Pierre could be odd man out in LA

[sneakypower]

i have been wondering for a while what it would take to pry matt kemp away from the dodgers. for a "normal" team you'd have to give up a LOT for a prospect like kemp, but colletti's veteran fetish is very well known, and with such a crowded outfield, the dodgers may view kemp as being expendable if they received something of value in return.

alright I'll ask it. what makes Kemp great and Pie crap?

[YearofDaCubs]

i have been wondering for a while what it would take to pry matt kemp away from the dodgers. for a "normal" team you'd have to give up a LOT for a prospect like kemp, but colletti's veteran fetish is very well known, and with such a crowded outfield, the dodgers may view kemp as being expendable if they received something of value in return.

alright I'll ask it. what makes Kemp great and Pie crap?

It probably has something to do with his stats from last year:

 

292AB 10HR 42RBI .342AVG .373OBP .521SLG

[sneakypower]

in fewer than 300 AB? Kemp also had the highest BABIP in all of baseball, whereas Pie's was nearly .150 worse despite putting up the higher LD%. it's so fluky I really don't know you can draw any reasonable conclusions from their brief MLB samples. looking at their production in the minors, Pie had the better BB/K rate but a slightly lower ISO. they should probably be fairly similar hitters, all things considered.

 

it also bears mentioning Pie is the vastly superior defender in CF and is faster.

[Post Count Padder]

Juan Pierre, who recently had a meeting with Joe Torre to ask for more at-bats, went 0-for-4 while playing a third straight day on Sunday.

 

He's 2-for-14 the last three days and is hitting .188 in 69 at-bats overall. It's not a lack of playing time that's the issue, as he has more at-bats than anyone in baseball this spring. Maybe it's that his job could be on the line for the first time since his rookie season, but the pressure is on and he's not responding.

[USSoccer]

Pierre sucks. I hope he ends up a 5th OF.

[TruffleShuffle]

in fewer than 300 AB? Kemp also had the highest BABIP in all of baseball, whereas Pie's was nearly .150 worse despite putting up the higher LD%. it's so fluky I really don't know you can draw any reasonable conclusions from their brief MLB samples. looking at their production in the minors, Pie had the better BB/K rate but a slightly lower ISO. they should probably be fairly similar hitters, all things considered.

 

it also bears mentioning Pie is the vastly superior defender in CF and is faster.

 

chalk it up to the dodgers history of being able to develop hitters, and the cubs' inability to do so.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A 5th outfielder for 9 million a year.

[TruffleShuffle]

Pierre's contract is the worst because the Dodgers got exactly the player they paid for. To my way of thinking the absolute worst contract is the one that gives you a guy who doesn't underachieve and doesn't get hurt, yet the contract still ends up being an embarrassment. You pay a big pile of money for a turd, you end up with a turd, then you act appalled that you have a turd.

 

yeah that was my point. hampton and park, while overpaid, could've been expected to be at least a little above-average if they hadn't had injury/forgetting-how-to-pitch problems. pierre's numbers in 2008 were basically in line with his PECOTA projections, meaning that the dodgers got what they paid for - a speedy outfielder who doesn't get on base enough, has no power, takes bad routes to fly balls, and has a very poor arm.

 

 

If Pierre's five-year, $44 million deal wasn't the worst contract in the history of history, it still ranks among the dumbest of last winter given the Dodgers' possession of a leadoff hitter (Rafael Furcal) and a highly regarded and nearly ready center-field prospect (Matt Kemp). Ned Colletti could have done less harm by donating Pierre's salary to the Baby Harp Seal Clubbers of North America than by making a needlessly lengthy investment in a liability at the plate and afield whose sole aspect, his speed, is sure to decline now that he's on the wrong side of 30. As bad as Pierre was, his season would have looked worse if not for a strong final two months (.325/.369/.399), and even that was all batting average. The Andruw Jones signing won't mitigate this mistake; shunting Pierre to left field raises the offensive bar even further above Pierre's head while stealing still more playing time from less expensive and more able hitters and fielders. Put simply, Pierre's an impediment to winning, and Colletti needs to sink this cost before the task falls to his successor.

[Roast]

Pierre sucks. I hope he ends up a 5th OF.

I hope he ends up as the starting LFer. Because he sucks.

[sneakypower]

in fewer than 300 AB? Kemp also had the highest BABIP in all of baseball, whereas Pie's was nearly .150 worse despite putting up the higher LD%. it's so fluky I really don't know you can draw any reasonable conclusions from their brief MLB samples. looking at their production in the minors, Pie had the better BB/K rate but a slightly lower ISO. they should probably be fairly similar hitters, all things considered.

 

it also bears mentioning Pie is the vastly superior defender in CF and is faster.

 

chalk it up to the dodgers history of being able to develop hitters, and the cubs' inability to do so.

oh, i was hoping for a better answer

[TruffleShuffle]

in fewer than 300 AB? Kemp also had the highest BABIP in all of baseball, whereas Pie's was nearly .150 worse despite putting up the higher LD%. it's so fluky I really don't know you can draw any reasonable conclusions from their brief MLB samples. looking at their production in the minors, Pie had the better BB/K rate but a slightly lower ISO. they should probably be fairly similar hitters, all things considered.

 

it also bears mentioning Pie is the vastly superior defender in CF and is faster.

 

chalk it up to the dodgers history of being able to develop hitters, and the cubs' inability to do so.

oh, i was hoping for a better answer

 

pie has a higher strikeout rate, hits balls hard less frequently, has had no success at the major league level and has not shown the ability to consistently hit for a high average like kemp has? does that work?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Torre makes it official. Pierre will start the season on the Dodgers bench.

 

Link.

 

Joe Torre broke the news to Juan Pierre this morning. ``He just said `OK,' but I know he is disappointed, and that's fine,'' Torre said. ``You don't want a guy sitting on your bench who just accepts being on the bench.'' Torre said JP will be a regular bench player, pinch hitting, etc.

 

9 million a year for a reserve outfielder. Ouch!

[Post Count Padder]

Have a seat Slappy:

 

Dodgers manager Joe Torre informed Juan Pierre that he'd begin the season on the bench.

 

Way to go, Joe. Of course, it took a huge spring disparity to make it happen, even though Andre Ethier was the better option in left field from the moment Andruw Jones was signed. Pierre hasn't demanded a trade, though he's clearly going to be unhappy to find himself on the bench. It's hard to blame him, considering he's the same player now that he was when the Dodgers gave him a five-year, $44 million contract. Mar. 30 - 3:55 pm et

Source: Los Angeles Daily News

[Vanilla Ice]

Have a seat Slappy:

 

Dodgers manager Joe Torre informed Juan Pierre that he'd begin the season on the bench.

 

Way to go, Joe. Of course, it took a huge spring disparity to make it happen, even though Andre Ethier was the better option in left field from the moment Andruw Jones was signed. Pierre hasn't demanded a trade, though he's clearly going to be unhappy to find himself on the bench. It's hard to blame him, considering he's the same player now that he was when the Dodgers gave him a five-year, $44 million contract. Mar. 30 - 3:55 pm et

Source: Los Angeles Daily News

 

That's the worst part about the contract

[JimSorgi]

I was really hoping to see Pierre start in LF.

[RedFlash]

Have a seat Slappy:

 

Dodgers manager Joe Torre informed Juan Pierre that he'd begin the season on the bench.

 

Way to go, Joe. Of course, it took a huge spring disparity to make it happen, even though Andre Ethier was the better option in left field from the moment Andruw Jones was signed. Pierre hasn't demanded a trade, though he's clearly going to be unhappy to find himself on the bench. It's hard to blame him, considering he's the same player now that he was when the Dodgers gave him a five-year, $44 million contract. Mar. 30 - 3:55 pm et

Source: Los Angeles Daily News

 

He may not be happy about being the 4th OFer, but he needs to put it in perspective, he's is going to continue to make nearly $9 freakin' million dollars per yr. That should cure all ills. If not, Pierre can sign over his checks to me, as I could put to good use that money.

[sneakypower]

pie has a higher strikeout rate, hits balls hard less frequently, has had no success at the major league level and has not shown the ability to consistently hit for a high average like kemp has? does that work?

pie has a higher strikeout rate - 22.73% to 24.39%. that's marginal.

hits balls hard less frequently - pie had substantially better LD%

has had no success at the major league level - small sample & .273 BABIP. kemp should send some luck (.417 babip) felix's way and we'll think he's great.

and has not shown the ability to consistently hit for a high average like kemp has? like hitting .300 in the minors, with a better BB:K?

[Guest]

How did Torre take so long to put Pierre on the bench?

[CuseCubFan69]

How did Torre take so long to put Pierre on the bench?

 

How often did he sit the bench as a Cub?

[frostwyrm]

This thread should be moved to Transactions because it's about to turn into a speculation about Pierre's destination. There's no question he will want to be moved, and he's proven himself enough of a whiny cancerous beotch to make it happen. He would have been a happy fit for the Reds up til about a month ago. I guess he could still end up there if Corey has a lousy April, which is entirely possible.

[CuseCubFan69]

This thread should be moved to Transactions because it's about to turn into a speculation about Pierre's destination. There's no question he will want to be moved, and he's proven himself enough of a whiny cancerous beotch to make it happen. He would have been a happy fit for the Reds up til about a month ago. I guess he could still end up there if Corey has a lousy April, which is entirely possible.

 

So it could get better?

[Vanilla Ice]

i think it should still stay in baseball discussions until rumors actually come out

[Rob]

This thread should be moved to Transactions because it's about to turn into a speculation about Pierre's destination. There's no question he will want to be moved, and he's proven himself enough of a whiny cancerous beotch to make it happen. He would have been a happy fit for the Reds up til about a month ago. I guess he could still end up there if Corey has a lousy April, which is entirely possible.

 

So it could get better?

 

If Pie starts off slow, it could get much, much worse.

[Vanilla Ice]

This thread should be moved to Transactions because it's about to turn into a speculation about Pierre's destination. There's no question he will want to be moved, and he's proven himself enough of a whiny cancerous beotch to make it happen. He would have been a happy fit for the Reds up til about a month ago. I guess he could still end up there if Corey has a lousy April, which is entirely possible.

 

So it could get better?

 

If Pie starts off slow, it could get much, much worse.

 

bite your tongue

[frostwyrm]

I have nothing against Corey, but I feel compelled to root for him to flop in Cincy so we can see the Reds get crippled by a lethal Dusty/Pierre combo.