What would it take to land Linecum?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Granted, this is just a pipe dream, as Im sure every other team in baseball would gladly give up multipl top prospects, and better ones than we have to offer, but what if? As dismal of a state as the Giants are in, how desperate are they? Would they be able to give up a sure fire ace for years to come for an entir stable of prospects?

 

Would some combination of:

 

Colvin

Cedeno

Patterson

Murton

Hoffpauir

Hill

Veal

Samardzia

Marshall

Ceda

Pawelek

 

do the trick? How many of our top prospects would be be willing to part with?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Granted, this is just a pipe dream, as Im sure every other team in baseball would gladly give up multipl top prospects, and better ones than we have to offer, but what if? As dismal of a state as the Giants are in, how desperate are they? Would they be able to give up a sure fire ace for years to come for an entir stable of prospects?

 

Would some combination of:

 

Colvin

Cedeno

Patterson

Murton

Hoffpauir

Hill

Veal

Samardzia

Marshall

Ceda

Pawelek

 

do the trick? How many of our top prospects would be be willing to part with?

 

I don't see anything on that list that I would accept as the basis in a trade if I were the Giants.

 

Trading a 25-year-old star pitcher, I want near-ready potential stars.

[rawaction]

If you want a RH starting pitcher from the Giants, better focus on Matt Cain. Lincecum isn't going anywhere. Cain could be had, but probably not for less than a couple of good hitting prospects and a pitching prospect to potentially replace him in the Giants rotation. I could see some interest Eric Patterson, Gallagher and Hoffpauir or Patterson, Veal, Pie for Cain and Winn.

[shnsajax]

What would it take for another team to land Soto?

[Rob]

Granted, this is just a pipe dream, as Im sure every other team in baseball would gladly give up multipl top prospects, and better ones than we have to offer, but what if? As dismal of a state as the Giants are in, how desperate are they? Would they be able to give up a sure fire ace for years to come for an entir stable of prospects?

 

Would some combination of:

 

Colvin

Cedeno

Patterson

Murton

Hoffpauir

Hill

Veal

Samardzia

Marshall

Ceda

Pawelek

 

do the trick? How many of our top prospects would be be willing to part with?

 

Hill and Pie is a given. Once we agree on that, they start asking for more of our top prospects... depending on when we ask, they're probably looking at two of Vitters, Colvin, Veal, and Ceda.

[17 Seconds]

What would it take to land Linecum?

 

Something that we don't have. The Giants have no reason to trade a guy like Lincecum for a bunch of good-but-not-great prospects.

[badnews]

What would it take to land Lincecum?

 

GEOVANY SOTO

[Hacking Out Machine]

Considering that Brian Sabean parted with Francisco Liriano, Boof Bonser and Joe Nathan to get his hands on the veterany goodness of AJ Pierzinski, there is always hope. However, I'm afraid that at this point, even Sabean, the actual walking incarnation of stupidity itself would hang on to Lincecum at all costs. If you came to him in the offseason and offered him a tasty "proven veteran" the chances would have been better than average.

 

I'd just roll the dice and offer him Bobby Howry and see what happens. Maybe throw in Eyre. :D The Mets should offer up Carlos Beltran. Sabean would probably drool over that one.

Edited May 17, 2008 by Hacking Out Machine

[Outshined_One]

What would it take to land Lincecum?

 

GEOVANY SOTO

 

Soto would be a good start. Rich Hill and Sean Gallagher would also likely be involved (assuming Hill's injury was not serious). Some A-ball level prospects with high ceilings would also probably be in the deal (Ceda and Donaldson maybe?).

 

In other words, it would take a lot.

[RedFlash]

What would it take to land Lincecum?

 

GEOVANY SOTO

 

Soto would be a good start. Rich Hill and Sean Gallagher would also likely be involved (assuming Hill's injury was not serious). Some A-ball level prospects with high ceilings would also probably be in the deal (Ceda and Donaldson maybe?).

 

In other words, it would take a lot.

 

I like Lincecum, but I wouldn't trade for him. Not because he isn't good, but because what the Giants would ask for, is not what the Cubs should give up. Now, if the Giants would take Gallagher/Ceda and a low level solid prospect for Cain, that's a different story. But for Lincecum, you have to give up the farm, and I am not sold on giving up the farm for a pitcher. Which is why I wasn't a fan of the Johan Santana or Erik Bedard trades. The Twins and O's made out like bandits.

[javy knows my name]

What would it take to land Lincecum?

 

GEOVANY SOTO

 

Soto would be a good start. Rich Hill and Sean Gallagher would also likely be involved (assuming Hill's injury was not serious). Some A-ball level prospects with high ceilings would also probably be in the deal (Ceda and Donaldson maybe?).

 

In other words, it would take a lot.

 

I like Lincecum, but I wouldn't trade for him. Not because he isn't good, but because what the Giants would ask for, is not what the Cubs should give up. Now, if the Giants would take Gallagher/Ceda and a low level solid prospect for Cain, that's a different story. But for Lincecum, you have to give up the farm, and I am not sold on giving up the farm for a pitcher. Which is why I wasn't a fan of the Johan Santana or Erik Bedard trades. The Twins and O's made out like bandits.

The Twins did not make out like bandits for Johan Santana. Anyone who thinks otherwise is severely misguided.

[17 Seconds]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

[javy knows my name]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

No, it's ok. They gave up the best pitcher on the planet and got Carlos Gomez. Did you know he hit for the cycle?!?!!?!!11!!11!!1!!!ONE!

[RedFlash]

What would it take to land Lincecum?

 

GEOVANY SOTO

 

Soto would be a good start. Rich Hill and Sean Gallagher would also likely be involved (assuming Hill's injury was not serious). Some A-ball level prospects with high ceilings would also probably be in the deal (Ceda and Donaldson maybe?).

 

In other words, it would take a lot.

 

I like Lincecum, but I wouldn't trade for him. Not because he isn't good, but because what the Giants would ask for, is not what the Cubs should give up. Now, if the Giants would take Gallagher/Ceda and a low level solid prospect for Cain, that's a different story. But for Lincecum, you have to give up the farm, and I am not sold on giving up the farm for a pitcher. Which is why I wasn't a fan of the Johan Santana or Erik Bedard trades. The Twins and O's made out like bandits.

The Twins did not make out like bandits for Johan Santana. Anyone who thinks otherwise is severely misguided.

 

But anybody who thinks they gave Johan away is misguided. They got a good deal---they could have done better, but without the Yanks/Red Sox they had nobody to try and start a bidding war for Johan---and I believe people look back, and actually say they got a better deal they at first glanced.

 

With that said, pitchers are not worth giving up the farm for. I would give up 3 good prospects for Lincecum, but nothing more.

[CoolHandLuke]

Considering that Brian Sabean parted with Francisco Liriano, Boof Bonser and Joe Nathan to get his hands on the veterany goodness of AJ Pierzinski, there is always hope. However, I'm afraid that at this point, even Sabean, the actual walking incarnation of stupidity itself would hang on to Lincecum at all costs. If you came to him in the offseason and offered him a tasty "proven veteran" the chances would have been better than average.

 

I'd just roll the dice and offer him Bobby Howry and see what happens. Maybe throw in Eyre. :D The Mets should offer up Carlos Beltran. Sabean would probably drool over that one.

 

The AJP for Nathan etc. trade would be absolutely nothing like trading Lincecum. AJP was a 26 year old catcher coming off of a very solid year for a catcher (115 ops+), Liriano was talented but super low level and I'm not sure why but he didn't even pitch 10 innings the year before the trade (I'm guessing he already had injury issues at that point in his career). Bonser seems to me like he was a meh pitching prospect. Nathan of course was a failed starter who had exactly one great year in a setup/mid relief role. Nobody could have foreseen that he would go on to be one of the best closers in the game. The bottom line is that it is easy to judge a trade in hindsight. While that trade may not have been great at the time, it wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be, and none of the three giants were well established players.

[sneakypower]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

No, it's ok. They gave up the best pitcher on the planet and got Carlos Gomez. Did you know he hit for the cycle?!?!!?!!11!!11!!1!!!ONE!

kind of early to make a judgment on this trade, most of the players havent even made the majors yet

 

the Twins had zero leverage and probably made out with a really good haul considering. the other offers of Hughes and Melky or Lester, Masterson and Crisp certainly don't look any better. Santana was due for a 20m+/year extension and would only approve trades to a few teams. they could have done far worse.

[shnsajax]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

 

The Twins got screwed in the deal simply by not getting the best prospect in the Mets organization. Seriously how do you even discuss the trade with the Mets with Fernando Martinez not being in the discussion. They didn't do bad, but would have been better off working something out with the Red Sox.

[Amazing_Grace]

An act of God.

[nilodnayr]

If you want a RH starting pitcher from the Giants, better focus on Matt Cain. Lincecum isn't going anywhere. Cain could be had, but probably not for less than a couple of good hitting prospects and a pitching prospect to potentially replace him in the Giants rotation. I could see some interest Eric Patterson, Gallagher and Hoffpauir or Patterson, Veal, Pie for Cain and Winn.

 

In the offseason when the Jays were talking to the Giants about a Rios for pitcher swap, the Giants said that they'd prefer to trade Lincecum than Cain because of Lincecum's injury risk. Sabean sat on the Rios for Lincecum offer for 2 weeks and then decided not to take it. Lincecum can be had, and the Giants (at least as recent as a couple months ago) prefered to trade him over Cain. Unfortunately, we really don't have a Rios to trade them.

[TruffleShuffle]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

 

The Twins got screwed in the deal simply by not getting the best prospect in the Mets organization. Seriously how do you even discuss the trade with the Mets with Fernando Martinez not being in the discussion. They didn't do bad, but would have been better off working something out with the Red Sox.

 

that was exactly my reaction. if you're offering up the best pitcher in baseball, you had better make it clear that talks start with the best prospect in anyone's system.

[bsucubsfan]

i seriously think they would want aram or kosuke. along with a combo of gallagher, marshall, pie, vitters, etc ... more than any team should or would give up, basically.

[17 Seconds]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

No, it's ok. They gave up the best pitcher on the planet and got Carlos Gomez. Did you know he hit for the cycle?!?!!?!!11!!11!!1!!!ONE!

kind of early to make a judgment on this trade, most of the players havent even made the majors yet

 

the Twins had zero leverage and probably made out with a really good haul considering. the other offers of Hughes and Melky or Lester, Masterson and Crisp certainly don't look any better. Santana was due for a 20m+/year extension and would only approve trades to a few teams. they could have done far worse.

 

The Hughes one certainly still does.

[Clem Fandango]

A years supply of Bengay and adult diapers. Get it? Because they're old and junk

[Little Slide Rooter]

i seriously think they would want aram or kosuke. along with a combo of gallagher, marshall, pie, vitters, etc ... more than any team should or would give up, basically.

 

A team that is in the early stages of a major rebuilding process would rather take several young prospects than A Ram or Kozuke.

[RedFlash]

The Twins got screwed in the deal simply by not getting the best prospect in the Mets organization. Seriously how do you even discuss the trade with the Mets with Fernando Martinez not being in the discussion. They didn't do bad, but would have been better off working something out with the Red Sox.

 

Best case scenerio: The Twins keep Santana, and are surprising in the division hunt. No trade, and lose him for a couple of draft picks.

 

Worst case scenerio: The Twins kept Santana, and fall out of the race, and trade Santana for less then what they eventually got. (Very few teams would have traded the farm for a half season of Johan). Or they could hold onto him, provided they didn't get the offer they liked, and end up with 2 draft picks.

 

So you're looking at either getting 4 good prospects (without a bidding war, mind you) or two low draft picks. Sorry, I don't buy that the Twins got "Screwed' out of the deal. Could they have gotten a better deal, sure. (I would've demanded Pelfrey instead of Humber) Should they perhaps waited till the Bedard trade takes place? Sure. But the facts are simply this....they got three good young arms, and IMO a future star in CF with Gomez.

 

And I remember when people freaking beat down Shapiro when he dealt Bartolo Colon to the then Expos for Lee Stevens and 3 prospects. And what you remember the prospects? That's right....Brandon Phillips (Indians trading Phillips to the Reds is a sotry for another day) Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore. And the Indians have done alright since then.

 

The Twins will be fine, and I believe people are going to like this deal better in 3 yrs, then they do right now.