How about Westbrook?

[Backtobanks]

From MLBtraderumors:

 

Cleveland GM Shapiro Ready To Talk Trades

The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Joe Maxse writes that Indians GM Mark Shapiro will soon be talking to every team in an effort to upgrade his roster. The Tribe have gotten off to a surprisingly slow start in April and May and currently have a 22-26 record, 4 1/2 games behind the first-place Chicago White Sox.

 

While Shapiro concedes that major trades don't usually occur so early in the season, he's already apparently ready to consider all options:

 

"We will get on the phone with every team in the league, although sometimes a trade of magnitude comes down the road. We will explore everything at this point."

 

The question then becomes "What could Shapiro do". The Indians' pitching staff has been fantastic in 2008, only allowing roughly 3.8 runs per game. But the offense has been lacking, scoring 4.1 per game. Thus far, Grady Sizemore has been the only starter pulling his weight offensively. But does the Cleveland lineup even have any movable parts right now?

 

Do you think Marquis plus Murton would be enough for Westbrook? Maybe adding Hoffpaur would get it done.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't think either of those deals would be enough. If the Indians put Westbrook on the market, I think they could get much more from a lot of other teams.

[Backtobanks]

How

I don't think either of those deals would be enough. If the Indians put Westbrook on the market, I think they could get much more from a lot of other teams.

 

How about Marquis, Murton, Hoffpaur and one of Gallagher/Marshall/Patterson?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Westbrook has a 2.73 ERA and a 1.11 WHIP right now. For his career, he has 102 ERA+. He's 30 yrs old with a contract that is affordable for the next two seasons. If the Indians decide to move him they are going to want more than Marquis and a couple of minor leaguers. Murton's value isn't nearly what we think it is, and while Hoffpauir has looked impressive in two games, he was a minor league FA going into this season.

 

If the Indians decide to trade Westbrook, they will look for better prospects than Murton and Hauffpauir or will want a more proven MLB bat.

 

I'm not sure we have the players they would want in order to trade him.

 

Gallagher might get their attention, but it appears their motivation for making a deal would be to add offense. Gallagher doesn't do that. Murton and Hauffpauir or no guarantees to do that as well. The Cubs don't have the high end offensive level prospects to get it done nor do we have expendable young bats on the major league roster.

 

I'd love to add Westbrook, but the only way I see it happening is if we some how got a third team involved.

[17 Seconds]

From MLBtraderumors:

 

Cleveland GM Shapiro Ready To Talk Trades

The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Joe Maxse writes that Indians GM Mark Shapiro will soon be talking to every team in an effort to upgrade his roster. The Tribe have gotten off to a surprisingly slow start in April and May and currently have a 22-26 record, 4 1/2 games behind the first-place Chicago White Sox.

 

While Shapiro concedes that major trades don't usually occur so early in the season, he's already apparently ready to consider all options:

 

"We will get on the phone with every team in the league, although sometimes a trade of magnitude comes down the road. We will explore everything at this point."

 

The question then becomes "What could Shapiro do". The Indians' pitching staff has been fantastic in 2008, only allowing roughly 3.8 runs per game. But the offense has been lacking, scoring 4.1 per game. Thus far, Grady Sizemore has been the only starter pulling his weight offensively. But does the Cleveland lineup even have any movable parts right now?

 

Do you think Marquis plus Murton would be enough for Westbrook? Maybe adding Hoffpaur would get it done.

 

Shapiro says he wants to upgrade their roster, not downgrade.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jason Marquis has negative trade value at this point. Murton and the Hoff don't have a lot themselves.

[shnsajax]

I don't imagine the Indians becoming sellers this season with the way the AL Central looks. Like Vance mentioned he has a good contract that runs through next season where the Indians will be contenders again regardless of how this season finishes. If his contract was up after this season then I would say yes.

[Vanilla Ice]

Cedeno, Murton and Patterson?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cedeno, Murton and Patterson?

 

 

And what of those players is enough of an improvement over what Cleveland has to make them give up Westbrook?

 

As much as I'd like Westbrook, this is one deal that isn't happening.

[shnsajax]

Cedeno, Murton and Patterson?

 

 

And what of those players is enough of an improvement over what Cleveland has to make them give up Westbrook?

 

As much as I'd like Westbrook, this is one deal that isn't happening.

 

And reading the article it states they are looking to make an upgrade, so why would they even trade Westbrook to begin with. Its like the Cubs looking to make an upgrade by trading Dempster for a couple of average players.

[Vanilla Ice]

yea that was put together in literally 10 seconds.

[Jehrico]

Cedeno or Theriot would have to be the starting point. Add in Pie, maybe. Tough to put together a package that meets Clevelands needs as they don't need pitching.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cedeno or Theriot would have to be the starting point. Add in Pie, maybe. Tough to put together a package that meets Clevelands needs as they don't need pitching.

 

 

Right. They won't trade for pitching unless they take someone back to offset the loss of Westbrook. Peralta is struggling at SS, but to take a player like Cedeno, they would have to be giving up on him. I'm not sure they are ready to give up on Peralta for a player like Cedeno who could be just as big a question mark as the player they would be replacing. Pie likely would interest them, but part of his value is tied to his playing CF where their best hitter resides in Sizemore. Murton is no better than Francisco. I just don't see the players we could offer them to make them trade Westbrook to us...

 

Now, I guess we could move Soriano to firstbase and trade Lee for Westbrook... :-k

[daske17]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

[rawaction]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

 

San Diego is giving up too much. Cleveland too little. I would like Westbrook a lot. But I agree with Vance that Cubs/Indians don't matchup well. Indians could use some help in corner IF or OF.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Indians are kinda stuck in limbo, especially if they're dealing Westbrook. They have a lot of youth and some depth with position player prospects, so taking back less than impact players in return would be viewed as giving up on those guys, and creating redundancy with marginal players. On the other hand, teams trading for Westbrook probably will probably want to give up quantity rather than quality, or at least potential over production(that hypothetical team is trying to make the playoffs after all), making it hard to find a match for Westbrook.

[Rob]

Jim Edmonds for Andy Marte.

[Backtobanks]

Jim Edmonds for Andy Marte.

 

That will help the Indians' offensive problems.

[biittner77]

Soriano for Westbrook

[TheDude]

From MLBtraderumors:

 

Cleveland GM Shapiro Ready To Talk Trades

The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Joe Maxse writes that Indians GM Mark Shapiro will soon be talking to every team in an effort to upgrade his roster. The Tribe have gotten off to a surprisingly slow start in April and May and currently have a 22-26 record, 4 1/2 games behind the first-place Chicago White Sox.

 

While Shapiro concedes that major trades don't usually occur so early in the season, he's already apparently ready to consider all options:

 

"We will get on the phone with every team in the league, although sometimes a trade of magnitude comes down the road. We will explore everything at this point."

 

The question then becomes "What could Shapiro do". The Indians' pitching staff has been fantastic in 2008, only allowing roughly 3.8 runs per game. But the offense has been lacking, scoring 4.1 per game. Thus far, Grady Sizemore has been the only starter pulling his weight offensively. But does the Cleveland lineup even have any movable parts right now?

 

Do you think Marquis plus Murton would be enough for Westbrook? Maybe adding Hoffpaur would get it done.

 

How does either of your offers improve the Indians roster? They want to win now, like the Cubs. They don't want to gamble on semi-prospects.

[javy knows my name]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

 

San Diego is giving up too much. Cleveland too little.

I agree with the exact opposite of this.

[rawaction]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

 

San Diego is giving up too much. Cleveland too little.

I agree with the exact opposite of this.

 

So, you feel San Diego is giving up too little? They are giving up what is probably the best player in the deal and getting back guys with the upside of a #4 starter, a 4th OF, and a middle of the road SS. Then they throw in Giles, who sucks, but still has some value with his OBP.

[javy knows my name]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

 

San Diego is giving up too much. Cleveland too little.

I agree with the exact opposite of this.

 

So, you feel San Diego is giving up too little? They are giving up what is probably the best player in the deal and getting back guys with the upside of a #4 starter, a 4th OF, and a middle of the road SS. Then they throw in Giles, who sucks, but still has some value with his OBP.

I'll rephrase. I think Cleveland is giving up quite a bit for Khalil Greene and roster filler. If I were San Diego and the trade was for Westbrook instead of our spare parts, I wouldn't hesitate to do it, bad outfield situation be damned. Westbrook may be Cleveland's fourth starter, but he isn't most teams'. No question the Cubs are giving up the least amount. We aren't giving up enough here to justify talking about Westbrook or Greene, regardless of the inclusion of a third team.

[Backtobanks]

How about this three-way trade:

 

Cubs send Gallagher, Murton and Cedeno to San Diego.

San Diego send Greene and Giles to Cleveland.

Cleveland send us Westbrook.

 

San Diego gets three young players to aid in their rebuilding. Cleveland gets two offensive cogs. Cubs get a starting pitcher.

 

Too much? Too little?

 

San Diego is giving up too much. Cleveland too little.

I agree with the exact opposite of this.

 

So, you feel San Diego is giving up too little? They are giving up what is probably the best player in the deal and getting back guys with the upside of a #4 starter, a 4th OF, and a middle of the road SS. Then they throw in Giles, who sucks, but still has some value with his OBP.

I'll rephrase. I think Cleveland is giving up quite a bit for Khalil Greene and roster filler. If I were San Diego and the trade was for Westbrook instead of our spare parts, I wouldn't hesitate to do it, bad outfield situation be damned. Westbrook may be Cleveland's fourth starter, but he isn't most teams'. No question the Cubs are giving up the least amount. We aren't giving up enough here to justify talking about Westbrook or Greene, regardless of the inclusion of a third team.

 

I used to try to work out trade scenarios where the Cubs ended up with Greene as an upgrade at SS, but I'm not impressed with what he has been showing. He seems to be digressing from a few years ago. I suppose somebody will come up with some stats to show what a great hitter he is away from Petco on Tuesdays in the 4th inning, but his numbers have been going in the wrong direction for quite awhile now.

[Backtobanks]

It's been awhile since I proposed a 3-way trade, how about:

 

Cleveland gets: Blalock (Rangers) and Murton (Cubs)

Texas gets: Marquis, Marshall, and Wuertz (Cubs)

Cubs get: Westbrook (Indians)

 

Cubs get a solid starter, Indians get offensive help at corner IF and OF, Rangers get much needed pitching help.