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[Illini Iceman]

Ned seems to get worked up about some unimportant things.

 

"He accomplished a no-hitter and wasn't given what he deserved. That should have been a no-hitter," Yost said. "That's a stinking no-hitter we all got cheated from. I feel horrible for CC."

 

Probably could have pulled him after 7 innings with the big lead but might have left him in there so they can make their big protest.

 

"We are putting together a DVD with all the replays we have and sending it to MLB tomorrow," said Mike Vassallo, the Brewers' media relations director. "We had to send a call in earlier this season and got it reversed. So hopefully we can go 2-for-2."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280831123

[Schwarber Fan]

The least dramatic no-hitter of all time.

[SouthSideRyan]

I said in the game thread it's a borderline call, I could see either it going either way. But like instant replay, there's not enough there to overturn this call.

[shnsajax]

Wood didn't whine, he just struck everyone out.

[treebird]

120 pitches with a seven run lead so they can make a stupid appeal that will get shot down.

 

i hope cc implodes starting the last day of the regular season.

[shnsajax]

120 pitches with a seven run lead so they can make a stupid appeal that will get shot down.

 

i hope cc implodes starting the last day of the regular season.

 

I would rather it happen in game 5 of the NLDS.

[JimSorgi]

You know what he should do to make up for it? Start CC tomorrow. Maybe the next day too.

[Clem Fandango]

that's a hollow victory if they overturn the call.

 

NO-NO! YOU GOT IT WRONG! HE MADE AN ERROR DAMNIT! WHAT ARE YOU BLIND!

 

Don't really hear of people sending in an appeal to give someone on your own team an error.

 

Jeez, he pitched like a mad man, take the win and be done with it

[brewersbrewers]

CC had 2 extra days off in between starts, since the Brewers were off on Monday and Thursday. It is not a big deal. That was not a basehit, if CC picks the ball up cleanly the batter would have been out. I am guessing it will be overtuned.

[SouthSideRyan]

CC had 2 extra days off in between starts, since the Brewers were off on Monday and Thursday. It is not a big deal. That was not a basehit, if CC picks the ball up cleanly the batter would have been out. I am guessing it will be overtuned.

 

If a guy goes into the hole, picks it and drops it on the exchange it's a hit. LaRoche gets the hit.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, and Sabathia is totally going to get some meaningless start at the end of the year so Nedley can make a stupid Cy Young push.

[ELCABALLO45]

CC had 2 extra days off in between starts, since the Brewers were off on Monday and Thursday. It is not a big deal. That was not a basehit, if CC picks the ball up cleanly the batter would have been out. I am guessing it will be overtuned.

 

If a guy goes into the hole, picks it and drops it on the exchange it's a hit. LaRoche gets the hit.

 

It was the equivalent of a sac bunt. All Sabathia needed to do was pick it up (bare handed or not) throw the ball to 1st. LaRoche was not even half way to 1st when Sabathia grabbed the ball. If he does not bobble the ball he gets LaRoche (not the fastest player) easily.

 

I don't think they will overturn the call however.

[Soul]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

[Gingerballs Lives]

I have no problem with them challenging the ruling. If he picks it up, it's definitely an out.

 

However, I think Ned Yost is just an odd guy. A real growler, getting all worked up about this.

[ELCABALLO45]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Okay, I guess he just can't beat good teams then.

 

Anyway a point I saw brought up on BTF is that a big part of a no hitter is holding on to it as you start counting down outs late. CC didn't have that pressure because of the hit. He didn't have to worry about making his perfect pitches because he had nothing to pitch for. (And a logical manager wouldn't have had him pitching to begin with.

[ELCABALLO45]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Okay, I guess he just can't beat good teams then.

 

Anyway a point I saw brought up on BTF is that a big part of a no hitter is holding on to it as you start counting down outs late. CC didn't have that pressure because of the hit. He didn't have to worry about making his perfect pitches because he had nothing to pitch for. (And a logical manager wouldn't have had him pitching to begin with.

 

Well obviously thats part of it, but if MLB does overturn the call its not going to matter because it will count as a no hitter.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Because he threw 50 more innings than he had in the last several years. At this rate he's going to throw 15 more than last year. He's much higher on the PAP list this year.

[17 Seconds]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

I heard on the radio that this year the NL is going to allow only good NL teams into the playoffs too.

[ELCABALLO45]

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Because he threw 50 more innings than he had in the last several years. At this rate he's going to throw 15 more than last year. He's much higher on the PAP list this year.

 

Sabathia in Sept. last year went.. 4-0 with a 2.37 ERA. But in the playoffs he went..1-2 with a 8.80 ERA.

 

IMO it had to do more with him being excited to be in the playoffs and struggling, then his extra innings he pitched.

[Soul]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Okay, I guess he just can't beat good teams then.

 

Anyway a point I saw brought up on BTF is that a big part of a no hitter is holding on to it as you start counting down outs late. CC didn't have that pressure because of the hit. He didn't have to worry about making his perfect pitches because he had nothing to pitch for. (And a logical manager wouldn't have had him pitching to begin with.

 

Well obviously thats part of it, but if MLB does overturn the call its not going to matter because it will count as a no hitter.

Yes, but SSR's point is a good one and I hope MLB takes it into account. Should CC get a no-hitter when he didn't really have to go through the same circumstances as others who have gotten no-hitters?

 

It should make it into the discussion at least.

[ELCABALLO45]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Okay, I guess he just can't beat good teams then.

 

Anyway a point I saw brought up on BTF is that a big part of a no hitter is holding on to it as you start counting down outs late. CC didn't have that pressure because of the hit. He didn't have to worry about making his perfect pitches because he had nothing to pitch for. (And a logical manager wouldn't have had him pitching to begin with.

 

Well obviously thats part of it, but if MLB does overturn the call its not going to matter because it will count as a no hitter.

Yes, but SSR's point is a good one and I hope MLB takes it into account. Should CC get a no-hitter when he didn't really have to go through the same circumstances as others who have gotten no-hitters?

 

It should make it into the discussion at least.

 

I totally agree, also on the flip side.. Should CC not get a no hitter because some offical scorer gives a player a hit on a ball that could easily go as an error, more so than a hit?

 

Its going to be interesting in what they do. I COULD see them overturning it and could also see them not as well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wonder if Ned:

 

1) Is unaware CC faded in the playoffs from overuse

 

or

 

2) Is aware of it but doesn't care -- he'll get him enough rest to keep him good enough in the playoffs, ride his arm into oblivion during the playoffs and then say bye-bye, someone else's problem for '09

 

or

 

3) Really doesn't understand or believe there is any danger here -- "I can simply pitch CC as much as I want and nothing bad can happen because he's a horse."

 

The way he's pitching him at the moment, I think it'll just be blind luck if there are no negative consequences.

 

I don't agree with Sabathia throwing this many CG (except for today) but why is this just assumed that Sabathia got lit up from being overused? He did face the 2 of the best teams in the AL last year in the postseason.

 

Okay, I guess he just can't beat good teams then.

 

Anyway a point I saw brought up on BTF is that a big part of a no hitter is holding on to it as you start counting down outs late. CC didn't have that pressure because of the hit. He didn't have to worry about making his perfect pitches because he had nothing to pitch for. (And a logical manager wouldn't have had him pitching to begin with.

 

Well obviously thats part of it, but if MLB does overturn the call its not going to matter because it will count as a no hitter.

Yes, but SSR's point is a good one and I hope MLB takes it into account. Should CC get a no-hitter when he didn't really have to go through the same circumstances as others who have gotten no-hitters?

 

It should make it into the discussion at least.

 

I totally agree, also on the flip side.. Should CC not get a no hitter because some offical scorer gives a player a hit on a ball that could easily go as an error, more so than a hit?

 

Its going to be interesting in what they do. I COULD see them overturning it and could also see them not as well.

 

Wah wah wah, CC and Milt Pappas can cry in each others arms abou it.

[RedFlash]

CC had 2 extra days off in between starts, since the Brewers were off on Monday and Thursday. It is not a big deal. That was not a basehit, if CC picks the ball up cleanly the batter would have been out. I am guessing it will be overtuned.

 

It won't be overturned. Decision on what constitutes a hit or error or the whatnot is to the discretion of the score keeper. I don't remember ever hearing MLB ever overturn a score keeper's call, nor shall they.

 

I saw the play, and in my eyes it was essentially a drag bunt. Just because CC doesn't throw the ball means it must be an error. Personally, the call is correct, it was a hit.

 

Personally I think this is sour grapes on Ned Yost and the Brewers org. The Brewers org has seen 3 no-hitters either thrown for or against them, since the Brewers came into existance. The last no-hitter thrown for the Brewers was in 1987. So I will repeat it, Ned Yost and the Brewers are protesting it, not for CC, but because they want a no-hitter accredited to the franchise, and wipe the ugly taste out of the mouths from when Justin Verlander owned the Brewers.

[Amie]

Looks to me like Ned is helping CC pad his stats for the new contract with all these complete games, against teams that the bull pen could easily handle. In exchange, Ned is looking after him and doing his bidding, all along thinking he won't wear out. Not caring about next year.

 

But Neds not making any friends around the league with all this whining and complaining that's for sure. There is no way CC or Ned should expect or even think that call will be reversed. They never are, especially not for a manager who goes around wanting to squash every team he can. He needs to win series at this point, not take away a single hit from

Pittsburgh. Ned is confused as usual.

 

That got him in trouble last year... [-X