The Angel Guzman Rehab Thread

[David]

That's about what's to be expected...mixed results

[RedFlash]

I can't think of very many pitching prospects throughout the years that I liked more than Gooz.

 

Same here.

 

And does anybody remember the yr in which Angel Guzman wowed everybody in Spring Training, and he was the "it" pitcher to impact the Cubs?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

he got me hooked in 03

[Guest]

3 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, HBP, 2 GO-2 FO

 

:)

 

Palm Beach Bottom 1st

Tyler Henley flies out to right fielder Ryan Harvey.

Pete Kozma strikes out swinging.

Daniel Descalso strikes out swinging.

 

Palm Beach Bottom 2nd

Matthew Arburr walks.

Luke Gorsett strikes out swinging.

With Brian Cartie batting, Matthew Arburr steals (4) 2nd base, . Matthew Arburr advances to 3rd, on throwing error by catcher Steve Clevenger.

Brian Cartie strikes out swinging.

Aaron Luna hit by pitch.

Antonio DeJesus singles on a ground ball to center fielder James Adduci. Matthew Arburr scores. Aaron Luna out at home on the throw, center fielder James Adduci to catcher Steve Clevenger.

 

Palm Beach Bottom 3rd

Nick Derba grounds out, shortstop Darwin Barney to first baseman Russ Canzler.

Tyler Henley grounds out, second baseman Robinson Chirinos to first baseman Russ Canzler.

Pete Kozma pops out to second baseman Robinson Chirinos in foul territory.

 

Overall: 5 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, HBP

[anabiono]

oooooh...i want this boy back in the pen

 

yay!

[CuseCubFan69]

he got me hooked in 03

 

He had me at hello.

 

I'd love to see Angel ready for next year and battling for a bullpen job. In my dream world, he's starting but I don't want to visit that world at the moment.

[brinoch]

If he can continue to be effective, it wouldn't surprise me if Angel was called up in September.

[CuseCubFan69]

If he can continue to be effective, it wouldn't surprise me if Angel was called up in September.

 

Lou'd have to be pretty darn careful though. What scares me is that Guz would be effective and pitch a little too much because of the temptation to leave him in there. Lou sees the big picture pretty well and I'm sure that it wouldn't happen but....

[jersey cubs fan]

If he can continue to be effective, it wouldn't surprise me if Angel was called up in September.

 

Lou'd have to be pretty darn careful though. What scares me is that Guz would be effective and pitch a little too much because of the temptation to leave him in there. Lou sees the big picture pretty well and I'm sure that it wouldn't happen but....

 

If he's called up in September though, there isn't a lot Lou can do. He's been careful with Samardzija, not pitching him back to back, etc. There's going to be enough arms down there that Lou would be unlikely to abuse Guzman. It's going to take at least a week or two of quality appearances before he'd even have the desire to start using him all the time, and by then, he'd have very little time to do so. Then, if he makes the playoff roster, that's littered with off-days, which would help.

[CuseCubFan69]

If he can continue to be effective, it wouldn't surprise me if Angel was called up in September.

 

Lou'd have to be pretty darn careful though. What scares me is that Guz would be effective and pitch a little too much because of the temptation to leave him in there. Lou sees the big picture pretty well and I'm sure that it wouldn't happen but....

 

If he's called up in September though, there isn't a lot Lou can do. He's been careful with Samardzija, not pitching him back to back, etc. There's going to be enough arms down there that Lou would be unlikely to abuse Guzman. It's going to take at least a week or two of quality appearances before he'd even have the desire to start using him all the time, and by then, he'd have very little time to do so. Then, if he makes the playoff roster, that's littered with off-days, which would help.

 

First of all, it's pretty nice to have guys that were drafted by the Cubs making/possibly making an impact.

 

That makes sense and it also might depend on how many pitchers they have on the roster for the playoffs.

[abuck1220]

use him as much as you can when he's healthy. if he gets abused and subsequently gets hurt...eh, he was probably going to get hurt again anyway.

[Lefty]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

I'm all for the concept of co-starters piggybacking in starts. But I'm not even sure Guzman can go 5 innings every 5 games.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Guzman's arm has shown for a long time he can't take the stress of even a 5 inning starter's workload. He should've been moved to the pen a long time ago.

[CuseCubFan69]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

What other pitcher would you do that with lefty? It's not a bad idea and if it works out for Guzman and the Cubs could afford to do this by waiting for him to pitch 2 to 3 innings every 5th day it could work. What happens if say....he's matched up with Lilly and Lilly goes 7 and Marmol goes 8 and Wood 9. Do you pitch Guz w/another starter or do you wait for Lilly's next start?

[Guest]

The Gooz is now in Tennessee.

[Guest]

First start at Tennessee:

 

3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 3 GO-4 FO

 

Overall on the rehab trail: 8 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 7 GO-7 FO, 2.25 ERA

[MPrior]

First start at Tennessee:

 

3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 3 GO-4 FO

 

Overall on the rehab trail: 8 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 7 GO-7 FO, 1.13 ERA

 

Not to nitpick, but I think that should be 2.25 ERA, not 1.13.

[Guest]

First start at Tennessee:

 

3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 3 GO-4 FO

 

Overall on the rehab trail: 8 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 7 GO-7 FO, 1.13 ERA

 

Not to nitpick, but I think that should be 2.25 ERA, not 1.13.

 

Oops, I used the BB as his ER total. Good catch. Fixed.

[Guest]

Knoxville News-Sentinel[/url]"]Angel Guzman pitched three pain-free scoreless innings against Birmingham in his first major league rehabilitation start for Tennessee but the pitching-poor Smokies frittered away a six-run lead and fell to the Barons 10-8 at Smokies Park on Tuesday night.

 

Guzman was so much better than his Southern League teammates. He threw 43 pitches, 32 for strikes.

 

"I'm feeling pretty good," Guzman, who had Tommy John (ligament replacement) surgery 11 months ago. "I was trying to get all my pitches together. I thought I had pretty good stuff keeping the ball down and throwing strikes."

 

Guzman was clocked at 95 mph and his first 13 pitches were fastballs.

 

"That's my game plan," he explained. "I think that I'm a power pitcher and I always try to establish my fastball as much as I can. If they don't get a good wood on it, I'm going to keep throwing it."

 

Guzman has done everything he can physically to be part of the Cubs' plans this season, not next.

 

"I worked really, really hard during the offseason," he said. "I think it is paying off. I came back and I feel way stronger than I used to be."

 

Pitchers who have had major reconstructive surgery usually require more than a year to recover and oftentimes experience "spaghetti arm." Their velocity can vacillate with each start as they build arm strength.

 

The 6-foot-3 Venezuelan, who made two rehabilitation starts for Class A Daytona before coming to Tennessee, said he has had no such problem.

 

"Thank God, no," he said, smiling.

[David]

Adding Angel Guzman to the pen for September would be cool.

[CuseCubFan69]

This kid is like Satchel Page when it comes to control.

[RammyFanny]

Looks like Guz will be up in Sept. if all goes well.

"And to those of you asking about Angel Guzman, who had Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery about a year ago, he was expected to make

two starts for Double-A Tennessee, beginning Tuesday, and if all goes

well, he'll move up to Triple-A Iowa, and should join the Cubs for the

final month.

 

"[Guzman's] on a mission to be here [in the big leagues] in September,"

Cubs player development director Oneri Fleita said."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080811&content_id=3290681&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

However, a person who sees the Smokies games on the PSD sight has conflicting reports on Guzman's velocity:

Guzman looked pretty good tonight, but not great. He was throwing in the mid 80's to low 90's and had pretty good control. The only problem was the Birmingham hitters made hard solid contact on a good number of his pitches and it was stellar defense by both Tyler Colvin and Sam Fuld that saved at least 3 of the outs from being hits (possibly for extra bases).

[Guest]

Looks like Guz will be up in Sept. if all goes well.

"And to those of you asking about Angel Guzman, who had Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery about a year ago, he was expected to make

two starts for Double-A Tennessee, beginning Tuesday, and if all goes

well, he'll move up to Triple-A Iowa, and should join the Cubs for the

final month.

 

"[Guzman's] on a mission to be here [in the big leagues] in September,"

Cubs player development director Oneri Fleita said."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080811&content_id=3290681&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

However, a person who sees the Smokies games on the PSD sight has conflicting reports on Guzman's velocity:

Guzman looked pretty good tonight, but not great. He was throwing in the mid 80's to low 90's and had pretty good control. The only problem was the Birmingham hitters made hard solid contact on a good number of his pitches and it was stellar defense by both Tyler Colvin and Sam Fuld that saved at least 3 of the outs from being hits (possibly for extra bases).

 

The Smokies gun is famously slow.

 

Sam Fuld and Tyler Colvin did make great defensive plays on hard hit balls (as did Nate Spears on a blooper).

[Lefty]

I question the assumption that the bullpen is the best place for him. A starter goes on a regular basis and can prepare accordingly. If a pitcher has a lower tolerance, that can be accounted for. Look how the Cubs have been using Harden. Why not use tweeners like Marshall and Guzman, I would include Wood, in tandems. I think Piniella thinks of using Marshall to piggyback on Harden in the right circumstance (he likes the righty/lefty to force the opposition to make the first strategic choice). If Guzman is eventually healthy, why not go five innings every five days as long as there is a two or three inning guy behind him (also on a schedule). Nobody wants to be different I guess.

 

I'm all for the concept of co-starters piggybacking in starts. But I'm not even sure Guzman can go 5 innings every 5 games.

 

How about three every three?