Re: Roberts: OH mini update (p.183); Happy 200!! (p.200)

[SouthSideRyan]

I wouldn't think diving will become an everyday occurrence even if it were proven a touch faster...but lets say its a one game playoff for the wildcard, tied game, two outs, 8th inning, man on third...would you dive if you knew it was faster? I think I would.

 

The problem with it(sorry if this has been addressed) is that in order for it to be faster you have to time your dive perfectly such that you land at just the right point. It's possible to time that dive perfectly, but most of the time you would either break stride to time the dive, or you'd dive too late and get to the bag later than if you ran through.

But isn't it just as likely that you would have to break stride to step on base anyways?

 

Yes, but I believe that's already built into the study that I'm familiar with because it's based on a comparison of a standard time running through the base, not the ideal time which is necessary of the dive. The dive has to be ideal whereas the run-through is already timed in non-ideal trials.

Why is that? ...and what study are we talking about?

 

 

It was from a BTF thread, lost forever I'm sure, as their search function is as archaic as they come. IIRC, the reason diving worked better in ideal situations was because of the very reason of not breaking stride and hitting the base at the front edge of it. The advantage was lost by hitting the base beyond the front of it, or by breaking stride because then it was no different than the problems posed from running through the base.

[TheGrinch]

It's just a theory of mine that I think is very unique and I am convinced it is true based on my studies. I think this discussion is a lot more civil than the past so it's ok. It's good to have this discussion as long as no one is insulting anyone else. I hope it does work though and it changes the game.

Well I know about your testing, but apart from that, why is it you think that sliding into a base is faster than the alternative? The only way I can imagine sliding into the base is faster involves a pretty dangerous slide (directly into the bag)...not one that is safer than running by at all.

[CoolHandLuke]

It's just a theory of mine that I think is very unique and I am convinced it is true based on my studies. I think this discussion is a lot more civil than the past so it's ok. It's good to have this discussion as long as no one is insulting anyone else. I hope it does work though and it changes the game.

 

 

delusions of grandeur???

 

If you want to really test this, I suggest you get together with the physics teacher and try to conduct this experiment more scientifically (like using motion sensors to detect the runners position, velocity, time, etc instead of eyeballing it). Also be very careful, because if one of these kids gets hurt because of this, you could have to face the wrath of some very angry parents.

[CubinNY]

As per, Pinghitter/UK has the most useful and informative posts in this thread.

 

Get out of the box, run straight, and run through the base.

 

alle sonst Dosis nicht Sache

[TheGrinch]

 

 

It was from a BTF thread, lost forever I'm sure, as their search function is as archaic as they come. IIRC, the reason diving worked better in ideal situations was because of the very reason of not breaking stride and hitting the base at the front edge of it. The advantage was lost by hitting the base beyond the front of it, or by breaking stride because then it was no different than the problems posed from running through the base.

Do you remember who posted it or where it came from? I'd like to read it, because your explanation isn't quite clicking with me. All the problems you are describing would equally effect (in my mind) running through or sliding. Not everyone times their step to hit the front of the base perfectly, and I'm sure some slides would start too soon or too early. Either way, reaching out with your arm will have a net increase in how fast you get there, timing error or not.

Edited February 20, 2008 by TheGrinch

[haltz]

Before the season starts this year, I'm gonna test it again with my players and if some get there faster by sliding then I will encourage it for them. But I'm the assistant coach so I'd have to convince the head coach.

I really hope you don't do this. Sliding really does cause wear and tear on your body. You guys are talking about hitting the ground at full speed over and over for a marginal benefit (which I disagree that there is one). Are these highschool kids? Getting the frictionless time right or whatever would take a ton of repetition for that relatively infrequent occurrence that it's a bang-bang play and this actually does really work. It would just be confusing.

 

Sometimes when you have a large group of people telling you that you are wrong it's time to take a step back and consider the possibility. Let them play the game the way they will for their next coach if they move on. It's not like this is the ALCS every day at JFK Township East or whatever the hell.

[TheGrinch]

DOUBLE POST

[CubinNY]

[ Either way, reaching out with your arm will have a net increase in how fast you get there, timing error or not.

 

Once again, the base is closer to the feet than the arms. If someone is trying to get to the base with their arm they have to slow down to do it.

 

A little FYI, Wiki is not a reputable information site.

[seanimal]

i thought the stupid part was the "study". then i thought the stupid part was that someone believed that there were implications to be understood from the "study". but the whole "teaching little leaguers to slide feet-first into 1b" because of the study. wow.

[TheGrinch]

[ Either way, reaching out with your arm will have a net increase in how fast you get there, timing error or not.

 

Once again, the base is closer to the feet than the arms. If someone is trying to get to the base with their arm they have to slow down to do it.

 

A little FYI, Wiki is not a reputable information site.

The internet isn't really a reputable information source. That link just explained it pretty well I felt. Easier than typing it all out every time someone totally ignores everything I post while commenting on it.

 

...and like I JUST STATED, if someone want to step on a bag, they will probably have to slow down to do it. I already conceeded sliding will slow you down, but reaching out will cause you to get there sooner anyways. Do I need to link to the site AGAIN!?!

[Derwood]

did your test subjects know your theory before you conducted the test? if so, it's a bogus experiment

[DeuceBaseman]

did your test subjects know your theory before you conducted the test? if so, it's a bogus experiment

 

Some did, but a lot of them thought that it would turn out untrue.

[imb]

You're going to have to accept the fact that your "test" wasn't scientific in any way and proved absolutely nothing.

[DeuceBaseman]

You're going to have to accept the fact that your "test" wasn't scientific in any way and proved absolutely nothing.

 

How? I accept the fact that my study proved a lot but there could have been some possible errors. But there is no reason for me to believe that every trial I ran was false.

[OleMissCub]

You're going to have to accept the fact that your "test" wasn't scientific in any way and proved absolutely nothing.

 

How? I accept the fact that my study proved a lot but there could have been some possible errors. But there is no reason for me to believe that every trial I ran was false.

 

This is a milestone. I don't think I've ever agreed 100% with anything IMB! has ever said.

[seanimal]

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[Derwood]

did your test subjects know your theory before you conducted the test? if so, it's a bogus experiment

 

Some did, but a lot of them thought that it would turn out untrue.

 

well my point is that once your test subjects are seeded with your theory, the results will be skewed

[DeuceBaseman]

So if I am racing one of my friends, and I tell him that I will beat him, he will then go slower so that my hypothesis is true? You guys are ridiculous. And Earth2Sean faggot needs to stop with all the stupid insults or get banned or something, cuz all he does is post negative stuff about me without even coming up with a decent argument. Its a study that showed results. If I did the same study and it ended up showing that it was faster to run through the bag, then none of you guys would say that its a faulty study. I'm not saying my study was 100% accurate. But it does say something.

[Derwood]

So if I am racing one of my friends, and I tell him that I will beat him, he will then go slower so that my hypothesis is true? You guys are ridiculous. And Earth2Sean faggot needs to stop with all the stupid insults or get banned or something, cuz all he does is post negative stuff about me without even coming up with a decent argument. Its a study that showed results. If I did the same study and it ended up showing that it was faster to run through the bag, then none of you guys would say that its a faulty study. I'm not saying my study was 100% accurate. But it does say something.

 

calling him a faggot is more likely to get you banned. just saying.

 

and i'm just saying that a truly scientific experiment will have neutral test subjects.

[CoolHandLuke]

So if I am racing one of my friends, and I tell him that I will beat him, he will then go slower so that my hypothesis is true? You guys are ridiculous. And Earth2Sean faggot needs to stop with all the stupid insults or get banned or something, cuz all he does is post negative stuff about me without even coming up with a decent argument. Its a study that showed results. If I did the same study and it ended up showing that it was faster to run through the bag, then none of you guys would say that its a faulty study. I'm not saying my study was 100% accurate. But it does say something.

 

wow buddy, wow.

 

:banned:

[ctcf]

Hilarity.

 

I can't wait for the ban.

[imb]

fanTASTIC

 

you could believe that having your players run on their hands to first base would make them slower, and if you told them that before hand, it is a faulty study.

[Derwood]

Modzilla has just risen from its lair

[OleMissCub]

And Earth2Sean faggot needs to stop with all the stupid insults or get banned or something, cuz all he does is post negative stuff about me without even coming up with a decent argument.

 

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[Omar]

Great third grade insult. Really, that's the best you could come up with?