Manny might have a problem and not know it

[5412]

Hi,

 

Well Manny Ramirez filed for free agency. He laid down on the job to get out of the final two years of his contract with Boston that paid him $20 million per season. Here is a team fighting for the pennant and a player decides his selfish self-interest is above the needs of the team.

 

To complicate things, I believe his agent is the ever popular Scott Boras..

 

There are only a few teams that could even afford to pay him $20 million plus, both New York teams, Boston, the Dodgers, Cubs and maybe the Angels. His true market is small and he has already burned his bridges in Boston.

 

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Who needs to sign a guy who wants $20 million plus and would demand to be paid if he got hurt or his performance stinks......but if he has a great season will find a way to try to weasel out of the contract to get even more money? He did it with Cleveland and then again in Boston. If it ever came to collusion each and every owner could say flat out signing Manny is not worth the risk, look at what he did to Cleveland and Boston and he would have a tough leg to stand on.

 

I hope the Dodgers tender him an offer like $12 million and that is the only offer he gets.....or no one tenders him a thing.....

[BCVM22]

You kid yourself. Any team that could conceivably use a left fielder and can afford him will make him a colossal offer.

[treebird]

hi wrong bye

[BigbadB]

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Why exactly should the LA Dodgers care how Manny did or didn't play in Boston? What would make them want to pee in Manny's Cheerios?

 

Was the lack of motivation in Boston really a money thing? I don't believe that to be true. To me, and I suppose I could be wrong, he went from an organization that seemed more willing to be rid of him and then to an organization who seemed to want him.

 

It's hard to get motivated to go out and play your best everyday when the organization you play for doesn't see the value you bring.

 

And I need to understand how Manny did this to Cleveland, also. In his final season in Cleveland, he posted: .351/.457/.697

 

For the value he can provide to a team, the teams who can can afford $20m would be stupid to assume that they would automatically get the displaced Boston Manny instead of the inspired LA Manny.

 

Hendry has my blessing to give Manny whatever sum of money he will want to be a Cub in 2009.

[Jehrico]

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Why exactly should the LA Dodgers care how Manny did or didn't play in Boston? What would make them want to pee in Manny's Cheerios?

 

Was the lack of motivation in Boston really a money thing? I don't believe that to be true. To me, and I suppose I could be wrong, he went from an organization that seemed more willing to be rid of him and then to an organization who seemed to want him.

 

It's hard to get motivated to go out and play your best everyday when the organization you play for doesn't see the value you bring.

 

And I need to understand how Manny did this to Cleveland, also. In his final season in Cleveland, he posted: .351/.457/.697

 

For the value he can provide to a team, the teams who can can afford $20m would be stupid to assume that they would automatically get the displaced Boston Manny instead of the inspired LA Manny.

 

Hendry has my blessing to give Manny whatever sum of money he will want to be a Cub in 2009.

I agree for the most part...but as far as the Dodgers are concerned (or any other team that would sign him for that matter)...if they offer him a 4 or 5 year deal, you know his behavior in Boston would be in the back of their minds. Manny was GREAT last year, but he wasn't as great as he's been in the past, when the BoSox placed him on irrevocable waivers, and no one took him. It's going to be a factor. That said, I think it'll be the difference in him getting 19 instead of 22 million a year or something like that, and whether or not he'll be able to get a full NTC.

[5412]

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Why exactly should the LA Dodgers care how Manny did or didn't play in Boston? What would make them want to pee in Manny's Cheerios?

 

Was the lack of motivation in Boston really a money thing? I don't believe that to be true. To me, and I suppose I could be wrong, he went from an organization that seemed more willing to be rid of him and then to an organization who seemed to want him.

 

It's hard to get motivated to go out and play your best everyday when the organization you play for doesn't see the value you bring.

 

And I need to understand how Manny did this to Cleveland, also. In his final season in Cleveland, he posted: .351/.457/.697

 

For the value he can provide to a team, the teams who can can afford $20m would be stupid to assume that they would automatically get the displaced Boston Manny instead of the inspired LA Manny.

 

Hendry has my blessing to give Manny whatever sum of money he will want to be a Cub in 2009.

 

 

Good Morning,

 

Obviously you do not listen to the baseball channel on XM radio. Basically Manny is about Manny. He wanted the last two years of his contract voided because they were club options for the paltry sum of $20 million a year. When the red sox told him they did not want to void them he basically quit on them, hid out in the training room, mouthed off to the press, and forced them to dump him. If you will look a the games before he got traded Manny was not in the lineup because his so called injury was not healing. Of course when he got traded to the Dodgers he got well overnight. In addition, because he had to agree to the trade, the club options had to be removed from his contract so he could be a free agent at the end of the season.

 

I have never heard Kennedy?Dibble rip a player like they did Manny while all of this transpired. Here he was in Boston, his team in the middle of a pennant race, and he was all about Manny and the money. They cut to the chase pretty quickly and called it what it really was. A selfish, non-team player who wanted more money and would do anything, including quitting on the team that is currently paying him, quitting on his team mates in a pennant race, to get what he wanted.

 

They also mentioned he did something similar to that when he left Cleveland.

 

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

[BigbadB]

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Why exactly should the LA Dodgers care how Manny did or didn't play in Boston? What would make them want to pee in Manny's Cheerios?

 

Was the lack of motivation in Boston really a money thing? I don't believe that to be true. To me, and I suppose I could be wrong, he went from an organization that seemed more willing to be rid of him and then to an organization who seemed to want him.

 

It's hard to get motivated to go out and play your best everyday when the organization you play for doesn't see the value you bring.

 

And I need to understand how Manny did this to Cleveland, also. In his final season in Cleveland, he posted: .351/.457/.697

 

For the value he can provide to a team, the teams who can can afford $20m would be stupid to assume that they would automatically get the displaced Boston Manny instead of the inspired LA Manny.

 

Hendry has my blessing to give Manny whatever sum of money he will want to be a Cub in 2009.

 

 

Good Morning,

 

Obviously you do not listen to the baseball channel on XM radio. Basically Manny is about Manny. He wanted the last two years of his contract voided because they were club options for the paltry sum of $20 million a year. When the red sox told him they did not want to void them he basically quit on them, hid out in the training room, mouthed off to the press, and forced them to dump him. If you will look a the games before he got traded Manny was not in the lineup because his so called injury was not healing. Of course when he got traded to the Dodgers he got well overnight. In addition, because he had to agree to the trade, the club options had to be removed from his contract so he could be a free agent at the end of the season.

 

I have never heard Kennedy?Dibble rip a player like they did Manny while all of this transpired. Here he was in Boston, his team in the middle of a pennant race, and he was all about Manny and the money. They cut to the chase pretty quickly and called it what it really was. A selfish, non-team player who wanted more money and would do anything, including quitting on the team that is currently paying him, quitting on his team mates in a pennant race, to get what he wanted.

 

They also mentioned he did something similar to that when he left Cleveland.

 

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

 

99% of the players in MLB are all about themselves. Manny isn't unique in that aspect. Boston is the team that offered irrevocable waivers on Manny a few years back, meaning anyone could have him if they could afford to take his contract. That's the kind of respect Boston showed for Manny.

 

And I'll post stats all day long, because the bottom line is what kind of production a player provides for the money they make.

 

A GM/manager probably shouldn't have to stroke a guy's ego after they sign on the dotted line. But, no two people are alike. Manny appears to be a little more needy in the stroked ego department than other ballplayers. If that's all it takes to make him want to go out and perform to the best of his abilities, then by all means, stroke his freakin' ego.

 

Manny is going to leave this game as one of the greatest to ever play this game. A guy who can post SLG's over .600 7 of the last 10 years (and very close to .600 in two other years) deserves more respect than he has been given over the years.

 

As far as the money, the best way to make a player happy is to extend their contract. I suppose you can't blame Boston if they didn't want to talk extension with Manny, but the day you inform the player that you are no longer wanted, that changes your outlook of that organization. And that can definitely impact your motivation.

 

I'll take Manny in LF for the Cubs next year all day long. You go out and get yourself Raul Ibanez and we'll just see who has the more productive LFer next year. In the meantime, here are the current standings:

 

Great Production 162-0

Mediocre Production 81-81

Positive Attitude 0-162

[SouthSideRyan]

If Rob Dibble told me the sky was blue, I'd assume we were under some kind of nuclear holocaust and the skies had turned yellow.

[Wolfgangbucks]

What he does not realize is this could be a wonderful case for the owners not to get involved in collusion but just not show any interest in him. My feeling is that it would be hard to prove collusion if each owner or GM of a big market team would respond to a reporter that he is a great player but, "we just do not feel he would fit in" or something like that.

 

Why exactly should the LA Dodgers care how Manny did or didn't play in Boston? What would make them want to pee in Manny's Cheerios?

 

Was the lack of motivation in Boston really a money thing? I don't believe that to be true. To me, and I suppose I could be wrong, he went from an organization that seemed more willing to be rid of him and then to an organization who seemed to want him.

 

It's hard to get motivated to go out and play your best everyday when the organization you play for doesn't see the value you bring.

 

And I need to understand how Manny did this to Cleveland, also. In his final season in Cleveland, he posted: .351/.457/.697

 

For the value he can provide to a team, the teams who can can afford $20m would be stupid to assume that they would automatically get the displaced Boston Manny instead of the inspired LA Manny.

 

Hendry has my blessing to give Manny whatever sum of money he will want to be a Cub in 2009.

 

 

Good Morning,

 

Obviously you do not listen to the baseball channel on XM radio. Basically Manny is about Manny. He wanted the last two years of his contract voided because they were club options for the paltry sum of $20 million a year. When the red sox told him they did not want to void them he basically quit on them, hid out in the training room, mouthed off to the press, and forced them to dump him. If you will look a the games before he got traded Manny was not in the lineup because his so called injury was not healing. Of course when he got traded to the Dodgers he got well overnight. In addition, because he had to agree to the trade, the club options had to be removed from his contract so he could be a free agent at the end of the season.

 

I have never heard Kennedy?Dibble rip a player like they did Manny while all of this transpired. Here he was in Boston, his team in the middle of a pennant race, and he was all about Manny and the money. They cut to the chase pretty quickly and called it what it really was. A selfish, non-team player who wanted more money and would do anything, including quitting on the team that is currently paying him, quitting on his team mates in a pennant race, to get what he wanted.

 

They also mentioned he did something similar to that when he left Cleveland.

 

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

 

Kennedy and Dibble are assclowns

[CoolHandLuke]

Collusion is kind of worse than being a whiny baby, I think.

[fromthestretch]

I have never heard Kennedy?Dibble rip a player like they did Manny while all of this transpired.

 

Obviously you do not listen to the baseball channel on XM radio.

 

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[fromthestretch]

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

 

This isn't little league or even high school. Major league players can overlook a lot of crap if the player helps them win games. Manny's attitude didn't prevent the Red Sox from winning the World Series in 2004 and 2007. They almost certainly wouldn't have won it without his production.

[flyseye]

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

 

This isn't little league or even high school. Major league players can overlook a lot of crap if the player helps them win games. Manny's attitude didn't prevent the Red Sox from winning the World Series in 2004 and 2007. They almost certainly wouldn't have won it without his production.

 

So using this logic, i guess the Dodgers must have lost in the playoffs because of Manny ?

 

Being kind of a jerk may not cost a MLB player a lot of money, but being a first class jerk certainly will. ( see Dave Kingman, Juan Gonzalez, George Bell). While none of these players were in the class of Manny, they all gave up significant $$$ because of their piss poor attitudes. Manny will almost certainly give up some $$ because of his attitude, but some team ( Yankees, Cubs ) will probably pay him well out of desperation.

 

For the salary he will want, combined with his attitude/ age/ lack of defense, I would pass unless he could be had for a bargain.

 

My prediction, Look for Manny to be DH'ing for the Yankees next year.

[fromthestretch]

Sorry, you can point to his numbers all day long. And I am sure Hank Steinbrenner will be forgiving, but Manny could rot on the vine before I would want him playing for me. I have coached too many years to put up with the kind of garbage Manny gives out, it is not fair to the other players on the team.

 

This isn't little league or even high school. Major league players can overlook a lot of crap if the player helps them win games. Manny's attitude didn't prevent the Red Sox from winning the World Series in 2004 and 2007. They almost certainly wouldn't have won it without his production.

 

So using this logic, i guess the Dodgers must have lost in the playoffs because of Manny ?

 

Um, no. Not sure how you read that into what I typed. I basically said that Manny's attitude hasn't hurt his teams in the playoffs.

 

Being kind of a jerk may not cost a MLB player a lot of money, but being a first class jerk certainly will. ( see Dave Kingman, Juan Gonzalez, George Bell). While none of these players were in the class of Manny, they all gave up significant $$$ because of their piss poor attitudes. Manny will almost certainly give up some $$ because of his attitude, but some team ( Yankees, Cubs ) will probably pay him well out of desperation.

 

For the salary he will want, combined with his attitude/ age/ lack of defense, I would pass unless he could be had for a bargain.

 

My prediction, Look for Manny to be DH'ing for the Yankees next year.

 

It might cost him a year or two on the length of the contract, but then again, that could be attributed to his age, as well. You could see a few teams offering more per year with fewer years. I don't see the Cubs making a play for him. We all know Hendry and Piniella want a left-handed bat.

[illiniguy]

I just want someone to sandbag the Cubs this year as much as Manny did to Cleveland his last year there. Anyone.