What happens to Brewers if...

[XZero771679666304]

they don't make the playoffs? I saw this topic on Brewerfan.net, and thought it was worth discussion.

 

 

Personally, I think it would be a devastating blow. After last year, a lot of people invested themselves in the Brewers for 2008. This might not seem like a big deal, but you have to keep in mind that the Brewers place a distant second to the Packers (and even the Badgers) in the sporting consciousness of Wisconsinites, and sellouts were a fairly foreign concept prior to 2007.

 

So what happens if after all the hype and buildup, after trading for CC, the Crew completely craps the bed? And then Sheets and CC leave on top of it? I think baseball in Milwaukee takes a huge step back.

 

Sure, you'll still have the die hards, but I don't think you sell out many games (or sell as many season tickets) in 2009, which will affect the payroll. I also think playoff prospects for 2009 and the following few years go way down. Attanasio wants to spend, but if there is a reversion to the days of half full Miller Park, I don't see how he will be able to. There is a lot invested in this season for the Crew.

 

And as much as I am beginning to dislike the Brewers, it's nice to have a change of pace from the Cards and Astros for our main competition.

 

Am I off base here?

[UMFan83]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

[XZero771679666304]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

 

I'm not sure that's possible.

[SouthSideRyan]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

 

They're gonna trade for Brett Myers and sign Rafael Furcal?

[Clem Fandango]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

 

They're gonna trade for Brett Myers and sign Rafael Furcal?

 

Don't forget Lugo for backup and Dukes to replace Cameron

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

 

They're gonna trade for Brett Myers and sign Rafael Furcal?

rumor is they've got Gaudin on their radar

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not so sure.

 

Perhaps if they do something like lose every day from here on out that would be possible. But I think just building this level of excitement is enough to get people hooked. Looking at what the Cubs did, their collapse in 2003 was at least as painful as what the Brewers did last year. Then they go out and collapse in 2004. Ticket sales still went up. People got hooked. The Bears sort of came out of nowhere and became a dominant force and it's not like people just stopped caring about the Cubs, hell, they even had the CWS winning and that didn't put a dent in the Cubs fan base.

 

Now, I know Milwaukee is different. But MIL is also very far from GB and the only thing close to a successful home team. As long as they stay competitive, I think they've done enough to build on. There will be some backlash, but as long as their owners don't cut back drastically, they will be able to succeed in the long run. They will have to get rid of Yost and make some moves, but they should be able to convince the fans to stick with them.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh and Yost is totally gone if they miss the playoffs. The fans will riot otherwise.

[anabiono]

I'm not so sure.

 

Perhaps if they do something like lose every day from here on out that would be possible. But I think just building this level of excitement is enough to get people hooked. Looking at what the Cubs did, their collapse in 2003 was at least as painful as what the Brewers did last year. Then they go out and collapse in 2004. Ticket sales still went up. People got hooked. The Bears sort of came out of nowhere and became a dominant force and it's not like people just stopped caring about the Cubs, hell, they even had the CWS winning and that didn't put a dent in the Cubs fan base.

 

Now, I know Milwaukee is different. But MIL is also very far from GB and the only thing close to a successful home team. As long as they stay competitive, I think they've done enough to build on. There will be some backlash, but as long as their owners don't cut back drastically, they will be able to succeed in the long run. They will have to get rid of Yost and make some moves, but they should be able to convince the fans to stick with them.

 

no

[TruffleShuffle]

at one point the brewers were close to 95% to make the playoffs. by trading for sabathia and raising their payroll to $90M, the brewers have essentially gone all in. to miss the playoffs after disappointing finish last year would be a pretty big disaster for them. for all the hand-wringing about the cobs' poor play, the cubs have lost about three-quarters of a percent chance at making the playoffs. the brewers have lost about 20 percent.

[brewersbrewers]

If they don't fire Yost after this big choke job, I could see the Brewer attendance go under 2 million next year and no one will will pay attention to them until the day that clinch a playoff spot.

[dew1679666265]

at one point the brewers were close to 95% to make the playoffs. by trading for sabathia and raising their payroll to $90M, the brewers have essentially gone all in. to miss the playoffs after disappointing finish last year would be a pretty big disaster for them. for all the hand-wringing about the cobs' poor play, the cubs have lost about three-quarters of a percent chance at making the playoffs. the brewers have lost about 20 percent.

 

What are their current chances of making the playoffs?

[Cynosure]

they don't make the playoffs? I saw this topic on Brewerfan.net, and thought it was worth discussion.

 

 

Personally, I think it would be a devastating blow. After last year, a lot of people invested themselves in the Brewers for 2008. This might not seem like a big deal, but you have to keep in mind that the Brewers place a distant second to the Packers (and even the Badgers) in the sporting consciousness of Wisconsinites, and sellouts were a fairly foreign concept prior to 2007.

 

So what happens if after all the hype and buildup, after trading for CC, the Crew completely craps the bed? And then Sheets and CC leave on top of it? I think baseball in Milwaukee takes a huge step back.

 

Sure, you'll still have the die hards, but I don't think you sell out many games (or sell as many season tickets) in 2009, which will affect the payroll. I also think playoff prospects for 2009 and the following few years go way down. Attanasio wants to spend, but if there is a reversion to the days of half full Miller Park, I don't see how he will be able to. There is a lot invested in this season for the Crew.

 

And as much as I am beginning to dislike the Brewers, it's nice to have a change of pace from the Cards and Astros for our main competition.

 

Am I off base here?

 

You are not off-base at all.

 

I for one would LOVE to see this happen and send the 90% of Brewers bandwagon fan base back into hibernation for another decade.

 

I hope the baseball gods make it happen.

[nilodnayr]

at one point the brewers were close to 95% to make the playoffs. by trading for sabathia and raising their payroll to $90M, the brewers have essentially gone all in. to miss the playoffs after disappointing finish last year would be a pretty big disaster for them. for all the hand-wringing about the cobs' poor play, the cubs have lost about three-quarters of a percent chance at making the playoffs. the brewers have lost about 20 percent.

 

What are their current chances of making the playoffs?

 

Before tonight it was 73.2%. September 1st it was 94.6%. Its going to go up significantly (like 7%) after tonight though with them winning and the Cards and Phils losing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I was reading on MLB trade rumors that in the Brewers/Indians deal, theres still a PTBNL, and if the Brewers make the playoffs, the Indians chose the player, and if they dont, the Brewers chose. Im assuming a lot of the top guys like Escober and Gamel(or Laporta, I forget which one they already sent) are off limits, but still, its an interesting clause.

[nilodnayr]

they don't make the playoffs? I saw this topic on Brewerfan.net, and thought it was worth discussion.

 

 

Personally, I think it would be a devastating blow. After last year, a lot of people invested themselves in the Brewers for 2008. This might not seem like a big deal, but you have to keep in mind that the Brewers place a distant second to the Packers (and even the Badgers) in the sporting consciousness of Wisconsinites, and sellouts were a fairly foreign concept prior to 2007.

 

So what happens if after all the hype and buildup, after trading for CC, the Crew completely craps the bed? And then Sheets and CC leave on top of it? I think baseball in Milwaukee takes a huge step back.

 

Sure, you'll still have the die hards, but I don't think you sell out many games (or sell as many season tickets) in 2009, which will affect the payroll. I also think playoff prospects for 2009 and the following few years go way down. Attanasio wants to spend, but if there is a reversion to the days of half full Miller Park, I don't see how he will be able to. There is a lot invested in this season for the Crew.

 

And as much as I am beginning to dislike the Brewers, it's nice to have a change of pace from the Cards and Astros for our main competition.

 

Am I off base here?

 

I think they still have a fighting chance at the wild card next year even without Sabathia and Sheets. Gallardo, Parra, Bush, Suppan, and Villanueva aren't a terrible rotation. Rumors are they might trade Prince for some top line SP. With the rest of the NL Central stinking and the East and West up for grabs its definitely not out of the realm of possibility that they could contend for the wild card again

[nilodnayr]

I was reading on MLB trade rumors that in the Brewers/Indians deal, theres still a PTBNL, and if the Brewers make the playoffs, the Indians chose the player, and if they dont, the Brewers chose. Im assuming a lot of the top guys like Escober and Gamel(or Laporta, I forget which one they already sent) are off limits, but still, its an interesting clause.

 

Hmm,

I thought it was going to be that guy they were conveting to second base.

[Gmoney08]

Spousal abuse and alcoholism will go up in Wisconsin

 

I'm not sure that's possible.

 

haha i was thinking the same thing..

[badnews]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

[dew1679666265]

at one point the brewers were close to 95% to make the playoffs. by trading for sabathia and raising their payroll to $90M, the brewers have essentially gone all in. to miss the playoffs after disappointing finish last year would be a pretty big disaster for them. for all the hand-wringing about the cobs' poor play, the cubs have lost about three-quarters of a percent chance at making the playoffs. the brewers have lost about 20 percent.

 

What are their current chances of making the playoffs?

 

Before tonight it was 73.2%. September 1st it was 94.6%. Its going to go up significantly (like 7%) after tonight though with them winning and the Cards and Phils losing.

 

Thanks nilo.

[kujay]

No question, if they choke again, Yost is gone.

 

Make the playoffs, he gets another 3-4 years. They haven't seen playoff baseball in 26 years, so just getting there is a pretty big deal. And the way that team handles pressure, I wouldn't give them a chance against anyone in the first round.

[TruffleShuffle]

brewers went up 7%; they're a 4 in 5 shot at the playoffs. the cubs are back up to near 99.5% now.

[27up27down]

I was reading on MLB trade rumors that in the Brewers/Indians deal, theres still a PTBNL, and if the Brewers make the playoffs, the Indians chose the player, and if they dont, the Brewers chose. Im assuming a lot of the top guys like Escober and Gamel(or Laporta, I forget which one they already sent) are off limits, but still, its an interesting clause.

Michael Brantley and Taylor Green are the two rumored possibilities.

[Ball And Glove]

It won't be pretty, that's for sure. I don't see it setting baseball in Milwaukee back 20 years, but it could pressure an inexperienced owner like Mark Attanasio into doing some really stupid things. Once Yost is gone, Doug Melvin would probably be on the chopping block next, whether that's fair or not. Firing Melvin probably would set the team back a few years, though, since he's the first solid GM the Brewers have had since the early 80's.

 

Next year they'll definitely take a step back either way, but I could see them contending for a wildcard spot again if it's a down year and 86 wins or so will win it. It pretty much depends on how healthy Gallardo is -- he was insanely (and likely unsustainably) good this year before tearing that ACL. I wouldn't rule out them going after a veteran pitcher on the free agent market like Derek Lowe or something, but they might be scared to do so with Suppan's albatross contract hanging around. They could probably trade Hardy for a decent young pitcher, but then they'd be losing quite a bit of offense at a valuable position (not to mention their one good defensive infielder).

[nilodnayr]

Who wants to trade a top tier pitcher for a lardass .831 OPS 1st baseman? I don't see a fit for the Brewers getting good value back for Fielder. Look at who needs a 1b and who has a good pitcher to give up. Maybe the fits are there, but I'm not seeing them.

 

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