Marshall most likely headed to Iowa

[PrimeTime]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/marshall-soldie.html

 

This is bs, why don't they just DFA or do something with Marquis? They said they wanted two lefties in the rotation,so theyre going to send down Marshall who has been outpitching Marquis? Good God, I hate Marquis.

[Skyballer]

This is ridiculous, Marshall's last two starts were quality starts and he pitched well enough for the win in both of them.

[Schwarber Fan]

UGH!

 

Why is Marquis still here?

[weis21]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/marshall-soldie.html

 

This is bs, why don't they just DFA or do something with Marquis? They said they wanted two lefties in the rotation,so theyre going to send down Marshall who has been outpitching Marquis? Good God, I hate Marquis.

I suspect that Hendry is on the phone with some clubs in an attempt to dump Marquis and his salary. The Yankees were desperate enough to pickup Ponson, maybe they'll take Marquis for a PTBNL.

 

If this is the case, then they will need Marshall stretched out anyway when Marquis is gone. Of course, Gaudin could also be a possibility for a rotation spot if Lou doesn't necessarily have to have two lefties in the rotation.

[dlocks]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

[Old Style]

How much more stretching out does Marshall need? Didn't he go 6 innings on Sunday?

[soapy]

Lame, but that's just Sullivan's speculation. I'll hold on to a very small nugget of hope that Marquis is the one bumped from the rotation, though I know it isn't likely.

[Soul]

Alright well forget everything I said about Marquis being replaced with Marshall if he struggles. Apparently Marquis will be allowed to sink this ballclub despite all the other progress we've made, and even if there's a much better option rotting @ Iowa!!

 

ARRRGH! :banghead:

[javy knows my name]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

Edited July 9, 2008 by Castro's Spray Chart

[VanceJergins]

If Hill continues to progress, then they have to get rid of Marquis, right? If they kept a strike throwing Hill in the minors just because Marquis is on the team, I'll whine about it.

[RammyFanny]

Again, am I the only one who heard either Hendry or Lou talk about Marquis in the bullpen yesterday?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This move was expected. They weren't going to stash Marshall in the pen, and I didn't see us going with Marquis, Gaudin, and Lieber all in the pen either.

 

I'm sure there will be some continued roster shuffling, and hopefully it ends with Marquis getting bumped from the rotation.

[weis21]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

These were pretty much the points I was trying to make with my last post. For whatever reason they will not send Marquis to the pen regardless of how poorly he pitches. It's frustrating, but we just have to deal with it.

[PrimeTime]

I think someone needs to call Hendry's office like Billy did and leave a message telling him that all Cubs fans want Marquis the hell off this team.

[CubColtPacer]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

These were pretty much the points I was trying to make with my last post. For whatever reason they will not send Marquis to the pen regardless of how poorly he pitches. It's frustrating, but we just have to deal with it.

 

If Marquis was pitching poorly enough, they'd do something about it. Unfortunately he's in that middle zone right now. Not good enough to make you feel good about being in the rotation, not poor enough to eat a lot of money for. If Hill comes up near the end of the August, they'd probably send Marquis to the pen then because of the roster expansion in September.

 

And this time sending Marquis to the pen wouldn't have done much good. They had to demote somebody.

 

This reminds me a lot of the Jacque Jones situation last year. It's not good business to eat several million dollars every time you have a roster crunch unless you have a player that's simply killing your ballclub. Marquis doesn't fall under that category. If it be July 31st or the offseason, they'll get somebody to take on that last year of that deal, throw in 1-2 million, and have 7 more million to play around with next season.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Another reason they won't cut Marquis or Lieber is depth. Marshall can be sent down without anyone being lost. We still have him if someone gets hurt. If we DFA Marquis or cut someone like Lieber, we lose those players. If we have injuries to the pitching staff, they might be needed.

[Hall7810]

Again, am I the only one who heard either Hendry or Lou talk about Marquis in the bullpen yesterday?

 

I heard it too. Plesac even mentioned it in the post game.

[YearofDaCubs]

I HATE Marquis! I hate that he is a Cub, I hate his mere presence on television. It's time to get rid of that overpaid pitcher who is holding the rotation down.

[YearofDaCubs]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

These were pretty much the points I was trying to make with my last post. For whatever reason they will not send Marquis to the pen regardless of how poorly he pitches. It's frustrating, but we just have to deal with it.

 

If Marquis was pitching poorly enough, they'd do something about it. Unfortunately he's in that middle zone right now. Not good enough to make you feel good about being in the rotation, not poor enough to eat a lot of money for. If Hill comes up near the end of the August, they'd probably send Marquis to the pen then because of the roster expansion in September.

 

And this time sending Marquis to the pen wouldn't have done much good. They had to demote somebody.

 

This reminds me a lot of the Jacque Jones situation last year. It's not good business to eat several million dollars every time you have a roster crunch unless you have a player that's simply killing your ballclub. Marquis doesn't fall under that category. If it be July 31st or the offseason, they'll get somebody to take on that last year of that deal, throw in 1-2 million, and have 7 more million to play around with next season.

4.78era isn't exactly good and it's only a matter of time until he hits the 5era mark. He needs to go.

[David]

How much more stretching out does Marshall need? Didn't he go 6 innings on Sunday?

 

The poster's idea being that Marquis would need to be in the rotation until he is traded, I would imagine, and therefore Marshall is better off getting starts in Iowa than rotting in our bullpen until any such move is made with Marquis.

[jersey cubs fan]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

These were pretty much the points I was trying to make with my last post. For whatever reason they will not send Marquis to the pen regardless of how poorly he pitches. It's frustrating, but we just have to deal with it.

 

If Marquis was pitching poorly enough, they'd do something about it. Unfortunately he's in that middle zone right now. Not good enough to make you feel good about being in the rotation, not poor enough to eat a lot of money for. If Hill comes up near the end of the August, they'd probably send Marquis to the pen then because of the roster expansion in September.

 

And this time sending Marquis to the pen wouldn't have done much good. They had to demote somebody.

 

This reminds me a lot of the Jacque Jones situation last year. It's not good business to eat several million dollars every time you have a roster crunch unless you have a player that's simply killing your ballclub. Marquis doesn't fall under that category. If it be July 31st or the offseason, they'll get somebody to take on that last year of that deal, throw in 1-2 million, and have 7 more million to play around with next season.

4.78era isn't exactly good and it's only a matter of time until he hits the 5era mark. He needs to go.

 

CCP made that point. He's not good, he's also not abysmal. Guys simply don't get release with that kind of contract and this kind of performance. It's not good, but it's not back breaking bad either. It's inconsistent, and by and large poor. But with Harden's health and Gallagher gone, they are going to want to keep all the warm bodies they can.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How much more stretching out does Marshall need? Didn't he go 6 innings on Sunday?

it's to keep him stretched out

[CubColtPacer]

So Jim makes argueably the trade of the year, then makes a very stupid move by sending Marshall back down. Guess they cancell eachother out. marshall definately deserves much better.

Knee-jerk much? The two moves won't do anything of the sort. It would be MUCH worse if Marshall were relegated to his previous LOOGY role as he wouldn't be stretched out once Marquis starts to royally suck again. Chillll

 

ETA: There was really no doubt in my mind that Marquis would keep his job over Marshall. Obviously, Marshall as the #5 is a much better option, but given the choice between the two probable outcomes, I'll take this one 8 days a week

These were pretty much the points I was trying to make with my last post. For whatever reason they will not send Marquis to the pen regardless of how poorly he pitches. It's frustrating, but we just have to deal with it.

 

If Marquis was pitching poorly enough, they'd do something about it. Unfortunately he's in that middle zone right now. Not good enough to make you feel good about being in the rotation, not poor enough to eat a lot of money for. If Hill comes up near the end of the August, they'd probably send Marquis to the pen then because of the roster expansion in September.

 

And this time sending Marquis to the pen wouldn't have done much good. They had to demote somebody.

 

This reminds me a lot of the Jacque Jones situation last year. It's not good business to eat several million dollars every time you have a roster crunch unless you have a player that's simply killing your ballclub. Marquis doesn't fall under that category. If it be July 31st or the offseason, they'll get somebody to take on that last year of that deal, throw in 1-2 million, and have 7 more million to play around with next season.

4.78era isn't exactly good and it's only a matter of time until he hits the 5era mark. He needs to go.

 

You're right, it's not exactly good. It's not exactly terrible either. It's a little below average.

 

Now let's say you cut Marquis today. You pay him his 11 million dollars he has left. You're left with a rotation of:

Z/Harden/Lilly/Dempster/Marshall

 

What's your projected ERA for Marshall? 4? 4.25? He's not likely to be quite as good as he was last year.

 

Pros to this move: Marshall is likely to put up a better ERA in August and September than Marquis will.

 

Cons: Depth. Harden and Marshall are both major injury risks. If one of them gets hurt, Gaudin steps in and the bullpen gets hurt by having a struggling Ascanio come up (as opposed to Marshall stepping in the rotation in the current setup and Gaudin staying where he is). If both of them get hurt, Gaudin and Lieber step in to the rotation, and the bullpen is hurt even more when Hart joins Ascanio (currently, Marshall and Gaudin would join the rotation, Lieber and Ascanio in the bullpen). If 1 of the starters gets hurt, you'd probably lose half of the better production you were getting from having Marshall in the rotation. If both of them did, you'd be losing more production than you gained.

 

2nd con: Money. You now have 9 million dollars of salary for next year for a pitcher who is not going to pitch. You lose out on the opportunity to trade Marquis at a later date, pick up a minor prospect, and possibly shed 6-7 million dollars off the payroll for somebody who could upgrade your roster next year.

 

Is the better ERA really worth it? Is it really that much of a difference to make your depth worse and hamstring the budget for next year? I would say no way. Not unless Marquis gets quite a bit worse, to where the trading option becomes much more slim and the difference in the ERA becomes a lot larger. There's simply not enough benefit for the cost that you'd be taking on.

[twothousandfive]

Their are five starts between now and the break. One goes to Harden, the others are Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster and . . . . Marquis rather than Marshall. That means either Harden goes Sat in Marshall's spot (and an extra day of rest for Harden) or he goes Friday and Marquis gets the extra. In either case an extra helps each guy, and Marshall can stay on schedule in Iowa -- Sat, Thurs, Tues. If he stays with the Cubs, he's the one who gets pushed back, so it would be Sat then probably Monday - a week later.

 

This why, Marshall stays on schedule, and by the week after the break, it will be much more clear if Marquis is doing his second half fold.

[Wheelimus]

If things go like I'm thinking, Marquis is going to go up against Zito.

 

Man oh man. That's a game to drink to, heh.