Cubs looking @ Ibanez?

[nilodnayr]

And if he is going to be a type A, you almost have to make it IMO. Give up two "solid" prospects as MLBTR says the M' want, and get back some of >= value next season.

 

In last offseasons rankings Ibanez was solidly an "A". However, dropping off his 2006 season and replacing it with his 2008 season puts him much closer to the A/B threshold. Unless he picks it up in the home stretch, I don't think he'll make it...but it will be close.

[BigbadB]

And if he is going to be a type A, you almost have to make it IMO. Give up two "solid" prospects as MLBTR says the M' want, and get back some of >= value next season.

 

In last offseasons rankings Ibanez was solidly an "A". However, dropping off his 2006 season and replacing it with his 2008 season puts him much closer to the A/B threshold. Unless he picks it up in the home stretch, I don't think he'll make it...but it will be close.

 

I would think a move to the NC Central from the AL West would be advantageous to his overall offensive output. Seattle, Oakland and Anaheim aren't great hitter's parks, even though Arlington is paradise. Not to mention the fact that Seattle's line up has been pretty horrific this year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Mariners reportedly want 2 quality prospects, and the Mets are the only other suiter. Seeing as another outfielder is something the Mets really need, as opposed to a luxery bat off the bench, I expect them to outbid us if it comes down to it.

 

Then let them, I guess. I wouldn't give two "quality" prospects for him, unless they see quality as Hart and Adkins.

 

If Edmonds was injured, and we needed him, Id offer 2, maybe 3 of

 

Hoffpauir

Andres Blanco

Matt Craig

Ryan Harvey

Jake Fox

Sam Fuld

Josh Kroeger

Kevin Hart

Randy Wells

Carmen Pignietello

Mike Wuertz

JR Mathes

Mark Hollimon

Justin Berg

[nilodnayr]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

 

I wouldn't say Dunn will come cheaply, but it sounds like there is very little interest in him. While we'd obviously have to give up something better than what the Reds will get back in draft compensation, but that'd sure be worth it for the stretch run (and our draft compensation).

 

Frankly, I don't buy the whole "intradivision" pricetag in a situation like this where one team is way out and the player will be a rental. If the Reds like what we're offering more than 2 draft picks, then why should they hurt their team by turning us down? They aren't competing against us for the rest of the year. Given that Ibanez has some teams very intersted in him with the M's having a big asking price, I really don't think the cost will be that different for the two players. And definitely nowhere near the difference value.

[nilodnayr]

And if he is going to be a type A, you almost have to make it IMO. Give up two "solid" prospects as MLBTR says the M' want, and get back some of >= value next season.

 

In last offseasons rankings Ibanez was solidly an "A". However, dropping off his 2006 season and replacing it with his 2008 season puts him much closer to the A/B threshold. Unless he picks it up in the home stretch, I don't think he'll make it...but it will be close.

 

I would think a move to the NC Central from the AL West would be advantageous to his overall offensive output. Seattle, Oakland and Anaheim aren't great hitter's parks, even though Arlington is paradise. Not to mention the fact that Seattle's line up has been pretty horrific this year.

 

Yeah, I would agree and definitely hope, I'm just saying that he'll probably be on the fence.

[rchap24]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

 

I wouldn't say Dunn will come cheaply, but it sounds like there is very little interest in him. While we'd obviously have to give up something better than what the Reds will get back in draft compensation, but that'd sure be worth it for the stretch run (and our draft compensation).

 

Frankly, I don't buy the whole "intradivision" pricetag in a situation like this where one team is way out and the player will be a rental. If the Reds like what we're offering more than 2 draft picks, then why should they hurt their team by turning us down? They aren't competing against us for the rest of the year. Given that Ibanez has some teams very intersted in him with the M's having a big asking price, I really don't think the cost will be that different for the two players. And definitely nowhere near the difference value.

 

I really would love Dunn really guys, but there is no way and I mean no way that were getting Dunn...First off we dont have the assets to attain him...secondly Hendry has already said there probably will only be a small trade if any.

[davell]

There must really be something we don't know about Dunn, for him to evidently have little to no takers out there. Either the asking price is through the roof, he's injured, he's a "clubhouse cancer", he's slept with every GM's wife, he's not even truly available or something else. But, there almost HAS to be something, right?

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm not that excited about this, especially if he's terrible in RF. I'd rather go after Jason Bay, but he's not one of them prestigious lefties.

[nilodnayr]

There must really be something we don't know about Dunn, for him to evidently have little to no takers out there. Either the asking price is through the roof, he's injured, he's a "clubhouse cancer", he's slept with every GM's wife, he's not even truly available or something else. But, there almost HAS to be something, right?

 

 

OR that lots of baseball teams don't value him correctly. Naw, that couldn't be it.

 

I'd bet its about 75% that, 25% asking price too high.

[Burtonbell]

I would not mind:

 

Soriano LF

Fukudome CF

Lee 1b

ARam 3b

Ibanez RF

Soto C

DeRo 2b

Theriot SS

Pitcher

 

As long as the prospects aren't in the top tier, I would do it.

[BigbadB]

I really would love Dunn really guys, but there is no way and I mean no way that were getting Dunn...First off we dont have the assets to attain him...secondly Hendry has already said there probably will only be a small trade if any.

 

A small trade can't get much smaller than a 1/1 trade. :lol:

 

Of course, there's always the trade of one player for a bag of balls.

[rchap24]

I really would love Dunn really guys, but there is no way and I mean no way that were getting Dunn...First off we dont have the assets to attain him...secondly Hendry has already said there probably will only be a small trade if any.

 

A small trade can't get much smaller than a 1/1 trade. :lol:

 

Of course, there's always the trade of one player for a bag of balls.

 

Haha

[BigbadB]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

 

I wouldn't say Dunn will come cheaply, but it sounds like there is very little interest in him. While we'd obviously have to give up something better than what the Reds will get back in draft compensation, but that'd sure be worth it for the stretch run (and our draft compensation).

 

Frankly, I don't buy the whole "intradivision" pricetag in a situation like this where one team is way out and the player will be a rental. If the Reds like what we're offering more than 2 draft picks, then why should they hurt their team by turning us down? They aren't competing against us for the rest of the year. Given that Ibanez has some teams very intersted in him with the M's having a big asking price, I really don't think the cost will be that different for the two players. And definitely nowhere near the difference value.

 

I'd agree with this if it was a guarantee that he was only a rental player. But, with Cub's ownership currently in flux, that isn't a guarantee. If Mark Cuban bought the team, there is always the possibility that he could give Dunn a lengthy contract.

 

Are the Reds willing to trade Dunn to a team in their division and then face him for the next 5 some odd years?

[nilodnayr]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

 

I wouldn't say Dunn will come cheaply, but it sounds like there is very little interest in him. While we'd obviously have to give up something better than what the Reds will get back in draft compensation, but that'd sure be worth it for the stretch run (and our draft compensation).

 

Frankly, I don't buy the whole "intradivision" pricetag in a situation like this where one team is way out and the player will be a rental. If the Reds like what we're offering more than 2 draft picks, then why should they hurt their team by turning us down? They aren't competing against us for the rest of the year. Given that Ibanez has some teams very intersted in him with the M's having a big asking price, I really don't think the cost will be that different for the two players. And definitely nowhere near the difference value.

 

I'd agree with this if it was a guarantee that he was only a rental player. But, with Cub's ownership currently in flux, that isn't a guarantee. If Mark Cuban bought the team, there is always the possibility that he could give Dunn a lengthy contract.

 

Are the Reds willing to trade Dunn to a team in their division and then face him for the next 5 some odd years?

 

Unless they plan on signing him to an extention then theres no difference between them trading him to us now and letting him walk in the offseason.

[RammyFanny]

How about Mark Kotsay for Edmonds insurance? Everyone says he's available over the last few days and he has an .800+ OPS versus righties.

[Bull]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

He's not much worse this year than previous years.

 

OPS+ from 2001 to 2008: 115, 122, 103, 116, 115, 125, 121, 120

 

What is OPS+ anyway?

 

How can you possibly have 4500 post at NSBB and not know this?

 

The education committee is not doing their job!

[Backtobanks]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

 

I wouldn't say Dunn will come cheaply, but it sounds like there is very little interest in him. While we'd obviously have to give up something better than what the Reds will get back in draft compensation, but that'd sure be worth it for the stretch run (and our draft compensation).

 

Frankly, I don't buy the whole "intradivision" pricetag in a situation like this where one team is way out and the player will be a rental. If the Reds like what we're offering more than 2 draft picks, then why should they hurt their team by turning us down? They aren't competing against us for the rest of the year. Given that Ibanez has some teams very intersted in him with the M's having a big asking price, I really don't think the cost will be that different for the two players. And definitely nowhere near the difference value.

 

I saw on one site that there is no interest in Huff either and he's having a great season. I guess GMs aren't willing to give up prospects for 2-month rentals of one-dimensional hitters.

[nilodnayr]

How about Mark Kotsay for Edmonds insurance? Everyone says he's available over the last few days and he has an .800+ OPS versus righties.

 

 

And crap the years before it. Kotsay hasn't put up a decent season since 2004 and hasn't been healthy the last few years.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

I will vote NO on this one. [-X

 

For a 120 OPS+, I'd give a couple of decent minor leaguers. Ibanez would force Edmonds to the bench and give us a heck of a pinch hitter.

 

I'm not convinced Edmonds will stay healthy all year.

 

I agree with you...Even if Ibanez isn't playing real well this year the fact that we could get another left handed center fielder in case of a Edmonds injury.

 

He's not much worse this year than previous years.

 

OPS+ from 2001 to 2008: 115, 122, 103, 116, 115, 125, 121, 120

 

What is OPS+ anyway?

 

How can you possibly have 4500 post at NSBB and not know this?

 

The education committee is not doing their job!

you haven't spent enough time around here lately if you have to ask

[SouthSideRyan]

I would not mind:

 

Soriano LF

Fukudome CF

Lee 1b

ARam 3b

Ibanez RF

Soto C

DeRo 2b

Theriot SS

Pitcher

 

As long as the prospects aren't in the top tier, I would do it.

 

That's not even an improvement on what we have right now.

[davearm2]

Ibanez

Dunn

Manny

Bay

 

Folks, these guys are all barely-passable LFs. They ain't RFs, and obviously not CFs.

 

The Cubs have got a LF already, and they're not experimenting with moving him to a new position again.

 

The only acquisition that can possibly make sense would involve a guy that can play CF or RF.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jason Bay's a pretty good defensive OF. He'd certainly be fine in RF, and could probably take CF in an emergency.

[nilodnayr]

Ibanez

Dunn

Manny

Bay

 

Folks, these guys are all barely-passable LFs. They ain't RFs, and obviously not CFs.

 

The Cubs have got a LF already, and they're not experimenting with moving him to a new position again.

 

The only acquisition that can possibly make sense would involve a guy that can play CF or RF.

 

meh, if you can play left you can play right

[inari]

Sadly, there won't be even a bit of interest in Jason Bay because he's right handed. But, imagine...

 

LF Soriano

CF Fukudome

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Bay

C Soto

2B DeRosa

SS Theriot

 

Yeah, it's really right handed. And it'll score a ton of runs.

[dew1679666265]

I would not mind:

 

Soriano LF

Fukudome CF

Lee 1b

ARam 3b

Ibanez RF

Soto C

DeRo 2b

Theriot SS

Pitcher

 

As long as the prospects aren't in the top tier, I would do it.

 

That's not even an improvement on what we have right now.

 

If Edmonds gets injured or drops off, it is. And while there's certainly no guarantee that Edmonds will miss significant time with an injury, he's already having nagging issues.