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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

I don't think Wood is a silly signing.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

Without even getting into the rest, why on earth do you want Crisp, and who are you trading Pie for?

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This seems weird that Kenney is so vocal about trades getting done....

 

It's almost like Kenny wants Hendry to get these deals done no matter what and is putting pressure through the radio to get them done no matter what. Obviously it kills Jimbo's leverage but still.

 

Or maybe he just likes getting the fans hopes up.

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I am also not a pessimist when it comes to Theriot. If he starts stinking, I'm sure Piniella will replace him or give him a break, like he did last year. Theriot had a couple of horrible months, but I think/hope he can keep his OB% around .340/.350. I think he is going to score plenty of runs and be a contributor.

 

I agree. He's really not who I'd like playing there but if he's struggling I'm sure the Cubs will make a move before the deadline and upgrade the position. I'm rooting for the Riot to have a career year.

 

I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

that is exactly why you are NOT the GM

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I am also not a pessimist when it comes to Theriot. If he starts stinking, I'm sure Piniella will replace him or give him a break, like he did last year. Theriot had a couple of horrible months, but I think/hope he can keep his OB% around .340/.350. I think he is going to score plenty of runs and be a contributor.

 

I agree. He's really not who I'd like playing there but if he's struggling I'm sure the Cubs will make a move before the deadline and upgrade the position. I'm rooting for the Riot to have a career year.

 

I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

I hope you're wrong because if you're right that is no way to run a baseball team. What does worry me is that Theriot starts hot and the Cubs are fooled into believing he's the SS and he slumps like he did last year.

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I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

Was he horrible, or could he have been better? I don't think he was horrible when you look at the complete year, I think he was horrible in a few stretches.

 

Defensively, Theriot is rarely going to make hightlight plays, but he is going to make the plays he should be making. His range could be better, but he isn't a liability defensively. He's a smart player, who maximizes his abilities.

 

Offensively, he was very streaky in 2007. It was also his first full season in MLB. His OB% was below par, but I will not be surprised to see a better year out of him. Scoring 80 runs is a respectable number in MLB, even for a first year guy on a playoff team.

 

I don't understand all the hate.

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I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

Was he horrible, or could he have been better? I don't think he was horrible when you look at the complete year, I think he was horrible in a few stretches.

 

Defensively, Theriot is rarely going to make hightlight plays, but he is going to make the plays he should be making. His range could be better, but he isn't a liability defensively. He's a smart player, who maximizes his abilities.

 

Offensively, he was very streaky in 2007. It was also his first full season in MLB. His OB% was below par, but I will not be surprised to see a better year out of him. Scoring 80 runs is a respectable number in MLB, even for a first year guy on a playoff team.

 

I don't understand all the hate.

 

He was horrible. The Cubs had the worst SS production in the NL last year and he was largely responsible.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

so who are you going to use to fill those other 5 roster spots?

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)
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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

At one point, when it looked like he couldn't reach an agreement with the Pads, it looked like Greene might be available. That's what really helped fuel Meph's Greene bandwagon.

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

At one point, when it looked like he couldn't reach an agreement with the Pads, it looked like Greene might be available.

Link? That seemed more to be a nsbb pipe dream more than anything else.

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

Renteria

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

so who are you going to use to fill those other 5 roster spots?

 

According to a Orioles writer last night, the Cubs may also have to take Jay Payton in any Roberts deal.

 

Re-signing Kerry Wood is always a mistake. His last two innings have proven he will always be a thrower and never a pitcher. Nice WHIP, though!

 

So you add Crisp, Roberts and possibly Payton. Patterson is a possibility but I think he needs to play more in the minors. Lahey or Ascanio probably makes it as the last RH in the pen. LH relief is Eyre and either Cotts(yuck!) or Pignatiello(yuck!). Unless we acquire someone, our options are few.

 

Hart is my first call-up. I sure wish Petrick would take a step up this year and be ready also by midyear. No thunder on the bench, unless Jake Fox matures as a hitter and I never want to see Ward in the OF.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

so who are you going to use to fill those other 5 roster spots?

 

According to a Orioles writer last night, the Cubs may also have to take Jay Payton in any Roberts deal.

 

Re-signing Kerry Wood is always a mistake. His last two innings have proven he will always be a thrower and never a pitcher. Nice WHIP, though!

 

So you add Crisp, Roberts and possibly Payton. Patterson is a possibility but I think he needs to play more in the minors. Lahey or Ascanio probably makes it as the last RH in the pen. LH relief is Eyre and either Cotts(yuck!) or Pignatiello(yuck!). Unless we acquire someone, our options are few.

 

Hart is my first call-up. I sure wish Petrick would take a step up this year and be ready also by midyear. No thunder on the bench, unless Jake Fox matures as a hitter and I never want to see Ward in the OF.

 

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ bolded

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I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

Was he horrible, or could he have been better? I don't think he was horrible when you look at the complete year, I think he was horrible in a few stretches.

 

Defensively, Theriot is rarely going to make hightlight plays, but he is going to make the plays he should be making. His range could be better, but he isn't a liability defensively. He's a smart player, who maximizes his abilities.

 

Offensively, he was very streaky in 2007. It was also his first full season in MLB. His OB% was below par, but I will not be surprised to see a better year out of him. Scoring 80 runs is a respectable number in MLB, even for a first year guy on a playoff team.

 

I don't understand all the hate.

 

He was horrible. The Cubs had the worst SS production in the NL last year and he was largely responsible.

 

Yet, the Cubs were VASTLY improved at SS in 2007 from 2006 - and they made the playoffs. There is a very good chance he'll be better in 08 than he was in 07.

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Kenney can't mention names because that's tampering.

 

If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

you'd be satisfied trading 7 players off the 40 man for 2? think about that

 

You bet..You acquire Roberts and Fontenot and Cedeno are expendable. You acquire Crisp-where are Pie and Murton gonna play? Marshall is 5-7 starter now. Marquis has been on the market for months. Ceda and Gallagher are 3A pitchers this season anyway, because Hendry was silly and signed Lieber and Wood.

 

so who are you going to use to fill those other 5 roster spots?

 

who cares? are you subscribing to phil rogers' +/- system or something? not saying i'd be happy with those deals, but what's your point?

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I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

Was he horrible, or could he have been better? I don't think he was horrible when you look at the complete year, I think he was horrible in a few stretches.

 

Defensively, Theriot is rarely going to make hightlight plays, but he is going to make the plays he should be making. His range could be better, but he isn't a liability defensively. He's a smart player, who maximizes his abilities.

 

Offensively, he was very streaky in 2007. It was also his first full season in MLB. His OB% was below par, but I will not be surprised to see a better year out of him. Scoring 80 runs is a respectable number in MLB, even for a first year guy on a playoff team.

 

I don't understand all the hate.

 

He was horrible. The Cubs had the worst SS production in the NL last year and he was largely responsible.

 

Yet, the Cubs were VASTLY improved at SS in 2007 from 2006 - and they made the playoffs. There is a very good chance he'll be better in 08 than he was in 07.

 

The fact that the Cubs had a bunch of garbage at SS in 2006 doesn't make the slightly less malodorous garbage at SS in 2007 look any more appetizing.

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

At one point, when it looked like he couldn't reach an agreement with the Pads, it looked like Greene might be available.

Link? That seemed more to be a nsbb pipe dream more than anything else.

You don't need a link. Greene said he didn't want a long term contract with the Pads. The speculation is that the Cub might want him.

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

At one point, when it looked like he couldn't reach an agreement with the Pads, it looked like Greene might be available.

Link? That seemed more to be a nsbb pipe dream more than anything else.

You don't need a link. Greene said he didn't want a long term contract with the Pads. The speculation is that the Cub might want him.

 

Greene said he didn't want to sign a long term contract with the Padres because he wanted to be on the East Coast near his family. Chicago is closer, but it doesn't really qualify.

 

Also, even if Greene wasn't planning to sign a deal with San Diego, that still doesn't mean the Padres would want to trade him. They want to win this year, and trading Greene is counterproductive to that.

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Has there been any indication throughout the offseason that any good shortstop was available, besides Tejada (and would you really want to give up that much for Tejada?)

 

At one point, when it looked like he couldn't reach an agreement with the Pads, it looked like Greene might be available.

Link? That seemed more to be a nsbb pipe dream more than anything else.

You don't need a link. Greene said he didn't want a long term contract with the Pads. The speculation is that the Cub might want him.

 

Greene said he didn't want to sign a long term contract with the Padres because he wanted to be on the East Coast near his family. Chicago is closer, but it doesn't really qualify.

 

Also, even if Greene wasn't planning to sign a deal with San Diego, that still doesn't mean the Padres would want to trade him. They want to win this year, and trading Greene is counterproductive to that.

Whatever, that's not what my reply was about.

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If the Cubs can trade Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Murton, Marquis, Ceda and Fontenot and get Crisp and Roberts-I'm satisfied.

 

Oh my goodness.

 

:banghead:

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I am also not a pessimist when it comes to Theriot. If he starts stinking, I'm sure Piniella will replace him or give him a break, like he did last year. Theriot had a couple of horrible months, but I think/hope he can keep his OB% around .340/.350. I think he is going to score plenty of runs and be a contributor.

 

I agree. He's really not who I'd like playing there but if he's struggling I'm sure the Cubs will make a move before the deadline and upgrade the position. I'm rooting for the Riot to have a career year.

 

I'm not so sure. He was horrible last year and they didn't lift a finger in trying to replace him. I don't get why people think his horribleness would not be tolerated this year. The problem is the Cubs think Theriot isn't a problem. He would have to get signficantly worse in order to be bad enough for them to wake up to the problem.

 

All he has to do is struggle with the bat and get in a fist fight w/ Z. That should really do it.

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