College Football - Week of 10/11

[SouthSideRyan]

The real problem with wins and losses is that when two teams play each other and the game is decided late, why does one team get a positive and the other a negative. close games are decided by one or two plays. that's it. what we *should* take from a game like that is not that one team won and one lost, but that both teams played equally.

 

But the whole point of every game is to win the damn thing. You don't rule that the teams are equal when one team did what it took to win, and the other one lost. I view rankings as a judgement of what a team did, not what a team is capable of in the future. Otherwise there's no point to the games other than to see how talented the team is. It is no longer a competition, but instead is a showcase of who's more athletic and skilled in the game of football.

 

That's not how it works, and it's not how it should work. When an actual game starts, the outcome of it damn sure should matter, no matter how terribly unathletic and untalented one team may be, if they win, that's that. I'm not going to wipe it off the slate because the other team outgained them by 300 yards and kept fumbling in the red zone.

 

With the NCAA(and NFL) season being as short as it is and with the ridiculously unbalanced schedules(relative to opponents), putting such weight on what a team has done over the previous 12 games(let alone 5) just seems outrageous to me, and then when something goes against the numbers(accumulated over 5 games), to call that a fluke or an anomaly. Well that's [expletive] crazy.

[Warpticon]

ole miss is better than every other team okie state has played...and thats pretty sad

 

Wait....Ole Miss > Mizzou?

 

Awesome. I mean, I know they beat St. Tebow, but still. Just awesome.

 

Apparently you missed the word "other." Unless you took from that that Oklahoma State had played Ole Miss, which I can assure you didn't happen.

[Derwood]

Meph's point is that Florida missing an extra point doesn't suddenly make them worse than BYU and Utah. That's not too hard to understand.

 

His claim that W-L doesn't matter comes from a predictive point of view. Teams with less losses should not be predicted to win over teams with more losses in every match up.

[TruffleShuffle]

Sigh. Here's a screenshot of the last Chase pick (when we were in OSU territory down 5).

 

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1761/user158741pm0.jpg

 

Not that it mattered, we had plenty of other chances, but that still sucks. They reviewed it too, don't know how they missed it.

 

Oh come on, this is not what I needed to see. They were practically looking for plays to overturn all night and they missed that?

They did seem to unnecessarily review a bunch of plays.

 

Looking at that screen shot, it's hard to believe they missed that.

 

yeah at least on tv, they blew off that view and kept trying to look at one from the front, but the cameraman hadn't panned down fast enough and the ball wasn't even in the shot. to me it's really stupid that they missed it because on the first replay i thought i saw the ball underneath the guy's body, and i grabbed the dvr remote and rewound it a couple of times and saw that it hit the ground. how does the replay booth not catch that when a guy with a dvr can see it clearly? what's the point of replay if you're still going to get a wrong call wrong?

[Derwood]

We're through 7 weeks of the season and there are a remarkable number of undefeated teams still hanging around:

 

Alabama    5-0
Ball St.   7-0
Boise St.  5-0
BYU        6-0
Ok. St.    6-0
Penn St.   7-0
Tx. Tech   6-0
Texas      6-0
Tulsa      6-0
Utah       7-0

 

Now a lot of this will sort itself out in the next few weeks, of course. When Andy posts next weeks thread I'll post the remaining schedules of all the undefeated teams

[UMFan83]

This is going to be a fun season. Of the undefeateds, there is a strong chance that Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma State, and even Penn State lose. It might be a another year where a 1 loss team gets into the title game.

[Derwood]

This is going to be a fun season. Of the undefeateds, there is a strong chance that Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma State, and even Penn State lose. It might be a another year where a 1 loss team gets into the title game.

 

and where a non-BCS team cries about not being in the title game

[TruffleShuffle]

We're through 7 weeks of the season and there are a remarkable number of undefeated teams still hanging around:

 

Alabama    5-0
Ball St.   7-0
Boise St.  5-0
BYU        6-0
Ok. St.    6-0
Penn St.   7-0
Tx. Tech   6-0
Texas      6-0
Tulsa      6-0
Utah       7-0

 

Now a lot of this will sort itself out in the next few weeks, of course. When Andy posts next weeks thread I'll post the remaining schedules of all the undefeated teams

 

only one of byu and utah can go undefeated, and only one of the big xii schools can go undefeated. so really, you have:

 

alabama - sec

ball st. - mac

boise st. - wac

byu/utah - mountain west

penn st. - big ten

texas tech/texas/okie st. - big xii

tulsa - conference usa

 

alabama's toughest games left: @lsu, neutral field vs sec east winner in the sec championship game

ball st: @central michigan, home vs western michigan, neutral field in mac title game

boise st: @san jose st, i guess? @boise? as always, the wac sucks.

byu: @tcu, @air force, @utah

utah: vs tcu, vs byu

penn st. - @ohio st, vs michigan st

texas tech: @kansas, vs okie st, vs texas, @oklahoma, big xii title game vs mizzou/kansas. yikes.

texas: vs mizzou, @texas tech, @kansas, big xii title game vs mizzou/kansas. also yikes.

okie st: @texas, @texas tech, vs oklahoma. yikes again.

tulsa: @arkansas, @houston, c-usa title game vs whoever.

[hawkeyecub]

Iowa is ranked 14th in the Predictor portion of Sagarin's ratings that Meph loves.

[Derwood]

Iowa is ranked 14th in the Predictor portion of Sagarin's ratings that Meph loves.

 

that's because the Predictor column is based on margin of victory. Iowa has lost 3 close games but their 4 wins were complete blow outs

[shnsajax]

Here were the Projected Bowl Matchups before yesterday from ESPN :-)

 

Bowl (Matchup) Mark Schlabach Bruce Feldman

FedEx BCS National Championship Game

(BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2) Oklahoma vs. LSU Missouri vs. Alabama

 

Tostitos Fiesta

(BCS vs. BCS) Missouri vs. Ohio State Brigham Young vs. Oklahoma

 

Allstate Sugar

(BCS vs. BCS) Alabama vs. Brigham Young Florida vs. Pittsburgh

 

FedEx Orange

(BCS vs. BCS) Wake Forest vs. Pittsburgh Boise State vs. Virginia Tech

 

Rose Bowl presented by Citi

(BCS vs. BCS) Penn State vs. USC Ohio State vs. USC

 

GMAC

(C-USA vs. MAC) East Carolina vs. Central Michigan Tulsa vs. Bowling Green

 

International

(Big East vs. MAC) West Virginia vs. Western Michigan Louisville vs. Western Michigan

 

AutoZone Liberty

(C-USA vs. SEC) Tulsa vs. South Carolina Marshall vs. Vanderbilt

 

AT&T Cotton

(Big 12 vs. SEC) Texas vs. Georgia Texas Tech vs. Georgia

 

Konica Minolta Gator

(ACC vs. Big 12/Big East/Notre Dame) Florida State vs. Notre Dame Florida State vs. Notre Dame

 

Capital One

(SEC vs. Big Ten) Florida vs. Michigan State LSU vs. Penn State

 

Outback

(Big Ten vs. SEC) Illinois vs. Vanderbilt Wisconsin vs. Auburn

 

Chick-fil-A

(SEC vs. ACC) Auburn vs. Virginia Tech Mississippi vs. Maryland

 

Insight

(Big 12 vs. Big Ten) Colorado vs. Minnesota Nebraska vs. Michigan State

 

Gaylord Hotels Music City

(ACC vs. SEC) Georgia Tech vs. Kentucky Miami (FL) vs. South Carolina

 

Brut Sun

(Pac-10 vs. Big 12/Big East/Notre Dame) Oregon vs. Kansas Arizona vs. Colorado

 

Bell Helicopter Armed Forces

(Mountain West vs. C-USA) TCU vs. Houston TCU vs. Southern Miss

 

Pacific Life Holiday

(Pac-10 vs. Big 12) California vs. Texas Tech California vs. Texas

[hawkeyecub]

Iowa is ranked 14th in the Predictor portion of Sagarin's ratings that Meph loves.

 

that's because the Predictor column is based on margin of victory. Iowa has lost 3 close games but their 4 wins were complete blow outs

 

Really? I had no idea.

[Mephistopheles]

and their three losses were by nine points, total.

 

top 25 from there

 

1. Southern California

2. Florida

3. Penn State

4. Texas

5. Oklahoma

6. Alabama

7. Georgia

8. California

9. Oregon State

10. TCU

11. BYU

12. Boise State

13. Texas Tech

14. Iowa

15. Arizona

16. Michigan State

17. Oklahoma State

18. Ohio State

19. Missouri

20. Georgia Tech

21. Ball State

22. Wake Forest

23. Utah

24. Boston College

25. North Carolina

 

Conference Ratings

1 SEC

2 Big XII

3 Big Ten

4 Atlantic Coast

5 Pac 10

6 Big East

7 Mountain West

8 1-A Independents

9 WAC

10 MAC

11 Conference USA

12 Sun Belt

 

There's a sizable gap between the Big XII and the Big Ten.

[shnsajax]

New AP Poll:

1 Texas (39) 6-0 1,599 5

2 Alabama (26) 6-0 1,582 2

3 Penn State 7-0 1,492 6

4 Oklahoma 5-1 1,306 1

5 Florida 5-1 1,284 11

6 USC 4-1 1,247 8

7 Texas Tech 6-0 1,210 7

8 Oklahoma State 6-0 1,184 17

9 Brigham Young 6-0 1,131 9

10 Georgia 5-1 1,081 10

11 Missouri 5-1 984 3

12 Ohio State 6-1 908 12

13 LSU 4-1 893 4

14 Utah 7-0 834 14

15 Boise State 5-0 714 15

16 Kansas 5-1 620 16

17 Virginia Tech 5-1 540 18

18 North Carolina 5-1 416 22

19 South Florida 5-1 397 19

20 Michigan State 6-1 371 23

21 Wake Forest 4-1 330 21

22 Vanderbilt 5-1 258 13

23 Pittsburgh 4-1 182 24

24 Ball State 7-0 166 25

25 California 4-1 115 NR

[Derwood]

New AP Poll:

1 Texas (39) 6-0 1,599 5

2 Alabama (26) 6-0 1,582 2

 

Texas just barely edged out Bama.

[shnsajax]

New AP Poll:

1 Texas (39) 6-0 1,599 5

2 Alabama (26) 6-0 1,582 2

 

Texas just barely edged out Bama.

 

I almost prefer to be #2, but with the rest of Texas schedule I really don't care where they are ranked at all. Just win vs Mizzou first.

 

Also Texas had 13 more 1st place votes than Alabama and leads by 17 points, so 4 people have Bama ranked as #3 in the nation. Though Penn State's win last night might have had a thing to do with that. Still I thought Texas and Bama were a pretty much unanimous #1 and #2.

[Mephistopheles]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

[Derwood]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

 

that's why I don't worry about the rankings right now, as all that stuff will work itself out

[Derwood]

i'm also wondering how much joe paterno is really coaching penn st anymore. one of the biggest knocks on paterno, and it's a valid one, is that when he'd go on the road to play an outclassed opponent, they'd just run the ball all day, not throw over the middle - basically "play not to lose." last week purdue couldn't stop the run, but penn st had an even mix of runs and passes. this week they passed the ball 30 times, including some passes in the 4th quarter with a big lead. paterno-coached teams have traditionally been a lot more conservative than that, and would just consistently run into the pile with a good-sized lead in the 4th quarter. at this point, paterno may not be much more than a figurehead.

 

I think it's pretty clear that he didn't call plays in 2005, and isn't calling them this year. There is no chance that Paterno would cook up something called "The Hi-Def Offense". This is all Galen Hall

[snoodmonger]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

 

okie state is better than tech. It's possible they'll lose that game, but I doubt it, especially at home. Losing to Texas and OU hardly qualifies as getting exposed. Ignorant, hyperbolic statements like that are part of the reason it's impossible to take you seriously in these threads.

 

Are they a top 10 team? Probably not, but they have the talent to be one. I don't know if they're consistent enough.

[Flames24Rulz]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

 

I guess there must not be very many "good" teams in college football if Missouri "isn't very good."

[TruffleShuffle]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

 

I guess there must not be very many "good" teams in college football if Missouri "isn't very good."

 

well there's texas and florida, i guess maybe oklahoma and penn state too. four very good teams and everyone else sucks.

[NonProfitCow]

lol at okie state jumping up so much. mizzou isnt very good. okie state is going to get exposed when they come to austin. they'll also lose to tech and ou before its all said and done. they're not a top ten team jesus. everyone knows that.

 

I guess there must not be very many "good" teams in college football if Missouri "isn't very good."

 

well there's texas and florida, i guess maybe oklahoma and penn state too. four very good teams and everyone else sucks.

Until Mizzou stomps Texas next week.

[Guest]

They carted him off. Yay, he gave everyone the thumbs up, he's conscious!

And then some fight broke out and a fan fell onto the field.

 

Yeah, what a dumb ass. Arrests and a guy carted off the field.

 

Glad to hear Austin is relatively ok.

 

If anyone cares, just a neck strain and concussion for Austin. He was released from the hospital last night and flew into LA this morning.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm also wondering how much joe paterno is really coaching penn st anymore. one of the biggest knocks on paterno, and it's a valid one, is that when he'd go on the road to play an outclassed opponent, they'd just run the ball all day, not throw over the middle - basically "play not to lose." last week purdue couldn't stop the run, but penn st had an even mix of runs and passes. this week they passed the ball 30 times, including some passes in the 4th quarter with a big lead. paterno-coached teams have traditionally been a lot more conservative than that, and would just consistently run into the pile with a good-sized lead in the 4th quarter. at this point, paterno may not be much more than a figurehead.

 

I think it's pretty clear that he didn't call plays in 2005, and isn't calling them this year. There is no chance that Paterno would cook up something called "The Hi-Def Offense". This is all Galen Hall

 

right, obviously the offense is galen hall's doing, but even last year they went into super-conservative mode against michigan and it cost them the ballgame (along with, of course, anthony morelli). this year they haven't shown the conservative game plan in road games, nor have they really taken their foot off the gas in the fourth quarter.