2008 All-Star Game: NL (Sheets) @ AL (Lee) 7 pm FOX

[hardcorecubfan]

If it is going to be a determining factor make it the third criteria

 

Best record if that is equal.

best inter-league record if that is equal

then the All-star game

[Garwilly]

After a game like this, and since the new "HFA" rule was put in... and no, not because the NL lost... I agree with the person who said just skip the whole deal and give everyone 4-5 days off.

 

And re-instate & keep the "best record gets HFA" rule.

 

So best record is fair, now? The Celtics beat up on the weak Eastern Conference this year and got home court in the NBA finals. Same could happen every year in baseball.

 

Why not use league vs. league interleague record? This way the stronger league gets HFA. The AL is clearly a better league this year and interleague proved it. Let them have HFA.

 

would that be the same Boston Celtics team that went 25-5 against the West last year?

 

yeah, don't let facts get in the way of your arguments

 

I think the point is a valid one though.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the NL West could go 100-62 and get the best record.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the AL Esst could go 92-70 and get the 2nd or third best record.

 

Same team, but the schedule surely plays a huge part.

[erik316wttn]

Man, so close to a freaking tie ending HFA being determined by this game once and for all.

 

Was MLB talking about ending the game?

[bcl412]

After a game like this, and since the new "HFA" rule was put in... and no, not because the NL lost... I agree with the person who said just skip the whole deal and give everyone 4-5 days off.

 

And re-instate & keep the "best record gets HFA" rule.

 

So best record is fair, now? The Celtics beat up on the weak Eastern Conference this year and got home court in the NBA finals. Same could happen every year in baseball.

 

Why not use league vs. league interleague record? This way the stronger league gets HFA. The AL is clearly a better league this year and interleague proved it. Let them have HFA.

 

would that be the same Boston Celtics team that went 25-5 against the West last year?

 

yeah, don't let facts get in the way of your arguments

 

I think the point is a valid one though.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the NL West could go 100-62 and get the best record.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the AL Esst could go 92-70 and get the 2nd or third best record.

 

Same team, but the schedule surely plays a huge part.

 

If you take AL inter league record vs NL inter league record you still bring up the issue of having other teams decide who get home field advantage. If the Cubs go undefeated against the NL teams lose all or most of their games making the AL have more wins. This doesn't tell me that the Cubs are worse than the AL it tells me that the rest of the NL sucks.

 

I think maybe BCS style rating system for who gets home field that takes into strength of schedule and how you do against it or since that may be way to much to decide home field (it probably is) maybe you could do how the teams did head to head (if they played) or if they didn't play how they did in inter league. And eve this would be flawed. The one thing I know is though, you can't have it decided by an exhibition game where a player from a crappy team could decide it and having it every other year seems fair on the surface but it really isn't either.

[Derwood]

After a game like this, and since the new "HFA" rule was put in... and no, not because the NL lost... I agree with the person who said just skip the whole deal and give everyone 4-5 days off.

 

And re-instate & keep the "best record gets HFA" rule.

 

So best record is fair, now? The Celtics beat up on the weak Eastern Conference this year and got home court in the NBA finals. Same could happen every year in baseball.

 

Why not use league vs. league interleague record? This way the stronger league gets HFA. The AL is clearly a better league this year and interleague proved it. Let them have HFA.

 

would that be the same Boston Celtics team that went 25-5 against the West last year?

 

yeah, don't let facts get in the way of your arguments

 

I think the point is a valid one though.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the NL West could go 100-62 and get the best record.

 

Imaginary good team X when put in the AL Esst could go 92-70 and get the 2nd or third best record.

 

Same team, but the schedule surely plays a huge part.

 

I assume your hypothetical here is that the NL West is weaker than the AL East.

 

Okay, but what if the 100 win NL West team was just .500 against their own division but the 92 win AL East team dominated their division? This isn't so black and white as you're trying to make it

 

that said, even using best record with unequal schedules is a more "fair" way of determining HFA than a frigging All Star Game

[SouthSideRyan]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

[WindyCity]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

 

Didn't it just alternate between AL/NL every year?

[Derwood]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

 

Didn't it just alternate between AL/NL every year?

 

yes, which was also idiotic. HFA should, in some way, be based on the merit of the two teams involved, not a rotating schedule or an exhibition game

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

 

Didn't it just alternate between AL/NL every year?

 

yes, which was also idiotic. HFA should, in some way, be based on the merit of the two teams involved, not a rotating schedule or an exhibition game

or always played in the Superdome on turf

[UMFan83]

Someone start Friday's game thread. I need something to look forward to.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

 

Didn't it just alternate between AL/NL every year?

 

yes, which was also idiotic. HFA should, in some way, be based on the merit of the two teams involved, not a rotating schedule or an exhibition game

or always played in the Superdome on turf

 

Excellent idea!

[rawaction]

111 pages for an exhibition game? You lames!

[Guest]

Just rotate the World Series games between the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl.

[bcl412]

Just rotate the World Series games between the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl.

 

I'd consider the Cotton Bowl as a 5th location possibility.

[rawaction]

Just rotate the World Series games between the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl.

 

Only if the parks can have the 190ft to LF like the LA Coliseum.

[Derwood]

joking aside, i hate neutral site games in any sport

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I bet about 95% of baseball fans don't realize how HFA was determined before the All star game decided it.

 

Didn't it just alternate between AL/NL every year?

 

yes, which was also idiotic. HFA should, in some way, be based on the merit of the two teams involved, not a rotating schedule or an exhibition game

or always played in the Superdome on turf

 

Excellent idea!

 

The Trop may have to suffice this year.

[weatherdood]

I'll be very interested to see how Uggla is received at Wrigley next weekend when Florida pays a visit.

 

Probably a good thing for him that the four game set in Chicago is Florida's only road series between now and August 5

[CubsBears29]

I'll be very interested to see how Uggla is received at Wrigley next weekend when Florida pays a visit.

 

Probably a good thing for him that the four game set in Chicago is Florida's only road series between now and August 5

 

Uggla will be the most hated man in Chicago (NS), New York (Mets), Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Miami, St Louis, Phoenix, and Los Angeles (Dodgers).

 

Those are the home cities of the 8 teams with the most legit shot at reaching the playoffs, thus with a shot at the WS too.

[Guest]

After a game like this, and since the new "HFA" rule was put in... and no, not because the NL lost... I agree with the person who said just skip the whole deal and give everyone 4-5 days off.

 

And re-instate & keep the "best record gets HFA" rule.

 

So best record is fair, now? The Celtics beat up on the weak Eastern Conference this year and got home court in the NBA finals. Same could happen every year in baseball.

 

Why not use league vs. league interleague record? This way the stronger league gets HFA. The AL is clearly a better league this year and interleague proved it. Let them have HFA.

 

You can't compare baseball to basketball in this case. In basketball, each team plays every other team at least twice per year. So every team plays 52 games against teams in their conference versus 30 against teams in the other conference. In baseball a team plays at most 18 games against the other league with some NL teams only playing 15 games (less than 1/10th of the total schedule).

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

You can't compare baseball to basketball in this case. In basketball, each team plays every other team at least twice per year. So every team plays 52 games against teams in their conference versus 30 against teams in the other conference. In baseball a team plays at most 18 games against the other league with some NL teams only playing 15 games (less than 1/10th of the total schedule).

 

You say that you can't compare them....... and then you do it.

 

What are you really trying to say here ???

[SouthSideRyan]

 

You can't compare baseball to basketball in this case. In basketball, each team plays every other team at least twice per year. So every team plays 52 games against teams in their conference versus 30 against teams in the other conference. In baseball a team plays at most 18 games against the other league with some NL teams only playing 15 games (less than 1/10th of the total schedule).

 

You say that you can't compare them....... and then you do it.

 

What are you really trying to say here ???

 

He's contrasting.

[Guest]

 

You can't compare baseball to basketball in this case. In basketball, each team plays every other team at least twice per year. So every team plays 52 games against teams in their conference versus 30 against teams in the other conference. In baseball a team plays at most 18 games against the other league with some NL teams only playing 15 games (less than 1/10th of the total schedule).

 

You say that you can't compare them....... and then you do it.

 

What are you really trying to say here ???

 

Touche, Fred.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

You can't compare baseball to basketball in this case. In basketball, each team plays every other team at least twice per year. So every team plays 52 games against teams in their conference versus 30 against teams in the other conference. In baseball a team plays at most 18 games against the other league with some NL teams only playing 15 games (less than 1/10th of the total schedule).

 

You say that you can't compare them....... and then you do it.

 

What are you really trying to say here ???

 

Touche, Fred.

 

If you consult a good thesaurus, say Roget's just for an example, you'll find that "contrast" and "compare" are, indeed, semantic equivalents. So, if you should pose the hypothetical question, did I just compare or contrast the words compare and contrast, the only answer that is logically valid is.................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes.

 

And for the record, leave my tushy out of this !! :wink:

[Garwilly]

Blurb in the Tribune today about the pitching situation.

 

Wright and Drew were to have pitched next for each team.