7/20 Other Games

[Andy]

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if I imagined that snippet I remember hearing an announcer (may have been McLaughlin or it may have been a Fox game) say about Skippy Schumaker working out with McGwire in the offseason back in April. Because I'm pretty sure I heard it and yet absolutely nothing has been made of it, if it is true. If a Cub spent the off-season working out with Sosa and then saw an increase in production, no matter how slight, I suspect it'd be a big deal.

 

Does anyone else remember this being said, or am I crazy?

 

It was a FOX game. McGwire has been helping out a number of players such as Schumacher. He wants to get into coaching, but knows that the time is not now. So, he is going to take the personal instructor approach until/if he is welcomed back.

 

I can't remember it was either Kirkjian or Buster Olney who I heard mention this.

Thank you. I know full well that it'd be unfair of the media to bring this sort of thing up in an accusatory tone (the whole witch hunt thing), but I'm still surprised they haven't.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It was a FOX game. McGwire has been helping out a number of players such as Schumacher. He wants to get into coaching, but knows that the time is not now. So, he is going to take the personal instructor approach until/if he is welcomed back.

 

I can't remember it was either Kirkjian or Buster Olney who I heard mention this.

if it was during a Fox telecast, I'm pretty sure you heard neither of them mention it

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

It was a FOX game. McGwire has been helping out a number of players such as Schumacher. He wants to get into coaching, but knows that the time is not now. So, he is going to take the personal instructor approach until/if he is welcomed back.

 

I can't remember it was either Kirkjian or Buster Olney who I heard mention this.

if it was during a Fox telecast, I'm pretty sure you heard neither of them mention it

 

No, it was mentioned on the FOX broadcast and then a couple of days later it was talked about it on ESPN. I should have been more clear on that.

[CubinNY]

It was a FOX game. McGwire has been helping out a number of players such as Schumacher. He wants to get into coaching, but knows that the time is not now. So, he is going to take the personal instructor approach until/if he is welcomed back.

 

I can't remember it was either Kirkjian or Buster Olney who I heard mention this.

if it was during a Fox telecast, I'm pretty sure you heard neither of them mention it

 

No, it was mentioned on the FOX broadcast and then a couple of days later it was talked about it on ESPN. I should have been more clear on that.

It's pretty weird because McGwire was not a good hitter. He was a slugger.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

It was a FOX game. McGwire has been helping out a number of players such as Schumacher. He wants to get into coaching, but knows that the time is not now. So, he is going to take the personal instructor approach until/if he is welcomed back.

 

I can't remember it was either Kirkjian or Buster Olney who I heard mention this.

if it was during a Fox telecast, I'm pretty sure you heard neither of them mention it

 

No, it was mentioned on the FOX broadcast and then a couple of days later it was talked about it on ESPN. I should have been more clear on that.

It's pretty weird because McGwire was not a good hitter. He was a slugger.

 

Here's a USA Today article on it.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-06-30-mcgwire_N.htm

[chitowngui]

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

[E.J.]

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

 

Run differential doesn't win championships, but it definitely affects a team's win/loss record. Not going to win many games if you can't score more runs than your opponents.

[David]

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

 

 

:banghead:

 

Things like run differential (and other far more complicated statistics) can be used to tell you how much better at baseball one team is than another beyond what simple W-L totals can tell you. The desired end result is more wins. But actually evaluating these things beyond that shallow surface is what can tell you what is most likely to happen before it happens.

 

If two teams are .500, say, two months into the season, but one of these teams is outscoring opponents by several runs while the other has a fairly even or negative run differential, which of those teams do you think is likely more talented and therefore more likely to win more games going forward?

[chitowngui]

If that is the case then they should just hand division championships to every team leading the run differential at all star break.. big whoop. I want to see a ring.

 

 

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

 

 

:banghead:

 

Things like run differential (and other far more complicated statistics) can be used to tell you how much better at baseball one team is than another beyond what simple W-L totals can tell you. The desired end result is more wins. But actually evaluating these things beyond that shallow surface is what can tell you what is most likely to happen before it happens.

 

If two teams are .500, say, two months into the season, but one of these teams is outscoring opponents by several runs while the other has a fairly even or negative run differential, which of those teams do you think is likely more talented and therefore more likely to win more games going forward?

[Guest]

If that is the case then they should just hand division championships to every team leading the run differential at all star break.. big whoop. I want to see a ring.

 

Seeing as we don't have a Delorean, we can use numbers with the best predictive value to predict which teams are better and more likely to make the playoffs. No one is saying the Cubs are going to win the division because they have the best run differential the ASB.

[E.J.]

If that is the case then they should just hand division championships to every team leading the run differential at all star break.. big whoop. I want to see a ring.

 

 

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

 

 

:banghead:

 

Things like run differential (and other far more complicated statistics) can be used to tell you how much better at baseball one team is than another beyond what simple W-L totals can tell you. The desired end result is more wins. But actually evaluating these things beyond that shallow surface is what can tell you what is most likely to happen before it happens.

 

If two teams are .500, say, two months into the season, but one of these teams is outscoring opponents by several runs while the other has a fairly even or negative run differential, which of those teams do you think is likely more talented and therefore more likely to win more games going forward?

 

You might want to check out the run differentials for all the top teams in the Major Leagues. You'll find that they are at the top of their respective divisions in most cases. You can't just come here and say "show me a ring" and expect that you mean anything. We're showing you why the Cubs are the better team and you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

[chitowngui]

Cubs and Cards are even at 3-3 in matchups regardless of run differental. That is a fact whether we like it or not.

 

you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

[E.J.]

Cubs and Cards are even at 3-3 in matchups regardless of run differental. That is a fact whether we like it or not.

 

you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

 

ok. i'm done.

[Guest]

Cubs and Cards are even at 3-3 in matchups regardless of run differental. That is a fact whether we like it or not.

 

you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

 

You might try to realize what the point of using run differential is (unless you think the Cubs and Cardinals will not play again this season and 3-3 will be their final record). Might start with actually reading previous posts:

 

Things like run differential (and other far more complicated statistics) can be used to tell you how much better at baseball one team is than another beyond what simple W-L totals can tell you. The desired end result is more wins. But actually evaluating these things beyond that shallow surface is what can tell you what is most likely to happen before it happens.

[Guest]

You're probably right, E.J.

[E.J.]

Cubs and Cards are even at 3-3 in matchups regardless of run differental. That is a fact whether we like it or not.

 

you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

 

Just one more question. Are you a Cardinals fan? You seem to be acting like you're a Cubs fan, but 95% of your posts have been about the Cardinals. It's okay if you are a Cardinals fan.

[David]

If that is the case then they should just hand division championships to every team leading the run differential at all star break.. big whoop. I want to see a ring.

 

 

Since when did run differential win a championship? It really means nothing since the Cards and Cubs are tied 3-3 for the season series.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't see the margin in talent being significant. Cubs are better, but nothing dramatic. .

 

The Cubs have outscored their opponents by 111 runs, the widest margin, by far, in MLB. The Cardinals and Brewers have outscored opponents by 33 and 27 runs, nice, but good for 8th and 12th in baseball. The Cubs are pretty clearly the most talented team, by a significant margin. They have the highest Runs scored in the NL and highest OPS, with the 2nd best ERA and best BAA. Neither Brewers nor the Cardinals are capable of matching up in both the pitching and hitting categories.

 

 

:banghead:

 

Things like run differential (and other far more complicated statistics) can be used to tell you how much better at baseball one team is than another beyond what simple W-L totals can tell you. The desired end result is more wins. But actually evaluating these things beyond that shallow surface is what can tell you what is most likely to happen before it happens.

 

If two teams are .500, say, two months into the season, but one of these teams is outscoring opponents by several runs while the other has a fairly even or negative run differential, which of those teams do you think is likely more talented and therefore more likely to win more games going forward?

 

 

If what, exactly, is the case? Nothing I said could logically lead anyone to the conclusion that division titles should be handed to the teams with the best run differentials at the all star break. What a dumb post.

[chitowngui]

Nope.. just another cubbie fan following the piper to Lake Michigan...

 

:blush:

Cubs and Cards are even at 3-3 in matchups regardless of run differental. That is a fact whether we like it or not.

 

you are not giving us any facts to refute that.

 

Just one more question. Are you a Cardinals fan? You seem to be acting like you're a Cubs fan, but 95% of your posts have been about the Cardinals. It's okay if you are a Cardinals fan.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't know where to go with this, point out that all 6 Cubs/Cards games have been in St. Louis or point out that the FACT that the Cardinals have a losing record against the Giants, therefore, Giants best team in baseball.