Re: Diamondbacks Call Up Max Scherzer

[nilodnayr]

the real question is whether to use your keeper league waiver claim on this guy or wait for Kershaw

 

Room for another one in that boat? Thank God for Yahoo being slow, at least I'll have a bit of time to give the Dbacks a chance to explain what his role is going to be.

 

If your not currently first in the waiver order I would take a shot. Not worth waiting when you might not even get him to begin with.

 

Unfortunately, I've found myself with the first waiver claim much earlier than I normally like, which means I have tough decisions on who to use it on. The Dbacks are going to stick him in the pen right now. Edgar Gonzalez has been perfectly adequate, Owings has been very good, RJ is healthy (right now), and when Davis comes back in a couple weeks they will already have 6 men for 5 spots.

 

Also, Scherzer only pitched 106.6 innings last year, so the DBacks aren't going to want him to go over 140 this year. Of course, the other side of the coin is that they will probably want him to reach around there so they can get him up to around 170 in 2009. Hes pitched 23 so far, so that means he'll have to be starting again sometime (and somewhere) again this season.

 

This is such a tough call because of the depth in the rotation that the DBacks have... I'm more tempted to do it after his performance last night though... nasty stuff.

 

Someone please slap me around with sample size and Price, Kershaw, etc. will be better arguments.

 

They are all pitchers so I think its a crap shoot. Be happy getting just 1, and hope he outlasts the others.

 

Yeah, I'm going to pull the trigger on Scherzer after Gonzalez's crap outing and his ridiculous debut.

 

Kershaw has the same innings issue that Scherzer has and maybe a harder journey to the rotation given the fact that the dodgers are now a veteran loving organization (hows that Torre hiring working out for ya?). The Dbacks are all about the youth movement and frankly the biggest hurdle (actually being called up) has been overcome for Scherzer. I wish Davis and RJ the best of health, but it still seems like the Dbacks are an org that is hell bent on winning, rather than appeasing their players and after their bats regress to where they should be at they'll be looking for another pick-me-up (or realize their bats will regress and need something else to sustain success).

 

I don't see Price in the ML before September, if at all. They are going to baby the hell out of him (for good reason) and keep his ML service time down (for good reason).

 

Scherzer seems like he'll be the waiver pick up in fantasy leagues this year (Longoria was available in the draft).

[17 Seconds]

Looks like we're going to get to see Scherzer first hand next weekend.

[wrigley23]

I can't wait to see Soriano 3-pitch flail at him.

[17 Seconds]

I can't wait to see Soriano 3-pitch flail at him.

 

You hate Soriano. We get it.

[wrigley23]

And so do you. The difference is that I want his damage minimized by eliminating the fantasy that he is a capable leadoff hitter. He should hit about 7th so his big whiffs & one pitch at bats are hidden. It's kind of like my little league team where you hide the kid that can't hit. Also, he has no business being in the game at all in the late innings in a close game because he obviously cannot field anymore either. He has free swinging AL DH written all over him.

[XZero771679666304]

And so do you. The difference is that I want his damage minimized by eliminating the fantasy that he is a capable leadoff hitter. He should hit about 7th so his big whiffs & one pitch at bats are hidden. It's kind of like my little league team where you hide the kid that can't hit. Also, he has no business being in the game at all in the late innings in a close game because he obviously cannot field anymore either. He has free swinging AL DH written all over him.

 

Clearly. When his OPS is up around .850-.900 in August/September, we're going to want it hidden in the 7 hole.

[17 Seconds]

And so do you. The difference is that I want his damage minimized by eliminating the fantasy that he is a capable leadoff hitter. He should hit about 7th so his big whiffs & one pitch at bats are hidden. It's kind of like my little league team where you hide the kid that can't hit. Also, he has no business being in the game at all in the late innings in a close game because he obviously cannot field anymore either. He has free swinging AL DH written all over him.

 

lolol at "hiding" him in the 7th hole. It's still a spot in the lineup. He'll still be batting. Stop putting such a ridiculous amount of emphasis on lineup construction. Also, I'd much rather have him striking out with nobody on base than striking out with guys on base, which he'd be doing batting 7th.

 

BUT, this thread is not about Soriano. If you want to continue getting schooled in the other thread, then post over there.

[wrigley23]

I've yet to be schooled & certainly not by you. Every game soriano leads off makes you look even more foolish.

[RammyFanny]

People will take you seriously if you, just once, address the points they bring up in their posts like they do for you.

[nilodnayr]

I've yet to be schooled & certainly not by you. Every game soriano leads off makes you look even more foolish.

 

Can you rank the best cubs hitters from best to worse in your opinion? I don't mean best yesterday, I don't mean best over the last 3 years. I mean best from today to the end of the season.

[Tyrant]

And so do you. The difference is that I want his damage minimized by eliminating the fantasy that he is a capable leadoff hitter. He should hit about 7th so his big whiffs & one pitch at bats are hidden. It's kind of like my little league team...

 

Fail.

[abuck1220]

I've yet to be schooled & certainly not by you. Every game soriano leads off makes you look even more foolish.

 

EVERY GAME soriano leads off is another victory for wrigley23.

[RammyFanny]

Why are we talking about Alfonso Soriano in a thread about Max Scherzer's awesomeness again?

[wrigley23]

I said I can't wait to see Soriano 3-pitch flail at the young fireballer. Come to think of it...he 3-pitch flails at nearly ever pitcher he faces. It's a good thing he feels more comfortable in the leadoff spot though. Comfortable strikeouts aren't near as bad as uncomfortable ones that would come down further in the order.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

My mother once told me an maxim about a broken record....I'm not sure why I remembered that just nbow. Edited May 6, 2008 by vance_the_cubs_fan

[XZero771679666304]

People will take you seriously if you, just once, address the points they bring up in their posts like they do for you.

 

No, it's much easier to ignore them, especially when they don't support your argument. You have to find an angle and stick to it, regardless of whether or not it's completely wrong. And you can't let things like reality deter you. You wouldn't want to be a flip-flopper.

[CoolHandLuke]

Dang you Max, for tricking me into using my waiver claim on you, and proceeding to suck, once you are inserted into the rotation.

[nilodnayr]

Dang you Max, for tricking me into using my waiver claim on you, and proceeding to suck, once you are inserted into the rotation.

 

blame drew

[CoolHandLuke]

Dang you Max, for tricking me into using my waiver claim on you, and proceeding to suck, once you are inserted into the rotation.

 

blame drew

 

Yeah I jumped the gun when I saw the 5 spot, and assumed they were earned, so I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

[Rob]

Dang you Max, for tricking me into using my waiver claim on you, and proceeding to suck, once you are inserted into the rotation.

 

I traded him before this start in a package deal for ARod. :yahoo:

[wrigley23]

there are no numbers that support the soriano for leadoff argument. Every day he flails, fails to work counts & whiffs are days that are piling up that will one day lead to his being supplanted out of the leadoff spot. It's just too bad we have to pile on more losses before that ultimately happens. Fuko is a waste at #5 just like soriano is at the top. His flailing proves it more everyday. It's funny when it has now become a national story. You hear about it all around baseball. It was even discussed during sunday's national broadcast.

[fromthestretch]

there are no numbers that support the soriano for leadoff argument. Every day he flails, fails to work counts & whiffs are days that are piling up that will one day lead to his being supplanted out of the leadoff spot. It's just too bad we have to pile on more losses before that ultimately happens. Fuko is a waste at #5 just like soriano is at the top. His flailing proves it more everyday. It's funny when it has now become a national story. You hear about it all around baseball. It was even discussed during sunday's national broadcast.

 

It's even being discussed in a thread about Max Scherzer. That's how freaking big this is, guys!!!!

[nilodnayr]

I've yet to be schooled & certainly not by you. Every game soriano leads off makes you look even more foolish.

 

Can you rank the best cubs hitters from best to worse in your opinion? I don't mean best yesterday, I don't mean best over the last 3 years. I mean best from today to the end of the season.

 

Do you want to have a discussion about soriano and respond when people ask you questions or do you just want to rant...because you know we have a forum just for that. I suggest you check it out.

[BigbadB]

there are no numbers that support the soriano for leadoff argument. Every day he flails, fails to work counts & whiffs are days that are piling up that will one day lead to his being supplanted out of the leadoff spot.

 

Yes, there are numbers that support Soriano for lead of argument. RUNS SCORED. Soriano scored 97 runs last year in only 135 games. Think about that for a minute. He was flailing away at pitches last year. He failed to work counts last year and he was whiffing with the best of them last year.

 

He was on pace to score more than 110 runs batting lead off for the Cubs last year even though he was flailing and whiffing a lot. It's what he does when he does make contact that makes all the difference.

 

I'll be the first to admit that it's very frustrating to watch him when he's struggling. But, he was also on pace to hit nearly 100 XBH's last year, which is what makes the guy valuable.

 

I'd love it if he was more selective at the plate, struck out less and stopped swinging at bad pitches. If he did that, he probably would be the best hitter on the team and hitting 3rd or 4th would make the most sense for him. But, no matter how you attempt to spin that he isn't productive in the lead off spot, Soriano's past records indicate that he is very productive in the lead off spot, both in scoring runs and driving in runs.

 

Theriot, on the other hand, played in more games than Soriano, hit at the top of the order nearly as often as Soriano, and only scored 80 runs and only drove in 45 runs. This is not the type of guy you want hitting at the top of the order. So far, he hasn't hurt the team too much hitting 1st or 2nd as much as he has. But, when he slumps, he'll be very detrimental to the most important stat in the game of baseball. CROSSING THE PLATE.

 

I'm sure you get frustrated watching Soriano flail at everything. I do to. But, he's here and he'll be here for a long time, so we might as well get used to it. But, let's at least stop ignoring the production he brings once his bat starts making more contact.

[inari]

I hadn't clicked this thread before because I wasn't particularly interested in reading about Scherzer. Now that I see what it's turned into, I'm not particularly interested either. If you guys keep responding, he'll continue being a broken record. If you stop, or better yet put him on ignore like I have, he'll go away. It's that simply. But there's too many people that fall into his trap and allow him to continue repeating one of three posts he's made here over and over.