Re: Week 4

[shnsajax]

Yeah, I don't understand why non injury related substitutions are happening.

 

Basically, this opens the door to daily substitutions since the definition of sucky can be a pretty wide open interpretation.

 

And I didn't think we wanted daily substitutions.

 

I don't. Weekly subs are my favorite thing about this league.

[abuck1220]

Yeah, I don't understand why non injury related substitutions are happening.

 

Basically, this opens the door to daily substitutions since the definition of sucky can be a pretty wide open interpretation.

 

And I didn't think we wanted daily substitutions.

 

I don't. Weekly subs are my favorite thing about this league.

 

i agree. but it was established in one of the weekly threads somewhere that is was allowed.

[Chris]

I can't remember if the "suck" rule specifically mentioned being for position players or not. We really need to get the official rules posted in one place.

[abuck1220]

I can't remember if the "suck" rule specifically mentioned being for position players or not. We really need to get the official rules posted in one place.

 

the reason it was brought up in the earlier thread was because a relief pitcher was sucking. i was just surprised that someone other than me had a relief pitcher that sucked...i thought i cornered that market.

[cbbryan]

This means I can take Ankiel out of my line-up then?

[shnsajax]

I can't remember if the "suck" rule specifically mentioned being for position players or not. We really need to get the official rules posted in one place.

 

the reason it was brought up in the earlier thread was because a relief pitcher was sucking. i was just surprised that someone other than me had a relief pitcher that sucked...i thought i cornered that market.

 

I thought that this was revolving around the injured player talk, and if he had to be DL'ed or what to replace him. Never thought about the sucking. The sucking would allow you to take out daily and make changes when ever you want.

 

Also this is the whole reason we set our lineups on Sundays for the week, otherwise why would we need to do that. You put a player in for the week you have to live with it barring DL.

[BigbadB]

I can't remember if the "suck" rule specifically mentioned being for position players or not. We really need to get the official rules posted in one place.

 

the reason it was brought up in the earlier thread was because a relief pitcher was sucking. i was just surprised that someone other than me had a relief pitcher that sucked...i thought i cornered that market.

 

I thought that this was revolving around the injured player talk, and if he had to be DL'ed or what to replace him. Never thought about the sucking. The sucking would allow you to take out daily and make changes when ever you want.

 

Exactly. A guy who is expected to put up zero points tomorrow (due to his team being off that day) would be expected to be sucky that day, therefore a replacement would be in order. Thus, daily roster changes.

 

To me, I like the fact you are stuck with a sucky player all week because you were dumb enough to put a sucky player in your line up to begin with.

 

If the sucky player gets hurt or if the team actually converts your sucky player into a bench player, only then should you be able to get the suckiness out of your line up.

[Chris]

Either way, this one needs to be laid to rest. Personally I think that a guy should have to have the ambulance sign to be able to be pulled out. After all, I know that Valverde has sucked pretty bad. However, if I want the potential reward of getting points on saves I should also have to accept the risk for putting him in the lineup. I prefer setting the lineup and leaving it with the exception of swapping active starting pitchers or removing a player that's hurt.

 

Earlier in the year we all commented on the day off factor. If a person can take a player out for playing bad then everyone should be able to switch a player at least once. For example, if my main outfielder is off Monday and I have a reserve that is playing Monday I should be able to play the reserve Monday, and switch back for Tuesday if we're going to allow players to get pulled for bad play.

[shnsajax]

Either way, this one needs to be laid to rest. Personally I think that a guy should have to have the ambulance sign to be able to be pulled out. After all, I know that Valverde has sucked pretty bad. However, if I want the potential reward of getting points on saves I should also have to accept the risk for putting him in the lineup. I prefer setting the lineup and leaving it with the exception of swapping active starting pitchers or removing a player that's hurt.

 

Earlier in the year we all commented on the day off factor. If a person can take a player out for playing bad then everyone should be able to switch a player at least once. For example, if my main outfielder is off Monday and I have a reserve that is playing Monday I should be able to play the reserve Monday, and switch back for Tuesday if we're going to allow players to get pulled for bad play.

 

I wouldn't even say you could do that. Again its all part of the strategy of Sunday. In the end every player has the opportunity to play 162 games a year, why are we trying to squeeze a 180-190 games out of the 1st base position for example. If you have two OF and one plays 7 games in a week and the other plays 6 you pick the player that you think will net you the most points. No subbing or switching for anything outside of injury and starts.

[BigbadB]

I would take it a bit farther. I think you should be able to:

 

Switch out a player who has the ambulance symbol.

Switch out a player if you have someone coming off the DL, assuming the DL player is replacing the guy you want to want to remove from your line up.

Switch out a player who has been benched by the major league team for a number of reasons, like bereavement, suspension, lost his starting job, sent to minors, etc.....

 

Suckiness just doesn't cut it, IMO.

[Chris]

I'm not saying that I believe that you should just be able to switch a guy for that extra game. I am saying that if we're going to allow someone to pull a guy for poor play then we had might as well allow a sub during the week if a guy or team has the day off. Getting to pull a guy because he's playing bad gives you an advantage IMHO and as already mentioned, you cannot have an absolute standard defining bad play.

[rawaction]

I would take it a bit farther. I think you should be able to:

 

Switch out a player who has the ambulance symbol.

Switch out a player if you have someone coming off the DL, assuming the DL player is replacing the guy you want to want to remove from your line up.

Switch out a player who has been benched by the major league team for a number of reasons, like bereavement, suspension, lost his starting job, sent to minors, etc.....

 

Suckiness just doesn't cut it, IMO.

 

Agreed. As one of the original members of the league, this is how its always been.

[BigbadB]

I would take it a bit farther. I think you should be able to:

 

Switch out a player who has the ambulance symbol.

Switch out a player if you have someone coming off the DL, assuming the DL player is replacing the guy you want to want to remove from your line up.

Switch out a player who has been benched by the major league team for a number of reasons, like bereavement, suspension, lost his starting job, sent to minors, etc.....

 

Suckiness just doesn't cut it, IMO.

 

Quoted for the purpose of adding the switching out of starters for the 7 start rule.

[Guest]

I would take it a bit farther. I think you should be able to:

 

Switch out a player who has the ambulance symbol.

Switch out a player if you have someone coming off the DL, assuming the DL player is replacing the guy you want to want to remove from your line up.

Switch out a player who has been benched by the major league team for a number of reasons, like bereavement, suspension, lost his starting job, sent to minors, etc.....

 

Suckiness just doesn't cut it, IMO.

 

I agree with all but the last one. How do you define benched? I think a few games in a row on the bench would be the definition and with that definition, you can wait until Sunday. Other than the above, you cannot switch out position players or relief pitchers.

[NCCubFan]

On page 1 of the week 2 thread Juan clearly said that substituting for a player due to suckiness is permitted. What is not permitted is swapping back and forth. My interpretation of that is you can remove a player during the week for suckiness, but if you do so that player has to remain benched for the rest of the week.

[shnsajax]

I didn't even realize Cliff Lee was pitching last night. To wake to my surprise and see he put up 50 points is very nice :-).

[tadowdaddy]

Granderson now off the DL, so he's been subbed in for Dye, who is now hurt. My team sucks. All my optimism from weeks 1-2 has gone right out the door!

[Chris]

On page 1 of the week 2 thread Juan clearly said that substituting for a player due to suckiness is permitted. What is not permitted is swapping back and forth. My interpretation of that is you can remove a player during the week for suckiness, but if you do so that player has to remain benched for the rest of the week.

 

I'm not against you here NC, just pointing out the confusion. FWIW that was the same week that I put Valverde back in the lineup after benching him for a -10 performance.

 

There's been a lot of confusion in regards to the rules this year. Personally I think we should get all of this ironed out before we get further in the season.

[NCCubFan]

On page 1 of the week 2 thread Juan clearly said that substituting for a player due to suckiness is permitted. What is not permitted is swapping back and forth. My interpretation of that is you can remove a player during the week for suckiness, but if you do so that player has to remain benched for the rest of the week.

 

I'm not against you here NC, just pointing out the confusion. FWIW that was the same week that I put Valverde back in the lineup after benching him for a -10 performance.

 

There's been a lot of confusion in regards to the rules this year. Personally I think we should get all of this ironed out before we get further in the season.

I definitely agree. Before this season I was always under the impression that suckiness was NOT a reason for making a mid-week switch. I thought it could only be done for players who were expected to miss games due to injury, trades, players coming off the DL, or players being benched or sent down by their major league teams. I was surprised to read that switching due to slumping was allowed this year, but given that I decided to use it. So far it's made virtually no difference; the difference between Greene's and Cedeno's performance yesterday was less than one point, and it was actually the player I benched (Greene) who had the (very slightly) higher score.

 

I don't think anybody in the league is trying to circumvent the rules, but it's hard to follow them without knowing what they are.

[cbbryan]

On page 1 of the week 2 thread Juan clearly said that substituting for a player due to suckiness is permitted. What is not permitted is swapping back and forth. My interpretation of that is you can remove a player during the week for suckiness, but if you do so that player has to remain benched for the rest of the week.

 

I'm not against you here NC, just pointing out the confusion. FWIW that was the same week that I put Valverde back in the lineup after benching him for a -10 performance.

 

There's been a lot of confusion in regards to the rules this year. Personally I think we should get all of this ironed out before we get further in the season.

I definitely agree. Before this season I was always under the impression that suckiness was NOT a reason for making a mid-week switch. I thought it could only be done for players who were expected to miss games due to injury, trades, players coming off the DL, or players being benched or sent down by their major league teams. I was surprised to read that switching due to slumping was allowed this year, but given that I decided to use it. So far it's made virtually no difference; the difference between Greene's and Cedeno's performance yesterday was less than one point, and it was actually the player I benched (Greene) who had the (very slightly) higher score.

 

I don't think anybody in the league is trying to circumvent the rules, but it's hard to follow them without knowing what they are.

 

I don't think switching due to suckage should be allowed. I made a decision last week to play Ankiel over Scott and the difference was almost 20 points in favor of Scott. Of course, my pitching sucked so I wouldn't have won the game anyway, but in a normal week 20 points could be the difference in winning and losing.

 

This has happened to me again w/ Ankiel this week and I have not moved him out of my line-up.

 

Next week he will not be in my line-up. He'll probably score 50 pts. :lol:

[tadowdaddy]

I would take it a bit farther. I think you should be able to:

 

Switch out a player who has the ambulance symbol.

Switch out a player if you have someone coming off the DL, assuming the DL player is replacing the guy you want to want to remove from your line up.

Switch out a player who has been benched by the major league team for a number of reasons, like bereavement, suspension, lost his starting job, sent to minors, etc.....

 

Suckiness just doesn't cut it, IMO.

 

Agreed. As one of the original members of the league, this is how its always been.

 

 

Seconded!

[Guest]

I was wrong in week 2.

 

FWIW, there is a rules thread.

[Chris]

At the risk of sounding like the worst person on earth, the rules page can be vague and there are changes that haven't been added. When I typed up the updated rules sheet to pass on there were more than a couple of changes that had to be made.

[BigbadB]

At the risk of sounding like the worst person on earth, the rules page can be vague and there are changes that haven't been added. When I typed up the updated rules sheet to pass on there were more than a couple of changes that had to be made.

 

I will pass along what I have so far to Juan before I leave for Vegas Sunday morning. Maybe we can get an official rules page posted in the next few weeks. Maybe Juan can email the completed rules page to those Roadkill managers who do not post at NSBB as well.

[abuck1220]

good luck getting in touch with those that don't post on nsbb.