What would it take to land Linecum?

[SouthSideRyan]

The Twins got 4 good prospects in that deal?

 

Humber is trash and Gomez is a tools goof. The best prospect in that trade was a 19 year old with about 150 professional innings and just decent numbers in those innings.

[VanceJergins]

A years supply of Bengay and adult diapers. Get it? Because they're old and junk

 

Knowing them, they'll probably ask for Lieber and Edmonds. rabble rabble rabble

[sneakypower]

Haha @ the "Twins made out like bandits" thing. Yikes.

 

The Twins got screwed in the deal simply by not getting the best prospect in the Mets organization. Seriously how do you even discuss the trade with the Mets with Fernando Martinez not being in the discussion. They didn't do bad, but would have been better off working something out with the Red Sox.

while it's probably a bit short-sighted, it's easier to sell the fanbase on a trade if you have at least one of the players playing everyday at the pro level.

 

i also think Gomez is the more valuable player long-term than Martinez.

[RammyFanny]

Sorry, but Gomez is crap. If you would really taken over Martinez at this point, I really don't know what to say. People are saying how good Gomez has been, but come on, he's OPS'ing in the 600's and has a sub .300 OBP, and his minor league stats don't seem to show me that all of a sudden he'll get those respectable. 42:5 K to BB ratio as well. His upside is basically Chris Young without power.

[shnsajax]

Sorry, but Gomez is crap. If you would really taken over Martinez at this point, I really don't know what to say. People are saying how good Gomez has been, but come on, he's OPS'ing in the 600's and has a sub .300 OBP, and his minor league stats don't seem to show me that all of a sudden he'll get those respectable. 42:5 K to BB ratio as well. His upside is basically Chris Young without power.

 

Regardless it was Santana, they should have gotten them both if they wanted them.

[sneakypower]

Sorry, but Gomez is crap. If you would really taken over Martinez at this point, I really don't know what to say. People are saying how good Gomez has been, but come on, he's OPS'ing in the 600's and has a sub .300 OBP, and his minor league stats don't seem to show me that all of a sudden he'll get those respectable. 42:5 K to BB ratio as well. His upside is basically Chris Young without power.

weird comparison. Chris Young walks a lot and has speed but it doesn't really compare to Gomez's which is game changing. He'll likely settle into similar production as Reyes and Crawford, which has a lot of value but his upside is to be better than both of those players.

 

As for Martinez, he likely ends up at LF or 1B. He'll have to hit a ton to bridge the gap defensively with Gomez in terms of value where he has the ability to be GG once he starts taking better routes.

 

There are also legitimate questions about Martinez's power potential.

 

Regardless it was Santana, they should have gotten them both if they wanted them.

never would have happened. it's unconceivable that a team is going to give up 2 top-50 prospects just for the rights to pay a guy $140m.

[SouthSideRyan]

He'll likely settle into similar production as Reyes and Crawford, which has a lot of value but his upside is to be better than both of those players.

 

Um, wow. I'd love to take the under on Gomez reaching either of their productions, let alone having the potential to exceed them. Gomez has speed and defense on them, and that's about all I can see. His BB rate is horrendous, and he doesn't make nearly enough good contact to back that K rate.

[sneakypower]

in the minors, his BB rate was actually better than Crawford's but slightly less than Reyes had.

 

at any rate, Gomez put up virtually identical numbers to both in the minors, making up for a poorer BABIP with better ISOs. He also showed better prowess on the basepaths, stealing more bases at greater success rate. The only caveat is that he was a year older than the other two players mentioned at each stage in the minors.

 

and when you look at what he's done at the pro level this year (at age 21), it matches right up there with Reyes' and Crawford's age 22 seasons.

 

also from an observational standpoint, he has much better bat speed and better foot speed than these two. i don't really see what's ridiculous about the comparison.