Moises Alou: I wouldn't have caught Bartman ball

[Clem Fandango]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3324343

 

Thanks for beating a dead horse, ESPN. Hard hitting journalism at its finest. I'm sure that's what Alou wants to be asked 5 years after the fact.

Edited April 1, 2008 by The Logan

[rawaction]

Yep, that always gets lost in the story. He had no chance of catching that. It was Moises Alou people.

[mfische5]

I personally hope ESPN gives that story some coverage. I think Alou is just trying to get the blame off of the poor guy. I still to this day meet people who blame all of 2003 on him and entirely forget about Gonzalez or the rest of the poor decisions made in that infamous inning.

[CubmanPi]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

[OleMissCub]

Sure as hell looked catchable judging by the gajabillions of replays I've seen.

[inari]

Alex Gonzales should thank God every single day for Steve Bartman. Otherwise, he'd be a scapegoat of Buckner-like proportions.

[David]

I personally hope ESPN gives that story some coverage. I think Alou is just trying to get the blame off of the poor guy. I still to this day meet people who blame all of 2003 on him and entirely forget about Gonzalez or the rest of the poor decisions made in that infamous inning.

 

You must meet a lot of stupid people. I don't know anybody who actually blames that collapse on Bartman.

[manbearcub]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

Exactly. If Alou doesnt throw a fit and start screaming it doesnt get blown out of proportion nearly as much.

[OleMissCub]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

Exactly. If Alou doesnt throw a fit and start screaming it doesnt get blown out of proportion nearly as much.

 

Definitely agree with this.

[reds44]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

Exactly. If Alou doesnt throw a fit and start screaming it doesnt get blown out of proportion nearly as much.

Or maybe he was trying to see it to get fan interfearance...

[manbearcub]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

Exactly. If Alou doesnt throw a fit and start screaming it doesnt get blown out of proportion nearly as much.

Or maybe he was trying to see it to get fan interfearance...

Then dont say it is not the fans fault

[SpongeWorthy]

He wouldn't have reacted that way if he didn't think he could've caught it. He's just taking the high road by trying to take away whatever lingering resentment there is towards Bartman.

 

And even though he'll never live it down, I think he's largely a sympathetic character at this point.

 

(Not as much from me because from the day it happened I never agreed with the "everyone else would've done what Bartman did" apologists.)

 

And yeah, Gonzalez should thank his lucky stars for that play. He did swing a decent stick in that series though didn't he?

[Chris]

He wouldn't have caught it so he 1) jumped for it, 2) screamed at Steve when he didn't catch the uncatchable ball and 3) waited over 4 years to mention it.

 

Makes sense.

[Magnetic Curses]

in other news, agone said that he wouldn't have turned two on the speedy miguel cabrera.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Not only is that failed to be mentioned, plus the A-Gon botched routine double play ball, but the fact that if bartman had been in the bathroom at that time, some other clown would have gone down in infamy. Just look at the picture. There are like 10 people reaching for that ball. He was just the one unlucky enough to catch it.

[Chris]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

[OleMissCub]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

[Magnetic Curses]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

 

 

i have absolutely no problem with dusty remaining calm. what would people have him do? stomp around and rant and rave? have a hippie freak out? go out and yell at the ump and ruin any kind of serenity that the players had to begin with?

 

the manager was virtually powerless in that situation. he pulls prior then he gets second guessed when farnsworth comes in and is ineffective, which he was.

 

the players blew it. the fielding percentage leader at ss muffed an easy double play and the whole world came down, period. the problem i have with dusty is leaving prior in so long during his previous start. the end of that game was all gonzalez.

[OleMissCub]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

 

 

i have absolutely no problem with dusty remaining calm. what would people have him do? stomp around and rant and rave? have a hippie freak out? go out and yell at the ump and ruin any kind of serenity that the players had to begin with?

 

You are completely missing what I was getting at. I would have liked for him to have gone out to the mound after the botched DP and talk to Prior. I can't imagine anyone would have wanted him to "stomp around". That would have accomplished nothing. A visit to the mound MIGHT have had some positive effect during a team meltdown.

[Magnetic Curses]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

 

 

i have absolutely no problem with dusty remaining calm. what would people have him do? stomp around and rant and rave? have a hippie freak out? go out and yell at the ump and ruin any kind of serenity that the players had to begin with?

 

You are completely missing what I was getting at. I would have liked for him to have gone out to the mound after the botched DP and talk to Prior. I can't imagine anyone would have wanted him to "stomp around". That would have accomplished nothing. A visit to the mound MIGHT have had some positive effect during a team meltdown.

 

i'll never watch the game again but i'm almost certain that he made a mound visit before pulling prior. by which i mean that his second visit consisted of pulling him.

Edited April 2, 2008 by Stannis

[Yanksfan1523]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

 

 

i have absolutely no problem with dusty remaining calm. what would people have him do? stomp around and rant and rave? have a hippie freak out? go out and yell at the ump and ruin any kind of serenity that the players had to begin with?

 

the manager was virtually powerless in that situation. he pulls prior then he gets second guessed when farnsworth comes in and is ineffective, which he was.

 

the players blew it. the fielding percentage leader at ss muffed an easy double play and the whole world came down, period. the problem i have with dusty is leaving prior in so long during his previous start. the end of that game was all gonzalez.

 

How about, after the Bartman incident, Dusty just come out of the dugout and calm everyone down. Maybe a deep breath would have helped.

[Magnetic Curses]

Let's not leave Dusty free from the blame. Did he ever actually stand up while the team was in meltdown mode?

 

Nope. That to me might be the most egregious sin of that night. He just sat on his fat butt with that stupid toothpick in his mouth while the ship was sinking.

 

 

i have absolutely no problem with dusty remaining calm. what would people have him do? stomp around and rant and rave? have a hippie freak out? go out and yell at the ump and ruin any kind of serenity that the players had to begin with?

 

the manager was virtually powerless in that situation. he pulls prior then he gets second guessed when farnsworth comes in and is ineffective, which he was.

 

the players blew it. the fielding percentage leader at ss muffed an easy double play and the whole world came down, period. the problem i have with dusty is leaving prior in so long during his previous start. the end of that game was all gonzalez.

 

How about, after the Bartman incident, Dusty just come out of the dugout and calm everyone down. Maybe a deep breath would have helped.

 

i just don't think that's the reason we lost, at all. and i can blame dusty for many many things, but that isn't one.

[Yanksfan1523]

Well IMHO, much like a TO during an opponents run in college basketball, I think a walk to the mound and a meeting would have calmed everybody down. Especially a young overworked Prior! I really think Prior needed it more than anyone.

[Magnetic Curses]

Well IMHO, much like a TO during an opponents run in college basketball, I think a walk to the mound and a meeting would have calmed everybody down. Especially a young overworked Prior! I really think Prior needed it more than anyone.

 

baseball is a different sport, plus the athletes do it for a living and are grown men. if they can't calm themselves down within the slow pace of a baseball game, then they shouldn't be in the big leagues.

 

but i understand your point.

[BigbadB]

That makes his reaction that much more ridiculous. He's solely responsible for that incident even being remembered in the first place. He probably should have continued to never admit this.

Exactly. If Alou doesnt throw a fit and start screaming it doesnt get blown out of proportion nearly as much.

 

I don't have a problem with Alou's reaction. While he can admit he probably wouldn't have caught it, Bartman eliminated any chance of possibly catching it.

 

So, the probability factor went from not likely to catch it to not a chance in hell of catching it. That's got to be pretty frustrating.