8/27 Other Games (MIL-Parra vs STL-Wainwright, 7:15 CDT)

[Brian]

Clinching in that last home series would be pretty awesome.

 

also don't want to have to play important games in NY in late September.

 

 

also. Ron already is planning on skipping the swan song for Shea... I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Cubs were set to potentially clinch there.

 

Wow. Is that because he'll just be taking some last days off before the playoffs, or he just refuses to go there because he hates it?

 

Not sure, I just remember reading somewhere that he wasn't going to make the trip to NY this year.

[David]

Roberts nailed as home as he attempted to score the tying run....

 

I love having MLB.tv

[Guest]

Perez is pretty widely known to be an excellent closer prospect. But I don't think that he's even the best closer prospect in the STL farm system. Jason Motte has 105/25 K/BB in 63 AAA innings.

 

Motte is excellent as well, but wasn't really on the radar until this season.

 

Anyone who doesn't know about Chris Perez, just doesn't follow baseball's minor leagues.

 

Chris Perez is a borderline top 100 prospect, I don't know that many folks even on NSBB would know many guys in that 50-100 range. Can you name the Cubs top 3 prospects?

[erik316wttn]

Roberts nailed as home as he attempted to score the tying run....

 

I love having MLB.tv

 

Maybe we should trade for that guy.

[BCVM22]

Maybe we should trade for that guy.

 

Dave Roberts of the Giants, not Brian. The Orioles blew out the White Sox earlier.

Edited August 28, 2008 by BCVM22

[David]

Roberts nailed as home as he attempted to score the tying run....

 

I love having MLB.tv

 

Maybe we should trade for that guy.

 

Wrong roberts

[CubInOK]

...nm

[David]

LOL back to back solo shots for the Giants

 

2-1 SF

[David]

Wow... Lincecum is at like 130 pitches.

 

WTH is wrong with so many managers?

[17 Seconds]

Wow... Lincecum is at like 130 pitches.

 

WTH is wrong with so many managers?

 

I came here to post the same thing. He ended up throwing 132 pitches. He was at 118 at the end of the 7th and Bochy tossed him back out there. Nuts.

[Outshined_One]

Wow... Lincecum is at like 130 pitches.

 

WTH is wrong with so many managers?

 

I came here to post the same thing. He ended up throwing 132 pitches. He was at 118 at the end of the 7th and Bochy tossed him back out there. Nuts.

 

McCovey Chronicles just exploded.

[TruffleShuffle]

lincecum's last 13 starts:

 

110

116

111

105

116

122

111

114

117

76 (knocked out of game by line drive)

119

115

132

 

this is his first full season in the majors, and he's averaging 112.6 pitches per game in the last 13 starts, and 115.7 pitches per game when you take out the game that they HAD to remove him early. all for a team that is going absolutely nowhere.

 

danger, will robinson.

[NonProfitCow]

Perez is pretty widely known to be an excellent closer prospect. But I don't think that he's even the best closer prospect in the STL farm system. Jason Motte has 105/25 K/BB in 63 AAA innings.

 

Motte is excellent as well, but wasn't really on the radar until this season.

 

Anyone who doesn't know about Chris Perez, just doesn't follow baseball's minor leagues.

 

Chris Perez is a borderline top 100 prospect, I don't know that many folks even on NSBB would know many guys in that 50-100 range. Can you name the Cubs top 3 prospects?

I don't know about RedVerbs, but I would say Pie, Hill and Vitters. If you don't want to count Hill, replace him with Ceda.

 

As far as guys that I think will make the club and be contributors I would say Cashner, Veal and Guzman. Just not too impressed by any position players in the system. Pie is intriguing and has put up some great numbers before, but he just seems really really raw.

[Rob]

Perez is pretty widely known to be an excellent closer prospect. But I don't think that he's even the best closer prospect in the STL farm system. Jason Motte has 105/25 K/BB in 63 AAA innings.

 

Motte is excellent as well, but wasn't really on the radar until this season.

 

Anyone who doesn't know about Chris Perez, just doesn't follow baseball's minor leagues.

 

Chris Perez is a borderline top 100 prospect, I don't know that many folks even on NSBB would know many guys in that 50-100 range. Can you name the Cubs top 3 prospects?

I don't know about RedVerbs, but I would say Pie, Hill and Vitters. If you don't want to count Hill, replace him with Ceda.

 

As far as guys that I think will make the club and be contributors I would say Cashner, Veal and Guzman. Just not too impressed by any position players in the system. Pie is intriguing and has put up some great numbers before, but he just seems really really raw.

 

Pie, Hill, and Guzman have all lost their rookie eligibility. They aren't prospects anymore.

 

And Chris Perez is certainly a solid prospect... but he's really not anything special, even among potential closers. Cashner, Fields, Perry, and Schlereth are all right there with him, and that's just from the first round of this draft. Add in the fact that closing prospects flame out more often than their counterparts (failed starters move to the bullpen... failed relievers move to the mexican league), and Perez loses some of that luster. Hell, just in the Cubs system I'd take Samardzija, Ceda, and maybe Cashner over him... and that's if you're forcing those guys into the bullpen.

 

As for the Cards top 3 prospects, I'd go:

 

1. Rasmus

2. Wallace

3. Garcia

 

Then again, I do have an irrational love for sinkerballers who get strikeouts (Webb, Z, Lowe, etc...). You probably wouldn't be out of your mind to pick somebody else at #3.

[RedVerbs]

Nobody who ranks prospects (BA or BP) would agree with you about Chris Perez being "Nothing Special", but if it makes you feel better to downgrade him, be my guest. How can you be a top 70 prospect by Baseball America and be nothing special? Especially a closer, when most top closers are unranked their entire minor league career?

 

And if you think any of those Cubs pitchers are on his level, you are being a delusional fanboy. The "Cubs" and the word "prospects" don't belong in the same sentence.

[bukie]

Nobody who ranks prospects (BA or BP) would agree with you about Chris Perez being "Nothing Special", but if it makes you feel better to downgrade him, be my guest. How can you be a top 70 prospect by Baseball America and be nothing special? Especially a closer, when most top closers are unranked their entire minor league career?

 

And if you think any of those Cubs pitchers are on his level, you are being a delusional fanboy. The "Cubs" and the word "prospects" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

As an example of "delusional fanboy", we have RedVerbs here today.

[UMFan83]

Following the Dodgers as they get swept in Philly and lose the first 2 in Washington is fun.

[Guest]

Nobody who ranks prospects (BA or BP) would agree with you about Chris Perez being "Nothing Special", but if it makes you feel better to downgrade him, be my guest. How can you be a top 70 prospect by Baseball America and be nothing special? Especially a closer, when most top closers are unranked their entire minor league career?

 

And if you think any of those Cubs pitchers are on his level, you are being a delusional fanboy. The "Cubs" and the word "prospects" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

Top 70? Perez was ranked 97 going into this season.

 

Samardzija is better than him. Ceda is close to his level. I'm not a delusional fan boy. You seem to find it hard to believe Cubs fans don't know BA's 97th rated prospect going into the season, yet you think "prospects" and "Cubs" don't belong in the same sentence? The Cubs had more prospects in BA's top 100 going into the season than the Cards did.

[Guest]

Perez is pretty widely known to be an excellent closer prospect. But I don't think that he's even the best closer prospect in the STL farm system. Jason Motte has 105/25 K/BB in 63 AAA innings.

 

Motte is excellent as well, but wasn't really on the radar until this season.

 

Anyone who doesn't know about Chris Perez, just doesn't follow baseball's minor leagues.

 

Chris Perez is a borderline top 100 prospect, I don't know that many folks even on NSBB would know many guys in that 50-100 range. Can you name the Cubs top 3 prospects?

I don't know about RedVerbs, but I would say Pie, Hill and Vitters. If you don't want to count Hill, replace him with Ceda.

 

As far as guys that I think will make the club and be contributors I would say Cashner, Veal and Guzman. Just not too impressed by any position players in the system. Pie is intriguing and has put up some great numbers before, but he just seems really really raw.

 

Not impressed with Vitters or is he just too far away for you to consider?

[Soul]

Following the Dodgers as they get swept in Philly and lose the first 2 in Washington is fun.

There always seems to be a team or two that pulls off the really big deadline deal and it simply doesn't help.

 

Last year it was Atlanta and Tex. This year it looks like it will be the Dodgers and Manny although there's still plenty of time left to turn it back around.

 

I'd rather face Colorado than Arizona, so go Rockies.

[mul21]

Nobody who ranks prospects (BA or BP) would agree with you about Chris Perez being "Nothing Special", but if it makes you feel better to downgrade him, be my guest. How can you be a top 70 prospect by Baseball America and be nothing special? Especially a closer, when most top closers are unranked their entire minor league career?

 

And if you think any of those Cubs pitchers are on his level, you are being a delusional fanboy. The "Cubs" and the word "prospects" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

Look, I follow the Cards probably as closely as anybody on this board since I live in St. Louis, so I have a pretty good idea of what they've got. Samardzija and Perez have similar makeup in terms of stuff (high 90s heat and a slider) but Samardzija has a much higher ceiling because he's so raw and has a 3rd pitch, plus he may develop into a groundball pitcher because of his 2 seamer. If you asked 100 scouts, at least 90-95 of them would take Shark over Perez. Not that Perez doesn't have a lot of good things going for him, he just doesn't potentially project to be a starter like Shark. And, he's the best the Cards have right now to finish games as long as Duncan leaves him alone.

[illiniguy]

Nobody who ranks prospects (BA or BP) would agree with you about Chris Perez being "Nothing Special", but if it makes you feel better to downgrade him, be my guest. How can you be a top 70 prospect by Baseball America and be nothing special? Especially a closer, when most top closers are unranked their entire minor league career?

 

And if you think any of those Cubs pitchers are on his level, you are being a delusional fanboy. The "Cubs" and the word "prospects" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

Look, I follow the Cards probably as closely as anybody on this board since I live in St. Louis, so I have a pretty good idea of what they've got. Samardzija and Perez have similar makeup in terms of stuff (high 90s heat and a slider) but Samardzija has a much higher ceiling because he's so raw and has a 3rd pitch, plus he may develop into a groundball pitcher because of his 2 seamer. If you asked 100 scouts, at least 90-95 of them would take Shark over Perez. Not that Perez doesn't have a lot of good things going for him, he just doesn't potentially project to be a starter like Shark. And, he's the best the Cards have right now to finish games as long as Duncan leaves him alone.

How can you say we have no prospects. After you say you follow Baseball America to get your rankings on players? Vitters will be a top 30 player by them next year. Hell Castilla will be ranked pretty highly as well. But, yeah we have no prospects, we just traded some mid level ones for Rich Harden though. That worked out well for us.

[NonProfitCow]

Perez is pretty widely known to be an excellent closer prospect. But I don't think that he's even the best closer prospect in the STL farm system. Jason Motte has 105/25 K/BB in 63 AAA innings.

 

Motte is excellent as well, but wasn't really on the radar until this season.

 

Anyone who doesn't know about Chris Perez, just doesn't follow baseball's minor leagues.

 

Chris Perez is a borderline top 100 prospect, I don't know that many folks even on NSBB would know many guys in that 50-100 range. Can you name the Cubs top 3 prospects?

I don't know about RedVerbs, but I would say Pie, Hill and Vitters. If you don't want to count Hill, replace him with Ceda.

 

As far as guys that I think will make the club and be contributors I would say Cashner, Veal and Guzman. Just not too impressed by any position players in the system. Pie is intriguing and has put up some great numbers before, but he just seems really really raw.

 

Not impressed with Vitters or is he just too far away for you to consider?

I actually just blanked on him. He does have a ton of upside, especially if he can get that walk rate up and turn some of those doubles into home runs.