Official "My God, can he keep it going?!?" Theriot BandWGN

[RegulusBlue]

I started the "Official Get rid of Theriot Thread" and I'm currently dining on some broasted crow with a garlic lavender sauce. He's helping us win, so its quite good. I just hope Extreme Ryan The Hurricane Theriot can keep some semblance of this going for the year, or at least fall off so fast that even Lou can't play him through it for very long.

 

Good stretches like this are dangerous when you have a horrible manager (ie- hit and runs and bunts yesterday) like we do. It makes them lean on a bad/fair player too long and the club loses games. That said, he's playing well, and I have garlic breath.

[jersey cubs fan]

I doubt he will, but I hope he keeps it up for a few more years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So far, Ryan Theriot is hitting .302/.371/.429 in 63 AB. Guess which player hit .371/.400/.548 in his first 62 AB with the Cubs?

 

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

 

The lesson?

 

Pay very close attention to the sample size. Anybody can hit very well for a month... even the worst hitter in history.

 

The difference is that Neifi was a career role player/journeyman aside from a few good years in Coors Field, and we dont even know what % of that time he was on the joice, where as Theriot is a prospect who had some pretty respectable AAA numbers. I could see him going to to have a very respectable David Eckstein-esque career.

[Sammy Sofa]

where as Theriot is a prospect who had some pretty respectable AAA numbers. I could see him going to to have a very respectable David Eckstein-esque career.

 

If this is a FJM-esque bit of sarcastic commentary, it's brilliant. If not...GUH?!?

[brinoch]

I wish all the best for Theriot and all Cubs players -- except for one: Neifi Perez. I recall watching a Cubs/Nats game in RFK with Mr. Wood where we discussed whether or not we were bad fans for wishing ill upon the House of Perez. We decided we were, indeed, good fans because Neifi was a pox on the Cubs' soul and was bad baseball incarnate.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

where as Theriot is a prospect who had some pretty respectable AAA numbers. I could see him going to to have a very respectable David Eckstein-esque career.

 

If this is a FJM-esque bit of sarcastic commentary, it's brilliant. If not...GUH?!?

what's not to like about a sub-750 OPS in the PCL at age 26?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

The difference is that Neifi was a career role player/journeyman aside from a few good years in Coors Field, and we dont even know what % of that time he was on the joice, where as Theriot is a prospect who had some pretty respectable AAA numbers. I could see him going to to have a very respectable David Eckstein-esque career.

 

As a 26-year-old in AAA, Theriot hit .304/.367/.379, which MLEs translate to the major-league equivalent of .268/.327/.335. It's hard to compare that to Neifi because of Colorado, but that works out to basically the same OPS as an average Neifi season, with more OBP and less SLG.

 

At the same age in the majors, Eckstein hit .285/.355/.357. Eckstein's age-25 season in AAA wa very Theriot-esque, but the two years before he put up .313/.420/.416 in AA and .306/.408/.398 in high-A, levels Theriot never approached in the minors.

 

Theriot looks to me a lot closer to Neifi than to Eckstein.

[WilcoFan]

This is not so much an argument as much as a question for those more attuned to MiLB than I:

 

Wasn't Theriot a switch hitter through much of his minor league career with some pretty nasty splits that might affect the crappiness of his overall minor league numbers?

[bcl412]

This is not so much an argument as much as a question for those more attuned to MiLB than I:

 

Wasn't Theriot a switch hitter through much of his minor league career with some pretty nasty splits that might affect the crappiness of his overall minor league numbers?

 

I think he at least experimented with it. I don't know for how long or his number while he did but I found an interview he did and he said it was something he only tired with the Cubs org. if this is true this might explain some of his struggles in the Minors as you said.

[Tyrant]

 

Good stretches like this are dangerous when you have a horrible manager (ie- hit and runs and bunts yesterday) like we do.

 

Lou is not a horrible manager. Talk about hyperbole.

[Rob]

 

Good stretches like this are dangerous when you have a horrible manager (ie- hit and runs and bunts yesterday) like we do.

 

Lou is not a horrible manager. Talk about hyperbole.

 

Horrible is simply a relative term. You two are probably just looking at it different ways.

 

Relative to the moves a manager should make, Lou is horrible.

 

Relative to other managers, not so much.

[Tyrant]

 

Good stretches like this are dangerous when you have a horrible manager (ie- hit and runs and bunts yesterday) like we do.

 

Lou is not a horrible manager. Talk about hyperbole.

 

Horrible is simply a relative term. You two are probably just looking at it different ways.

 

Relative to the moves a manager should make, Lou is horrible.

 

Relative to other managers, not so much.

 

I don't know if I can handle the negativity around here much longer. I'm all for debate and dialogue, but you'd think the Cubs were 6-12 right now instead of 12-6.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

keep us posted, the going away party committee is meeting later this afternoon

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't know if I can handle the negativity around here much longer. I'm all for debate and dialogue, but you'd think the Cubs were 6-12 right now instead of 12-6.

 

With the way every management move is defended by at least some portion of Cubs fans, you'd think we have at least one 90-win season to show for all the money they've blown through.

[Rob]

I don't know if I can handle the negativity around here much longer. I'm all for debate and dialogue, but you'd think the Cubs were 6-12 right now instead of 12-6.

 

I'm not sure how I said anything that was overly negative... I thought I was complimenting Piniella.

[chuckywang]

Somewhere Bo Hart is weeping quietly.

[cheapseats]

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

which translated to a 4.7 warp. i'm not trying to be contrarian i just think thats interesting.

 

WARP incorporates defense, and Neifi was one of the best defensive SS in baseball in 2005.

[Rob]

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

which translated to a 4.7 warp. i'm not trying to be contrarian i just think thats interesting.

 

WARP incorporates defense, and Neifi was one of the best defensive SS in baseball in 2005.

 

Not to mention that a 4.7 warp isn't really 4.7 wins above a replacement level player. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody that actually matches their definition of replacement level.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wish all the best for Theriot and all Cubs players -- except for one: Neifi Perez. I recall watching a Cubs/Nats game in RFK with Mr. Wood where we discussed whether or not we were bad fans for wishing ill upon the House of Perez. We decided we were, indeed, good fans because Neifi was a pox on the Cubs' soul and was bad baseball incarnate.

 

You clearly did not respect the power of Neifury!

[brinoch]

I wish all the best for Theriot and all Cubs players -- except for one: Neifi Perez. I recall watching a Cubs/Nats game in RFK with Mr. Wood where we discussed whether or not we were bad fans for wishing ill upon the House of Perez. We decided we were, indeed, good fans because Neifi was a pox on the Cubs' soul and was bad baseball incarnate.

 

You clearly did not respect the power of Neifury!

 

There might have been beer involved, though I will neither confirm nor deny such a presence.

[RegulusBlue]

 

Good stretches like this are dangerous when you have a horrible manager (ie- hit and runs and bunts yesterday) like we do.

 

Lou is not a horrible manager. Talk about hyperbole.

 

Horrible is simply a relative term. You two are probably just looking at it different ways.

 

Relative to the moves a manager should make, Lou is horrible.

 

Relative to other managers, not so much.

 

This is correct. Lou IS a terrible manager who misunderstands the statistical impediment that his own decisions place on the squad (like all the other ones not working for Billy Beane). Even "baseball men" know not to bunt or give up an out when you're in full tilt rally mode, or having a good offensive day. Its sad, but simply by following the numbers, I could make much better in-game decisions than Mr. Piniella. That said, I've taken dumps better than Dusty.

[Yeti]

i dont have the #'s to back it up, but teriot seems to flourish when fontinot is around, im too drunk to bother now and too lazy to look it up later, but i think there may be a correlation to those 2 in the lineup togather and them doing better than their normal #'s. maybe they offer each other a lvl of comfort that they dont usually have....i dunno...just a drunken thought.

 

While we were in Pittsburgh you insisted that Corey Patterson (.323/.353/.839/1.192 at the time) had finally "figured it out", and was beginning that magical break out year that everyone talks about. In the meantime, Corey's gone 1 for 28, including 0 for Chicago, and dropped that line to .200/.274/.509/.783. Hell, he hasn't had a hit in 9 days !

 

Not gonna draw the logical conclusion here...... leaving it to you. :wink:

to be fair, i never said that he had figured it out, i said that he looked like he might be figureing it out and that i hoped that he did

[sneakypower]

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

which translated to a 4.7 warp. i'm not trying to be contrarian i just think thats interesting.

 

WARP incorporates defense, and Neifi was one of the best defensive SS in baseball in 2005.

 

Not to mention that a 4.7 warp isn't really 4.7 wins above a replacement level player. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody that actually matches their definition of replacement level.

i'm aware of that, but it either means one of two things: 1) he was unfairly abused by the fans that year, or 2) warp is nonsense

[Clem Fandango]

I thought Neifi was the replacement player that WARP and VORP reference

[Rob]

That'd be Neifi Perez. He'd go on to post a .274/.298/.383 the next year.

which translated to a 4.7 warp. i'm not trying to be contrarian i just think thats interesting.

 

WARP incorporates defense, and Neifi was one of the best defensive SS in baseball in 2005.

 

Not to mention that a 4.7 warp isn't really 4.7 wins above a replacement level player. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody that actually matches their definition of replacement level.

i'm aware of that, but it either means one of two things: 1) he was unfairly abused by the fans that year, or 2) warp is nonsense

 

Not really. Perhaps the acronym is nonsense, but it has its uses... same as any other statistic. But I can see that you obviously don't let your limited grasp of the statistic influence your opinion towards it.