Josh Smith, Shipley, or Alexander(homer!) could make that argument. The main point is that Crabtree is far and away the best.