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[BigbadB]

As a baseball fan, it is fun to witness a no hitter. Being a Brewers fan, it was painful to watch the Brewers get no-hit by Verlander last year, but I still was cheering for him to do it when it was obvious that the game was not going to be won. I guess I like witnessing rare accomplishments in baseball. It is part of what makes the game great. Sure it is the same in the W-L column, but if that is all that matters to you, baseball can be kind of meaningless. It would be just as easy to look in the paper at the standings the day after a game without knowing how the win/loss was accompished.

 

As a baseball fan, I love watching pitchers throw a no hitter. But, changing a 1 hitter to a no hitter several days after the fact doesn't really do it for me.

 

I actually liked Joe Morgan's thoughts on official scorekeeping on Sunday Night Baseball (and I despise the man). His comment was that an official score keeper should never award the first hit of a game on an uncleanly fielded ball. I would agree with that. However, the official score keeper did score it as a hit, and at no time during the game did the official scorekeeper feel the need to change the call, therefore, it should stand as a hit.

 

I think SouthsideRyan has hit the nail on the head from several angles in this thread. The pressure of actually throwing a no hitter is why many no hitters get broken up late in a game, and CC never had that pressure. There is no way to know if he could have maintained his composure in that game if the possibility of a no hitter was within reach, which is part of the reason I enjoy watching pitchers throw a no hitter in the first place, and why so many more times a guy ends up giving up a hit late in the game.

 

As much baseball as I watch each season, I can come up with numerous occasions where hitters are awarded a hit on mishandled fielding plays. As relaxed as the official scorekeepers have become in marking errors season after season, I wouldn't be surprised to see the word error eventually stricken from MLB's vocabulary altogether within another decade. That's probably a bit of an exaggeration, but it has gotten ridiculous. I watched A-Rod screw up 3 times in a game that were very clearly and obvious errors. When I read the box score, they turned two of his errors into hits. Probably because they didn't want to make their golden boy look bad. The game I'm referring to was actually several years ago, but I still see this kind of stuff everyday.

[Guest]

I'd be actively rooting AGAINST any Cubs pitcher having a no hitter through 7 in a blowout if that situation were to come up the remainder of the year.

 

What do you think Lou would do if it was Harden? That would be an interesting decision.

 

he would pull him in a heartbeat

 

Yeah, I could see Lou leaving Z or Dempster in and letting him go for the no-no but I doubt he'd do it with Harden.

[shnsajax]

I'd be actively rooting AGAINST any Cubs pitcher having a no hitter through 7 in a blowout if that situation were to come up the remainder of the year.

 

What do you think Lou would do if it was Harden? That would be an interesting decision.

 

he would pull him in a heartbeat

 

Yeah, I could see Lou leaving Z or Dempster in and letting him go for the no-no but I doubt he'd do it with Harden.

 

Marquis can throw a no-no. I don't care how many pitches it takes.

[XZero771679666304]

 

Marquis can throw a no-no. I don't care how many pitches it takes.

 

215, plz.

[Ball And Glove]

The funny thing about this whole ordeal is that it almost happened earlier in Sabathia's stint in Milwaukee against the Giants. It was a similar situation in that a runner got on via an infield hit/uncleanly fielded ball between third and short, and there was no throw. The Giants scorekeeper called it the first hit of the game, and Sabathia took that one hit into the 7th or 8th inning before giving up another hit or two. The entire game Brian Anderson and Bill Schroeder were debating the idea of awarding the first hit of the game on a bobbled ball, even in the hole between third and short. Schroeder took Joe Morgan's stance, IIRC, in saying that the scorekeeper should think twice about it just in case something like that happens. I believe Schroeder added that if a real hit follows soon after that, the scorekeeper could always change that first questionable call to a hit later.

[bcl412]

No hitters are overrated

[shnsajax]

it stays an error, no no-no.

[manbearcub]

They just announced it has been upheld.

 

edit: shnsajax beat me to it.

[shnsajax]

Also if a pitcher makes an error he doesn't deserve the no hitter. If someone else makes it, that is out of his control. Just like if a pitcher makes an error and a run scores he deserves an earned run.

[Guest]

Also if a pitcher makes an error he doesn't deserve the no hitter. If someone else makes it, that is out of his control. Just like if a pitcher makes an error and a run scores he deserves an earned run.

 

But that's not measuring how good of a pitcher he is, it's including his fielding as well.

[Schwarber Fan]

And a Brewers fan has the handle "Jenksfan", why?

 

Do you want to be hated double?

[Ball And Glove]

And a Brewers fan has the handle "Jenksfan", why?

 

Do you want to be hated double?

 

Since the name is "JenksFan5" I'm going to assume it's an old username from when Geoff Jenkins was still with the Brewers. He wore #5 and was nicknamed "Jenks". It most likely has nothing to do with Bobby Jenks. ;)

[27up27down]

I actually liked Joe Morgan's thoughts on official scorekeeping on Sunday Night Baseball (and I despise the man). His comment was that an official score keeper should never award the first hit of a game on an uncleanly fielded ball. I would agree with that. However, the official score keeper did score it as a hit, and at no time during the game did the official scorekeeper feel the need to change the call, therefore, it should stand as a hit.

If you have two different definitions of a hit for different situations, it cheapens the no-hitter completely.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As always, the solution to this is to get rid of the ridiculous concept and implementation of the error.