Re: 04/19 Pittsburgh (Gorzelanny) @ CUBS (Marquis) 12:05, CSN TV

[WilcoFan]

and a hot less-than-half season of hitting in the PCL has everybody sold on him and singing his praises and praying for severe injury of the incumbent? wow, if that isnt the definition of reactionary i do not know what is.

 

Less-than-half season? Check his 2005.

i drew my own conclusion that the Cedeno hate occurred in 2006.

 

stop me if i'm mischaracterizing.

 

2005 - LOVE HIM

2006 - severe irrational cedeno hate

2007 - severe irrational cedeno hate continues...wallops the ball in the PCL...LOVE HIM

 

no, upon further thought i dont see anything reactionary about that

 

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

 

Ridiculous overgeneralizations in this thread:

 

Wilcofan: 1

BigSlick: 1

Edited April 19, 2008 by WilcoFan

[Schwarber Fan]

It's a shame we didn't follow through on this:

 

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45689&p=1611243&hilit=nate+mcclouth#p1611243

[Fred Hornkohl]

Sanchez doubled to left field , McLouth scored

[BigSlick]

How much complaining has there been of his play this year? .

 

You obviously haven't read too many game threads this year. My favorite: the "BE HURT THERIOT" comment(s).

 

To be fair, we aren't complaining about his play to date this season. We are complaining about the likely level of play the rest of the season.

 

Wow-complaining about play that hasn't even happened yet. That's an effective strategy.

Its something a GM has to do every day on his job.

 

Even Neifi has had stretches where he walloped the ball. I

 

I know everyone's a wannabe GM, but last time I checked, no one on this board was getting paid by the Chicago Cubs to make personnel decisions. Fans in general need to understand their roles a little better-it will do everyone a lot of good.

Whatever, we shouldn't talk about anyones play at all then, since none of us is in any position to make any decision.

 

I'm saying making decisions based on play that hasn't happened yet is something that commonly happens and should be encouraged. Otherwise we are just picking players at random and upgrading them to MLB.

 

 

Wow, did you miss the point. This has nothing to do with commenting on people's current play...it has to do with commenting on their alleged future play. Let me break it down:

 

1. Theriot is playing.

2. He has been playing well.

3. Regardless of our predictions, the Cubs will either (a.) choose for him to return to the bench or (b.) continue to play SS

4. None of us have any bearing on that decision.

5. If he continues playing at the level he is playing, the Cubs will be successful.

6. If he doesn't, it isn't very likely that Piniella will switch him out anyway, and the Cubs will be worse off for it.

7. Rooting for him to fail is essentially rooting for the team to fail, because his presence in the lineup isn't likely to change.

 

blah blah blah i'll just repost what i said to the other guy

 

 

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

[BigSlick]

How much complaining has there been of his play this year? .

 

You obviously haven't read too many game threads this year. My favorite: the "BE HURT THERIOT" comment(s).

 

To be fair, we aren't complaining about his play to date this season. We are complaining about the likely level of play the rest of the season.

 

Wow-complaining about play that hasn't even happened yet. That's an effective strategy.

Its something a GM has to do every day on his job.

 

Even Neifi has had stretches where he walloped the ball. I

 

I know everyone's a wannabe GM, but last time I checked, no one on this board was getting paid by the Chicago Cubs to make personnel decisions. Fans in general need to understand their roles a little better-it will do everyone a lot of good.

Whatever, we shouldn't talk about anyones play at all then, since none of us is in any position to make any decision.

 

I'm saying making decisions based on play that hasn't happened yet is something that commonly happens and should be encouraged. Otherwise we are just picking players at random and upgrading them to MLB.

 

 

Wow, did you miss the point. This has nothing to do with commenting on people's current play...it has to do with commenting on their alleged future play. Let me break it down:

 

1. Theriot is playing.

2. He has been playing well.

3. Regardless of our predictions, the Cubs will either (a.) choose for him to return to the bench or (b.) continue to play SS

4. None of us have any bearing on that decision.

5. If he continues playing at the level he is playing, the Cubs will be successful.

6. If he doesn't, it isn't very likely that Piniella will switch him out anyway, and the Cubs will be worse off for it.

7. Rooting for him to fail is essentially rooting for the team to fail, because his presence in the lineup isn't likely to change.

 

blah blah blah i'll just repost what i said to the other guy

 

 

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

 

And this is the important thing:

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

[Schwarber Fan]

For the love of god, cut down that quote box.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ridiculous overgeneralizations in this thread:

 

Wilcofan: 1

KyleJRM: 1

 

That wasn't my post. But I did say some pretty bad things about the Pirates earlier, so I'll accept my one.

 

Anyways, 7-1 now.

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Bixler popped out to second base

Dumatrait struck out swinging

McLouth doubled to left center field

Sanchez doubled to left field , McLouth scored

Bay lined out to right field

 

1 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Pittsburgh      0 0 0 0 1                      1  5  0
CUBS            2 1 4 0                        7  7  0

 

Home runs:

Pittsburgh: none

CUBS: Lee (7)

 

Pittsburgh     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Gorzelanny    2.7  6  7  7  4  3  1  80
Dumatrait     1.3  1  0  0  1  0  0  25

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Marquis       5.0  5  1  1  1  4  0  83

[TakeMeOutToTheBallGame]

Nate McClouth MUST be ours!

 

Cant we call him up from pittsburgh or something?

[WilcoFan]

Ridiculous overgeneralizations in this thread:

 

Wilcofan: 1

KyleJRM: 1

 

That wasn't my post. But I did say some pretty bad things about the Pirates earlier, so I'll accept my one.

 

Anyways, 7-1 now.

 

 

My bad-I misread it. Sorry about that.

[BigSlick]

I'm just going to keep Theriot in my signature to highlight the whole hypocrisy of my posting btw

[sneakypower]

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

Lou thinks the same thing and expresses as much in his quotes about Theriot. It doesn't preclude you from winning a championship to have one sub-par producer in your lineup. Management considers his intangibles a strong enough asset to offset these flaws, or believes he'll improve.

[anabiono]

McClouth really is a pain in the butt.

If we stay up 7-0 he can get all the hits he wants.

 

especially because he is starting for my fantasy team today!

 

:grin:

[BigSlick]

Gosh Darnit, I wanted him to get another double

[bcl412]

I'm just going to keep Theriot in my signature to highlight the whole hypocrisy of my posting btw

 

lol, I was always wondering about your Theriot picture. Were you someone who liked him when he first came up or has it always been ironic?

[Fred Hornkohl]

Soto singled to left field , out at second, 7-4

[WilcoFan]

How much complaining has there been of his play this year? .

 

You obviously haven't read too many game threads this year. My favorite: the "BE HURT THERIOT" comment(s).

 

To be fair, we aren't complaining about his play to date this season. We are complaining about the likely level of play the rest of the season.

 

Wow-complaining about play that hasn't even happened yet. That's an effective strategy.

Its something a GM has to do every day on his job.

 

Even Neifi has had stretches where he walloped the ball. I

 

I know everyone's a wannabe GM, but last time I checked, no one on this board was getting paid by the Chicago Cubs to make personnel decisions. Fans in general need to understand their roles a little better-it will do everyone a lot of good.

Whatever, we shouldn't talk about anyones play at all then, since none of us is in any position to make any decision.

 

I'm saying making decisions based on play that hasn't happened yet is something that commonly happens and should be encouraged. Otherwise we are just picking players at random and upgrading them to MLB.

 

 

Wow, did you miss the point. This has nothing to do with commenting on people's current play...it has to do with commenting on their alleged future play. Let me break it down:

 

1. Theriot is playing.

2. He has been playing well.

3. Regardless of our predictions, the Cubs will either (a.) choose for him to return to the bench or (b.) continue to play SS

4. None of us have any bearing on that decision.

5. If he continues playing at the level he is playing, the Cubs will be successful.

6. If he doesn't, it isn't very likely that Piniella will switch him out anyway, and the Cubs will be worse off for it.

7. Rooting for him to fail is essentially rooting for the team to fail, because his presence in the lineup isn't likely to change.

 

blah blah blah i'll just repost what i said to the other guy

 

 

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

 

And this is the important thing:

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

 

And as I posted earlier-this is a ridiculous overgeneralization. I don't particularly even like Theriot as a player and really wished we would have gotten a better player in the offseason. But now that the season has started, there's really no reason for me to continue to complain about his performance, especially because it has been nothing short of very productive.

[Keener98]

How much complaining has there been of his play this year? .

 

You obviously haven't read too many game threads this year. My favorite: the "BE HURT THERIOT" comment(s).

 

To be fair, we aren't complaining about his play to date this season. We are complaining about the likely level of play the rest of the season.

 

Wow-complaining about play that hasn't even happened yet. That's an effective strategy.

Its something a GM has to do every day on his job.

 

Even Neifi has had stretches where he walloped the ball. I

 

I know everyone's a wannabe GM, but last time I checked, no one on this board was getting paid by the Chicago Cubs to make personnel decisions. Fans in general need to understand their roles a little better-it will do everyone a lot of good.

 

What stupid thinking. Just because somebody isnt in baseball means we cant have our opinions, and our opinions are automatically wrong? So by that logic there are no stupid people in any profession because they are in that profession, right?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Lou thinks the same thing and expresses as much in his quotes about Theriot. It doesn't preclude you from winning a championship to have one sub-par producer in your lineup. Management considers his intangibles a strong enough asset to offset these flaws, or believes he'll improve.

 

I'm not even worried about this season, per se. With or without Theriot and Pie, the Cubs are the best team in the division, and after that the playoffs are a tossup.

 

I just want to continue to be the best team in the division for a long time, and we can't paper over our mistakes with cash forever.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Cedeno grounded out to short, 6-3

[Andy]

Come on Geo, don't be stupid.

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 2-0 when their pitcher gets a hit.... 8-6 when he doesn't

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[Schwarber Fan]

What a horrible call, he was obviously safe by the naked eye

[bcl412]

Wait, live action he looked really safe. I think the replay shows he at least tied. That was close though.

[BigSlick]

Except they were looking at past numbers consistently when evaluating Cedeno. Theriot has never done anything to show that he can be an everyday better-than-replacement-level short stop. And if he is, then he is, its not like we have that many options. Most teams (other than the Yankees and Red Sox) have subpar position players, its part of the game.

 

Probably most of the reason Theriot draws reactionary comments on this site is because lazy Cubs fans that don't pay attention to the team think he's our Eckstein, awesome-scrappy-dappy-do saviour that can do no wrong. The people that look at the numbers know theres more to the story.

Lou thinks the same thing and expresses as much in his quotes about Theriot. It doesn't preclude you from winning a championship to have one sub-par producer in your lineup. Management considers his intangibles a strong enough asset to offset these flaws, or believes he'll improve.

Another thing: Fukudome could probably find a better spot leading off or hitting 2nd and is missing out on a few ABs in favor of inferior Reed Johnson and Ryan Theriot

 

Heck, this might end up costing Derrek Lee the RBI crown if he keeps playing this way. (Not that I care...he might?)