How does this work? (OBP/AVG question)

[Clem Fandango]

Cubs.com says Alex Cintron is hitting .300 with an OBP of .286. How does that work? If you reach base because of errors without any walks does it cause this to happen? I've never seen that before

[fromthestretch]

Cubs.com says Alex Cintron is hitting .300 with an OBP of .286. How does that work? If you reach base because of errors without any walks does it cause this to happen? I've never seen that before

 

Sac flies count against you.

 

ETA: I should probably be more specific. Sac flies are not counted as an at-bat when calculating batting average. However, they do count against you when figuring OBP.

 

OBP = (H + BB + HBP)/(AB + BB + HBP + SF)

 

If you have more sac flies than HBP and BB combined, your OBP will be lower then your batting average.

Edited March 6, 2008 by grassbass

[Derwood]

Cubs.com says Alex Cintron is hitting .300 with an OBP of .286. How does that work? If you reach base because of errors without any walks does it cause this to happen? I've never seen that before

 

OBP is based on plate appearances, not at-bats, so everything, including walks, sac flies, etc. counts towards the average. if he goes 3 for 3 with a sacrifice bunt, he's batting 1.000 but OBP'ing .750

[CubColtPacer]

sacrifice flies are the reason. They don't count as an at-bat when calculating batting average, but they do count as a plate appearance when calculating OBP. Edited March 6, 2008 by CubColtPacer

[Guest]

Cubs.com says Alex Cintron is hitting .300 with an OBP of .286. How does that work? If you reach base because of errors without any walks does it cause this to happen? I've never seen that before

 

OBP is based on plate appearances, not at-bats, so everything, including walks, sac flies, etc. counts towards the average. if he goes 3 for 3 with a sacrifice bunt, he's batting 1.000 but OBP'ing .750

Close: Sac flies count in the denominator of OBP, but sac bunts do not. I guess the thinking is that players should not be penalized when they are kind of trying to make an out.

[fromthestretch]

sacrifice bunts/flies are the reason. They don't count as an at-bat when calculating batting average, but they do count as a plate appearance when calculating OBP.

 

Actually, sac bunts don't hurt your OBP. Sac flies do.

[Post Count Padder]

I've seen this issue before and I was wondering the same thing. Now I know.

[sneakypower]

OBP punishes players for productive outs

[chuckywang]

Sac fly's count against your OBP but doesn't affect your AVG. Therefore, if you have a lot of sac fly's, you might get the scenario you refer to.

[chuckywang]

OBP punishes players for productive outs

 

Hey, if you put the ball in the air, you were trying to go for a hit.

[seanimal]

OBP punishes players for productive outs

 

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

[Clem Fandango]

Now I know!

 

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[SAMMYWHO]

That's interesting. I always thought reaching on an error would help your OBP.

[Derwood]

That's interesting. I always thought reaching on an error would help your OBP.

 

it's an "unearned" trip to first base

[CubColtPacer]

That's interesting. I always thought reaching on an error would help your OBP.

 

it's an "unearned" trip to first base

 

It's as much earned as a hit by pitch.

[Bull]

That's interesting. I always thought reaching on an error would help your OBP.

 

it's an "unearned" trip to first base

 

It's as much earned as a hit by pitch.

 

You've obviously never been hit by a pitch.

[Tracer Bullet]

That's interesting. I always thought reaching on an error would help your OBP.

 

it's an "unearned" trip to first base

 

It's as much earned as a hit by pitch.

 

Craig Biggio disagrees (ETA: by which I mean, his OBP drops about 15 points if you take out all those HBP).

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Infinite stats = infinite players

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Don't forget about catcher interference too!

[Ender]

The entire concept of a sac fly is silly. If I hit a ground ball to 2B and a runner scores from 3rd it isn't a sac groundout.