College Football - Week of 10/11

[Guest]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

Team A in a BCS conference has 0 zero losses.

Team B in a BCS conference has 1 loss.

 

Team A should be ranked ahead of team B. You can only control who you beat on your schedule. The Big 12 is better than the SEC anyways.

 

So you can tell Team A is better than Team B because of their W-L record in 5 or 6 games?

[TruffleShuffle]

also, one of the great things about college football is that every week matters so much. that's why you can't miss ou-texas or okie st-mizzou. if undefeated duke and unc play in the middle of the college basketball season, you want to watch it, but at the end of the season, they're both going to head into the ncaa tourney as #1 seeds and have to win 6 games to get the championship. i don't care if usc has the most talent and wins every game the rest of this year by 100 points, they chose not to show up on a thursday night in corvallis, so i'm not giving them a ticket into the title game if a team like penn state goes undefeated, showing up for road games like purdue and wisconsin and wins those with ease.

[reds44]

The real problem with wins and losses is that when two teams play each other and the game is decided late, why does one team get a positive and the other a negative. close games are decided by one or two plays. that's it. what we *should* take from a game like that is not that one team won and one lost, but that both teams played equally.

LOL, this is amazing.

[imb]

college football is judged differently than other sports. i dont care if it's right or wrong, i like it

[Mephistopheles]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

Team A in a BCS conference has 0 zero losses.

Team B in a BCS conference has 1 loss.

 

Team A should be ranked ahead of team B. You can only control who you beat on your schedule. The Big 12 is better than the SEC anyways.

 

Team A had played 1-6 BCS school, 3-3 non BCS school, 2-3 non FBS school, 3-2 non BCS school and 2-4 BCS school. None of those teams had any chance beating them. The real problem is that theyre ranked ahead of them, its that he didnt have Okie State ranked ahead of UF before this week....and you cant say okie state made a bigger statement than uf today with a straight face. youre just kidding yourself if you think so.

Edited October 12, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[Flames24Rulz]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

Team A in a BCS conference has 0 zero losses.

Team B in a BCS conference has 1 loss.

 

Team A should be ranked ahead of team B. You can only control who you beat on your schedule. The Big 12 is better than the SEC anyways.

 

I agree on everything except the schedule part because we all know you can control your OOC portion. That being said, the best team that Florida played out of conference was a pretty bad Miami team. Oklahoma State's best OOC game was against an average Houston team. Okie State has scored over 50 points in all of their games except the opener (where they scored 39) and tonight. I know Meph will disagree, but at worst I believe the Big 12 and SEC are equal. I'm really not seeing where it's such a bad thing to have the Cowboys ranked over Florida.

[reds44]

wins and losses are a poor way to rank teams....as we can tell by the fact that BCS computers at this point have the rankings i posted earlier

 

Ah, I KNEW something was missing from the college football season.

 

Now with that post, the college football season is complete and I can enjoy the rest of the season in peace.

 

Why is it a bad idea to judge stats in baseball when you have a small sample but when it's football, it's alright?

 

They're two completely different sports. In football, everything is a small sample size because there's only 12-13 games where in baseball there's 162. I understand the sample size in baseball thing, but the sample size in football is the entire regular season.

 

But how do you get a proper, clear idea based on W-L of such a small sample?

Team A in a BCS conference has 0 zero losses.

Team B in a BCS conference has 1 loss.

 

Team A should be ranked ahead of team B. You can only control who you beat on your schedule. The Big 12 is better than the SEC anyways.

 

So you can tell Team A is better than Team B because of their W-L record in 5 or 6 games?

No, but you have to rank somebody after 5 or 5 games, and team A should be ranked higher. If Ok State ends the year with 0 losses and Florida ends with 1, OK State should be ranked higher.

[Flames24Rulz]

college football is judged differently than other sports. i dont care if it's right or wrong, i like it

 

That's what I've been trying to say, but you explained it much clearer.

[Mephistopheles]

because the logic is unjustified.

 

if you had OSU behind UF before today (you all did) then UF killing number 4 and OSU barely topping number 3 shouldnt change that.

[reds44]

because the logic is unjustified.

 

if you had OSU behind UF before today (you all did) then UF killing number 4 and OSU barely topping number 3 shouldnt change that.

I didn't, but thanks for trying to read my mind.

[Butterscup1679666578]

college football is judged differently than other sports. i dont care if it's right or wrong, i like it

 

Can we cry together tonight on the phone or AIM or something?

[Mephistopheles]

yes you did. don't lie.

[Guest]

Sigh. Looks like Terrance Austin was knocked out in the UCLA-Oregon game. There are only horrible camera angles in Eugene so you can't even see a view of him and see if he's conscious/alive/etc. But they've been looking at him for 5 mins on the field.

[reds44]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

Edited October 12, 2008 by reds44

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I agree with what Meph says in theory. W-L is not the best indicator of who is best. On the other hand, the best team needs to be decided on the field. That's the whole premise of athletics. While you can't go solely on W-L records because the schedules and conferences are so disparate, it is important to make the outcome of the games the primary determiner in who plays for the championship. I understand that at times a 2 loss team may be better than an undefeated team, but if they didn't get it done on the field they shouldn't be ranked higher.

[Guest]

They carted him off. Yay, he gave everyone the thumbs up, he's conscious!

[Guest]

And the game can't be started yet because an Oregon fan fell out of the stands and was knocked out.

[reds44]

They carted him off. Yay, he gave everyone the thumbs up, he's conscious!

And then some fight broke out and a fan fell onto the field.

[Guest]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

 

Are you for real? Wow.

[reds44]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

 

Are you for real? Wow.

Yes. Do I think Northwestern is better than Florida? No, and it proved out on the field. Rankings right now mean very little, it will all sort itself out by the end of the year. It's pretty simple, you both play in BCS conferences, a zero loss team is ahead of a one loss team. What gets tricky is when you get 0 vs. 0 or 1 vs. 1 or a non-BCS team gets thrown into the mix.

[Guest]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

 

Are you for real? Wow.

Yes. Do I think Northwestern is better then Florida? No, and it proved out on the field. Rankings right now mean very little, it will all sort itself out by the end of the year. It's pretty simple, you both play in BCS conferences, a zero loss team is ahead of a one loss team. What gets trick is when you get 0 vs. 0 or 1 vs. 1 or a non-BCS team gets thrown into the mix.

 

Then why do you rank Northwestern ahead of Florida? You don't think they're better but you rank them ahead.

[Guest]

They carted him off. Yay, he gave everyone the thumbs up, he's conscious!

And then some fight broke out and a fan fell onto the field.

 

Yeah, what a dumb ass. Arrests and a guy carted off the field.

 

Glad to hear Austin is relatively ok.

[reds44]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

 

Are you for real? Wow.

Yes. Do I think Northwestern is better then Florida? No, and it proved out on the field. Rankings right now mean very little, it will all sort itself out by the end of the year. It's pretty simple, you both play in BCS conferences, a zero loss team is ahead of a one loss team. What gets trick is when you get 0 vs. 0 or 1 vs. 1 or a non-BCS team gets thrown into the mix.

 

Then why do you rank Northwestern ahead of Florida? You don't think they're better but you rank them ahead.

Because they were more deserving. Over a 12 game schedule, the best teams will sort themselves out on the field. If you look at half a math problem and try to solve it, you are going to have issues. Just have to take it step by step.

[Guest]

Kevin Craft is AWFUL.

[Guest]

yes you did. don't lie.

No, I didn't. Every undefeated BCS team goes ahead of Florida (yes, including a team like Northwestern going into the day). Florida is my 2nd best 1 loss team behind USC.

 

Are you for real? Wow.

Yes. Do I think Northwestern is better then Florida? No, and it proved out on the field. Rankings right now mean very little, it will all sort itself out by the end of the year. It's pretty simple, you both play in BCS conferences, a zero loss team is ahead of a one loss team. What gets trick is when you get 0 vs. 0 or 1 vs. 1 or a non-BCS team gets thrown into the mix.

 

Then why do you rank Northwestern ahead of Florida? You don't think they're better but you rank them ahead.

Because they were more deserving. Over a 12 game schedule, the best teams will sort themselves out on the field. If you look at half a math problem and try to solve it, you are going to have issues. Just have to take it step by step.

 

So don't rank them.

 

12 games isn't a big enough sample to judge teams by W-L when they don't play the same teams.