Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[rchap24]

Notre Dame not even mentioned in Bubble Watch. Ouch.

 

You really have an easy stretch coming up don't you...I wouldn't be surprised if there like 16-9 they'll be back in it

@UCLA tomorrow, vs Louisville next Thursday, and two weeks from tomorrow, @UConn. It ain't happening.

 

ha wow...wait when do you guys play the easy stretch of the Big East? Seton Hall or Providence? I feel like every other day you play one of the top 6 teams.

 

they have providence coming up. they already beat seton hall and lost to st. john's. they play uconn and louisville twice, both excellent teams, but get st. john's twice, and they're bad. so i'd say that notre dame has a little harder than average big east schedule and they've had a lot of their hard games bunched up in the middle.

 

they have a pretty tough schedule but they have a mediocre record because they just aren't that good.

 

Well I didn't think they were great...and they kind of gave themselves a hard non-conference game, but still I didn't think they'd be playing this bad so far

[Andy]

Ever since teams decided to start face-guarding KMac out to 30 feet and keep him from getting open at all costs, as well as reducing their double-teams on LFH, Mike Brey has had no answer. I don't expect ND will ever seriously compete with Brey as coach - pretty good Sweet 16-type team is pretty much their ceiling.

[TruffleShuffle]

Notre Dame not even mentioned in Bubble Watch. Ouch.

 

You really have an easy stretch coming up don't you...I wouldn't be surprised if there like 16-9 they'll be back in it

@UCLA tomorrow, vs Louisville next Thursday, and two weeks from tomorrow, @UConn. It ain't happening.

 

ha wow...wait when do you guys play the easy stretch of the Big East? Seton Hall or Providence? I feel like every other day you play one of the top 6 teams.

 

they have providence coming up. they already beat seton hall and lost to st. john's. they play uconn and louisville twice, both excellent teams, but get st. john's twice, and they're bad. so i'd say that notre dame has a little harder than average big east schedule and they've had a lot of their hard games bunched up in the middle.

 

they have a pretty tough schedule but they have a mediocre record because they just aren't that good.

 

Well I didn't think they were great...and they kind of gave themselves a hard non-conference game, but still I didn't think they'd be playing this bad so far

 

they didn't really do themselves any favors with their OOC schedule either. they either played hard games or the sisters of the poor. i'm not saying you need to play brutally hard games every time but you can bring in some quality teams from conferences like the mountain west, atlantic 10, missouri valley, horizon - games that you should win against teams that will end up with respectable RPI's. some of notre dame's OOC opponents:

 

south carolina upstate: 5-16, 25th (out of 31) rated conference

loyola marymount: 1-22, 13th rated conference

furman: 4-17, 25th rated conference

south dakota: non d-i

delaware st: 5-18, 30th rated conference

savannah st: 12-11, independent (rated 317th in the nation by pomeroy)

 

playing that many games against horrible teams will make your OOC schedule and your RPI look a lot worse than playing a bunch of games against teams with RPIs anywhere from 50 to 200.

[rchap24]

Notre Dame not even mentioned in Bubble Watch. Ouch.

 

You really have an easy stretch coming up don't you...I wouldn't be surprised if there like 16-9 they'll be back in it

@UCLA tomorrow, vs Louisville next Thursday, and two weeks from tomorrow, @UConn. It ain't happening.

 

ha wow...wait when do you guys play the easy stretch of the Big East? Seton Hall or Providence? I feel like every other day you play one of the top 6 teams.

 

they have providence coming up. they already beat seton hall and lost to st. john's. they play uconn and louisville twice, both excellent teams, but get st. john's twice, and they're bad. so i'd say that notre dame has a little harder than average big east schedule and they've had a lot of their hard games bunched up in the middle.

 

they have a pretty tough schedule but they have a mediocre record because they just aren't that good.

 

Well I didn't think they were great...and they kind of gave themselves a hard non-conference game, but still I didn't think they'd be playing this bad so far

 

they didn't really do themselves any favors with their OOC schedule either. they either played hard games or the sisters of the poor. i'm not saying you need to play brutally hard games every time but you can bring in some quality teams from conferences like the mountain west, atlantic 10, missouri valley, horizon - games that you should win against teams that will end up with respectable RPI's. some of notre dame's OOC opponents:

 

south carolina upstate: 5-16, 25th (out of 31) rated conference

loyola marymount: 1-22, 13th rated conference

furman: 4-17, 25th rated conference

south dakota: non d-i

delaware st: 5-18, 30th rated conference

savannah st: 12-11, independent (rated 317th in the nation by pomeroy)

 

playing that many games against horrible teams will make your OOC schedule and your RPI look a lot worse than playing a bunch of games against teams with RPIs anywhere from 50 to 200.

 

True and didn't realize how bad some of there out of conference games were

[SouthSideRyan]

Clearly the country's best conference from top to bottom, the Big East could send as many as nine teams to the NCAA tournament.

 

ENOUGH ALREADY. The bottom of the Big East is awful. They are going to have a lower percentage of teams make the tourney than the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC or Pac 10.

 

They're still a good conference, but this talk about how deep they are, when half their teams might not make the tournament, with 1/4 of them not even belonging in major conference ball is annoying as hell.

I always defer to Jay Bilas (as anyone in college hoops should do because he's awesome), who says that there's an argument to be made for which conference is the best overall, just not 1-12.

 

Well of course not, but that's a silly way to look at it. Why does the Big East get to lop off their 4 worst teams in a comparison?

[SouthSideRyan]

Ever since teams decided to start face-guarding KMac out to 30 feet and keep him from getting open at all costs, as well as reducing their double-teams on LFH, Mike Brey has had no answer. I don't expect ND will ever seriously compete with Brey as coach - pretty good Sweet 16-type team is pretty much their ceiling.

 

Brey should be in legit trouble after that Cincy loss. ND will probably make the NIT no matter what(assuming a winning record) cause they're ND and they'll draw, but Brey should probably be canned if they only finish a couple games over. Have you heard any rumblings at all about him being on the hot seat?

[CubbieBum]

Clearly the country's best conference from top to bottom, the Big East could send as many as nine teams to the NCAA tournament.

 

ENOUGH ALREADY. The bottom of the Big East is awful. They are going to have a lower percentage of teams make the tourney than the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC or Pac 10.

 

They're still a good conference, but this talk about how deep they are, when half their teams might not make the tournament, with 1/4 of them not even belonging in major conference ball is annoying as hell.

I always defer to Jay Bilas (as anyone in college hoops should do because he's awesome), who says that there's an argument to be made for which conference is the best overall, just not 1-12.

 

Well of course not, but that's a silly way to look at it. Why does the Big East get to lop off their 4 worst teams in a comparison?

 

If they take out four teams it should be the top two and the bottom two. That's the most fair way.

 

But really no one should get to eliminate any teams. Your conference is your conference.

[SouthSideRyan]

Clearly the country's best conference from top to bottom, the Big East could send as many as nine teams to the NCAA tournament.

 

ENOUGH ALREADY. The bottom of the Big East is awful. They are going to have a lower percentage of teams make the tourney than the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC or Pac 10.

 

They're still a good conference, but this talk about how deep they are, when half their teams might not make the tournament, with 1/4 of them not even belonging in major conference ball is annoying as hell.

I always defer to Jay Bilas (as anyone in college hoops should do because he's awesome), who says that there's an argument to be made for which conference is the best overall, just not 1-12.

 

Well of course not, but that's a silly way to look at it. Why does the Big East get to lop off their 4 worst teams in a comparison?

 

If they take out four teams it should be the top two and the bottom two. That's the most fair way.

 

But really no one should get to eliminate any teams. Your conference is your conference.

 

I don't know if that's really fair either. The best way to compare conference to conference is to look at the entire thing. Yeah, you can't match team to team, but it's not that hard to look at the strength of a conference top to bottom without arbitrarily removing teams.

[CubbieBum]

Clearly the country's best conference from top to bottom, the Big East could send as many as nine teams to the NCAA tournament.

 

ENOUGH ALREADY. The bottom of the Big East is awful. They are going to have a lower percentage of teams make the tourney than the Big Ten, and possibly the ACC or Pac 10.

 

They're still a good conference, but this talk about how deep they are, when half their teams might not make the tournament, with 1/4 of them not even belonging in major conference ball is annoying as hell.

I always defer to Jay Bilas (as anyone in college hoops should do because he's awesome), who says that there's an argument to be made for which conference is the best overall, just not 1-12.

 

Well of course not, but that's a silly way to look at it. Why does the Big East get to lop off their 4 worst teams in a comparison?

 

If they take out four teams it should be the top two and the bottom two. That's the most fair way.

 

But really no one should get to eliminate any teams. Your conference is your conference.

 

I don't know if that's really fair either. The best way to compare conference to conference is to look at the entire thing. Yeah, you can't match team to team, but it's not that hard to look at the strength of a conference top to bottom without arbitrarily removing teams.

 

I agree. I was saying if you have to remove any teams it shouldn't be only the top ones or only the bottom ones. It should be an even amount of teams from top and bottom.

[Andy]

Ever since teams decided to start face-guarding KMac out to 30 feet and keep him from getting open at all costs, as well as reducing their double-teams on LFH, Mike Brey has had no answer. I don't expect ND will ever seriously compete with Brey as coach - pretty good Sweet 16-type team is pretty much their ceiling.

 

Brey should be in legit trouble after that Cincy loss. ND will probably make the NIT no matter what(assuming a winning record) cause they're ND and they'll draw, but Brey should probably be canned if they only finish a couple games over. Have you heard any rumblings at all about him being on the hot seat?

No, I don't think he'd be in trouble unless this happened again next season, which it easily could - we're losing three starters.

[bukie]

Jeff Sagarin keeps a daily updated conference rating for college basketball, both rating simple average (so each team counts equally) and central mean (so the middle teams count for more than the best or worst). Look it up here.

 

In both ratings, for today, the ACC is on top, followed by the Big Ten and the Big East. However, the top 5 conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big East, Pac-10, Big 12) are all fairly close, with the difference between 1 and 5 less than the difference between 5 and 6 (SEC). If you were grouping sets of conferences by similar rating, it would look something like this:

 

High: ACC, Big Ten, Big East, Pac-10, Big 12

Mid-high: SEC, MWC

Mid: Conference USA, MVC, A-10, Horizon

Mid-low: WCC, WAC, CAA, MAAC

Low: Most everything else

Should be in the play-in game every year, because they're worse than the independents: MEAC, SWAC

[TruffleShuffle]

Should be in the play-in game every year, because they're worse than the independents: MEAC, SWAC

 

they must be bad if they're worse than whoever wins the patriot league this year. though they do have us (since we're leading the PL) playing uconn in the first round. bend over.

[bukie]

Should be in the play-in game every year, because they're worse than the independents: MEAC, SWAC

 

they must be bad if they're worse than whoever wins the patriot league this year. though they do have us (since we're leading the PL) playing uconn in the first round. bend over.

To give a general idea how bad the SWAC is, their second place team, Jackson St., is 7-2 in the conference. They're 8-13 overall, with their one OOC win coming against provisional D-1 2-23 UNC Central.

[CubInOK]

Should be in the play-in game every year, because they're worse than the independents: MEAC, SWAC

 

they must be bad if they're worse than whoever wins the patriot league this year. though they do have us (since we're leading the PL) playing uconn in the first round. bend over.

To give a general idea how bad the SWAC is, their second place team, Jackson St., is 7-2 in the conference. They're 8-13 overall, with their one OOC win coming against provisional D-1 2-23 UNC Central.

Heh, Alabama State is leading that conference with an 8-1 mark. They're 9-8 overall though, with the lone OOC win coming against 3-20 Houston Baptist.

[SpongeWorthy]

USF beat Marquette :!:

[Guest]

Seriously, a 10 am start for a game in LA?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

41 fouls called in the Nova-Cuse game. At the under-12 timeout in the 2nd half. And one of the referees hurt himself early and had to leave.

[SouthSideRyan]

Notre Dame is bad.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lawl at Tennessee.

[Guest]

Blowouts of USC and Notre Dame in one week? Too bad this isn't football.

 

Harangody limited to 5 pts and 1 board. Heh.

[SouthSideRyan]

OH GMAFB GOTTLEIB. Important to remember that Tennessee won at Arkansas??? So did Auburn and Mississippi St.!!

[SouthSideRyan]

The feathers in Tennessee's cap was that they had no bad losses and they had noncon wins over Marquette and Georgetown. Now in the past 24 hours you have Tennessee with a bad loss, Marquette losing to a bad USF team, and Georgetown putting themselves out of the tourney barring a great run to close it out.

[illiniguy]

Blowouts of USC and Notre Dame in one week? Too bad this isn't football.

 

Harangody limited to 5 pts and 1 board. Heh.

Makes sense. You have NBA players on your roster. This is his near future. If he makes a team.

[E.J.]

I'm sure the Michigan/UConn game with be competitive tonight. :blackeye:

[Guest]

Blowouts of USC and Notre Dame in one week? Too bad this isn't football.

 

Harangody limited to 5 pts and 1 board. Heh.

Makes sense. You have NBA players on your roster. This is his near future. If he makes a team.

 

Not in the post. Alfred Aboya, Nikola Dragovic and James Keefe were the primary guys who guarded him.

 

Keep in mind Harangody put up 21 and 14 against UConn and 31 and 11 against Georgetown.