Maybe the White Sox are for real.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

[inari]

Not to diverge from the topic at hand, but I've thought for a while that the White Sox will have a pretty solid team this year. The starting rotation is a huge question of course, but Buehrle and Vazquez are a really good 1-2 punch. If Danks continues to pitch well or even serviceably (as I expect him to), the rotation isn't terrible. Even though they shouldn't have poured so much money into it, the bullpen is significantly better. As far as the offense goes, you're going to probably get at least league average production out of every position except second base. For first base, center field, and shortstop you can reasonably expect to get production well above league average. Konerko, Swisher, Thome, and Dye are a pretty powerful group of hitters. Crede and Uribe could put up relatively high power numbers as well.

 

I like how the team looks.

[ELCABALLO45]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

I hope your not trying to be serious

[SouthSideRyan]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

I hope your not trying to be serious

 

Take it to the extreme: Would you rather have Manny Ramirez on your team leading off or Scott Podsednik '05 on your team leading off?

[17 Seconds]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

I hope your not trying to be serious

 

Says the guy who thinks Carlos Lee for Scott [expletive] Podsednik was a good trade. The White Sox would have been a better team with Carlos Lee than with Scott Podsednik, period. I don't care where each of them hit in the lineup, Carlos Lee is more productive than Scott Podsednik. Stop with this "leadoff hitter" nonsense.

[AlwaysaCub]

Objectively the two arguments in this thread are worthwhile debates.

 

Subjectively, they most certainly are not. I'll take Podsendnik and the WS ring over Lee or Pierre.

[SouthSideRyan]

Objectively the two arguments in this thread are worthwhile debates.

 

Subjectively, they most certainly are not. I'll take Podsendnik and the WS ring over Lee or Pierre.

 

Juan Pierre also has a world series ring. Luis Sojo's got a handful, who cares?

[SABR Gamer]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

I hope your not trying to be serious

 

 

Anyone with half a brain would rather have Lee than Podsednik ANYWHERE in the lineup. The fact is having good hitters is more important than having guys who fit stupid traditions, such as the lead off mold where the guy needs to be fast and steal bases.

 

I would rather take 9 Albert Pujols' or 9 Alex Rodriguez's over any alignment period. Just think about having to face a hitter like that every single at bat, it would be terrifying.

[17 Seconds]

Objectively the two arguments in this thread are worthwhile debates.

 

Subjectively, they most certainly are not. I'll take Podsendnik and the WS ring over Lee or Pierre.

 

You're missing the point. Taking Podsednik doesn't mean you get a World Series ring. He just happened to be on a World Series winning team. You're falling for the misconception that Podsednik is the reason they won a title when he really was not. That team would have won even more games with Lee instead of Pods.

 

Hey, I'll take David Eckstein and the WS ring over Hanley Ramirez.

[javy knows my name]

This is disgusting. No, seriously, I'm disgusted. I know that you are a Brewer fan, but who in their right mind (who isn't a Brewer fan because Brewer fans aren't in their right minds) would take Pods over Carlos Lee? This was a trade that helped the Brewers IMMENSELY. Why would you pretend like you gave up anything to get this trade done? Like, anything at all? The belief that there are magical people that lead your club to some sort of prosperity is disgusting. It really disgusts me. Your leadoff hitter is the guy who gets on base the most and if you don't believe that then why am I even talking to you. Stupid waste of drunk time.

[wvcbxl]

... LA would probably accept me for Juan Pierre.

 

And they would be getting the better end of that deal if they did. 8-)

[moochpuppy]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

 

Glad some people on these boards are rational. What up raw?

 

Nice to see both Chicago clubs off to a good start.

[CubinNY]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

 

Glad some people on these boards are rational. What up raw?

 

Nice to see both Chicago clubs off to a good start.

 

Ozzy Guillen will be fired by the ASB. The Sox are not a decent team. They are a mediocre to bad team who have gotten off to a decent start. They'll be sitting in 4th place by the end of the season.

 

However, I really don't care what they do.

[moochpuppy]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

The Sox, at the time, needed a top of the order guy that could get on base and had speed. That was Pods. While Carlos Lee was a good player, he was a liabilty on defense and the Sox already had enough power and RBI guys in Konerko, Dye and Everett. Without that trade I don't think the Sox win the series that year.

[moochpuppy]

Anyone with half a brain would rather have Lee than Podsednik ANYWHERE in the lineup. The fact is having good hitters is more important than having guys who fit stupid traditions, such as the lead off mold where the guy needs to be fast and steal bases.

 

 

Says the fan of the team that has been desperately trying to trade for Brian Roberts.

[UMFan83]

Anyone with half a brain would rather have Lee than Podsednik ANYWHERE in the lineup. The fact is having good hitters is more important than having guys who fit stupid traditions, such as the lead off mold where the guy needs to be fast and steal bases.

 

 

Says the fan of the team that has been desperately trying to trade for Brian Roberts.

 

And of course being a fan of a team means that he has to agree with all organizational decisions.

[inari]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

 

Glad some people on these boards are rational. What up raw?

 

Nice to see both Chicago clubs off to a good start.

 

Ozzy Guillen will be fired by the ASB. The Sox are not a decent team. They are a mediocre to bad team who have gotten off to a decent start. They'll be sitting in 4th place by the end of the season.

 

However, I really don't care what they do.

 

I think Ozzie has a lifetime pass because of 2005.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Podsednik trade helped the White Sox because it freed money up for Iguchi and Pierzynski. As far as Lee vs Podsednik straight up, batting order be damned, that Sox team woulda been better with Lee hitting leadoff.

 

The Sox, at the time, needed a top of the order guy that could get on base and had speed. That was Pods. While Carlos Lee was a good player, he was a liabilty on defense and the Sox already had enough power and RBI guys in Konerko, Dye and Everett. Without that trade I don't think the Sox win the series that year.

 

I'll take power over speed every day of the week. It's not like Lee is Konerko out there, he's actually got decent speed for such a big guy. It's not like he's Juan Uribe when it comes to getting on base either. Lee is easily the better offensive player, so unless your contention is that the Sox won the series due to their LF defense, I'm not buying it.

[chuckywang]

At the end of the season, some people in this thread will look awfully foolish.

[Sosa21MVP]

Speed doesn't slump, dudes. :P

[moochpuppy]

I'll take power over speed every day of the week. It's not like Lee is Konerko out there, he's actually got decent speed for such a big guy. It's not like he's Juan Uribe when it comes to getting on base either. Lee is easily the better offensive player, so unless your contention is that the Sox won the series due to their LF defense, I'm not buying it.

 

The Sox already had plenty of power. Lee is the better offensive player when it comes to HR and RBI and AVG but what Podsednik gave the Sox was a player who could manufacture runs, a player who could beat out an infield hit (40 in 2005, 16 of those bunts), a player who could get on base (.419 OBP leading off the game in 2005) in the first inning and be at 2B by the time the meat of the order came up. He was the spark for the Sox in '05 and the offense suffered when he was out with an injury later in the year, which almost cost the Sox. Pods reminded my alot of what Bobby Dernier did for the Cubs in '84.

 

So say what you will about old baseball traditional positions but there is a reason why they are traditions.....it's because they work more often than not and in 2005, it worked like a charm.

[javy knows my name]

I'll take power over speed every day of the week. It's not like Lee is Konerko out there, he's actually got decent speed for such a big guy. It's not like he's Juan Uribe when it comes to getting on base either. Lee is easily the better offensive player, so unless your contention is that the Sox won the series due to their LF defense, I'm not buying it.

 

The Sox already had plenty of power. Lee is the better offensive player when it comes to HR and RBI and AVG but what Podsednik gave the Sox was a player who could manufacture runs, a player who could beat out an infield hit (40 in 2005, 16 of those bunts), a player who could get on base (.419 OBP leading off the game in 2005) in the first inning and be at 2B by the time the meat of the order came up. He was the spark for the Sox in '05 and the offense suffered when he was out with an injury later in the year, which almost cost the Sox. Pods reminded my alot of what Bobby Denier did for the Cubs in '84.

 

So say what you will about old baseball traditional positions but there is a reason why they are traditions.....it's because they work more often than not and in 2005, it worked like a charm.

This is garbage. The 2005 White Sox did not win the world series by manufacturing runs. They won by pitching out of their GD minds and hitting a ton of homeruns. They won despite Podsednik and if you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

EDIT: 200 HR, to be exact, good for 4th among AL teams

Edited April 17, 2008 by Castro's Spray Chart

[bukie]

I'll take power over speed every day of the week. It's not like Lee is Konerko out there, he's actually got decent speed for such a big guy. It's not like he's Juan Uribe when it comes to getting on base either. Lee is easily the better offensive player, so unless your contention is that the Sox won the series due to their LF defense, I'm not buying it.

 

The Sox already had plenty of power. Lee is the better offensive player when it comes to HR and RBI and AVG but what Podsednik gave the Sox was a player who could manufacture runs, a player who could beat out an infield hit (40 in 2005, 16 of those bunts), a player who could get on base (.419 OBP leading off the game in 2005) in the first inning and be at 2B by the time the meat of the order came up. He was the spark for the Sox in '05 and the offense suffered when he was out with an injury later in the year, which almost cost the Sox. Pods reminded my alot of what Bobby Dernier did for the Cubs in '84.

 

So say what you will about old baseball traditional positions but there is a reason why they are traditions.....it's because they work more often than not and in 2005, it worked like a charm.

 

In 2005, the White Sox won the World Series, hands-down, because of their pitching performance. They were awful offensively, particularly because of the "smartball" myth.

 

Podsednik's usefulness was strictly a .350 OBP, which ranked 2nd on the team. Konerko was really the only offensive threat that team had. If they'd had even a little of the offense that they had the subsequent 2 years, they would have made things much easier on themselves.

[imb]

Anyone with half a brain would rather have Lee than Podsednik ANYWHERE in the lineup. The fact is having good hitters is more important than having guys who fit stupid traditions, such as the lead off mold where the guy needs to be fast and steal bases.

 

 

Says the fan of the team that has been desperately trying to trade for Brian Roberts.

 

it's not like we offered derrek lee for him. The Lee/Podsednik trade made your offense worse, a minor leaguers/Roberts trade would make ours better.

 

Aside from being wrong in everything you've posted in this thread, you're performing magnificently.

[moochpuppy]

This is garbage. The 2005 White Sox did not win the world series by manufacturing runs. They won by pitching out of their GD minds and hitting a ton of homeruns. They won despite Podsednik and if you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

Believe what you want. Sure, the Sox hit a lot of homeruns but it was 42 less homeruns than the season before and their lowest team total since 1999.

 

Scott Podsednik did win game 2 or the World Series with a homerun......ironic.