HOFers currently playing

[inari]

Thome and Thomas are locks to get in IMO.

 

Thomas is a lock. I'm not so sure if I'd call Thome a lock, but he certainly should make it.

[OleMissCub]

Thome and Thomas are locks to get in IMO.

 

Thomas is a lock. I'm not so sure if I'd call Thome a lock, but he certainly should make it.

 

I agree that Thomas is a lock. Thome is hard to say. He has one of THE stats i.e. 500 HR, but I think with the offensive upswing in the game that has occurred in the past 20 years, 500 HR isn't going to be a lock anymore. Thome only finished in the top 5 in MVP voting once (4th place in 2003, and only in the top 10 three other times....so he doesn't have the PEAK that a lot of HOF voters like to see. It's hard to say with him. Although his WARP3 certainly indicates that he should probably be a HOFer: 110.

[Guest]

All these guys are peers whose careers overlap for the most part. They're not going to put 6 or 7 first basemen who played at the same time into the hall. Gotta rank 'em and only the best 2-3 are going to get in.

 

I really doubt Thome makes the cut.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Would Mike Mussina have a legitimate shot? I was trying to think if any starting pitchers hadn't been mentioned, and he's about the best name I could come up with. ERA+ of 122 for his career.

[OleMissCub]

All these guys are peers whose careers overlap for the most part. They're not going to put 6 or 7 first basemen who played at the same time into the hall. Gotta rank 'em and only the best 2-3 are going to get in.

 

I really doubt Thome makes the cut.

 

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. If I was to rank the power 1st basemen (regardless of the steroids stuff) from the 1990's-early 00's...I'd go:

 

Jeff Bagwell

Mark McGwire

Raffy Palmeiro

Jim Thome

Todd Helton

Fred McGriff

Jason Giambi

Andres Galaraga

 

I probably missed a few.

[OleMissCub]

Would Mike Mussina have a legitimate shot? I was trying to think if any starting pitchers hadn't been mentioned, and he's about the best name I could come up with. ERA+ of 122 for his career.

 

I think he's certainly got a good shot. 250 wins is a hell of a lot.

 

Speaking of current pitchers who could be HOF'ers right now, I forgot to mention John Smoltz. He'd probably be at about 250 if he hadn't closed for 3 years.

[Mizzou]

All these guys are peers whose careers overlap for the most part. They're not going to put 6 or 7 first basemen who played at the same time into the hall. Gotta rank 'em and only the best 2-3 are going to get in.

 

I really doubt Thome makes the cut.

 

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. If I was to rank the power 1st basemen (regardless of the steroids stuff) from the 1990's-early 00's...I'd go:

 

Jeff Bagwell

Mark McGwire

Raffy Palmeiro

Jim Thome

Todd Helton

Fred McGriff

Jason Giambi

Andres Galaraga

 

I probably missed a few.

You gotta have The Big Hurt on top of that list.

[mdwilla]

All these guys are peers whose careers overlap for the most part. They're not going to put 6 or 7 first basemen who played at the same time into the hall. Gotta rank 'em and only the best 2-3 are going to get in.

 

I really doubt Thome makes the cut.

 

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. If I was to rank the power 1st basemen (regardless of the steroids stuff) from the 1990's-early 00's...I'd go:

 

Jeff Bagwell

Mark McGwire

Raffy Palmeiro

Jim Thome

Todd Helton

Fred McGriff

Jason Giambi

Andres Galaraga

 

I probably missed a few.

 

From what we've seen so far from the Voters if your a juicer you aren't getting in or your gonna have to wait to get in. The top three fit that bill. Helton's numbers where inflated from Coors . Thome could play another 3 seasons and surpass 600 homers and finsh with over 2000 hits.

[OleMissCub]

You gotta have The Big Hurt on top of that list.

 

I considered him obviously. But then I looked at it, and only three times in his career did he play 1st base over 100 games in a season.

[rawaction]

Smoltz has as good a case as any pitcher outside of Maddux. I like him better than Glavine. He won't quite get to 250 wins, but he'll get 235-240 if he plays 2 more years. Has 150 saves. He'll hit 3000 Ks in April. He'll finish with a better ERA and more Ks than Glavine. He'll likely finish with a better ERA than Unit.

 

I would think Johan Santana has a pretty good shot. Jeter and Rivera are likely 1st balloters because of where they play. Ichiro is definitely getting in for more reasons than his on the field performance, which has been good enough alone. Beckett has a good shot. Schilling's likely to join his sock in the HOF. What about Miguel Cabrera? If Pujols is in, he would have to be right?

[Rob]

Let's just list out the people that we're likely to at least see arguments about if these guys retired tomorrow. Positions will be defined by where they played most often.

 

Catchers:

Mike Piazza

Ivan Rodriguez

Jorge Posada

 

First Basemen:

Jim Thome

Todd Helton

Carlos Delgado

Albert Pujols (assuming he gets three years of padding his stats, he'll get it based on his peak)

 

Second Basemen:

Jeff Kent

 

Third Basemen:

Chipper Jones

Scott Rolen

 

Shortstops:

Alex Rodriguez

Derek Jeter

Nomar Garciaparra

Miguel Tejada

Omar Vizquel

 

Left Fielders:

Barry Bonds

Manny Ramirez

 

Center Fielders:

Ken Griffey Jr.

Jim Edmonds

 

Right Fielders:

Gary Sheffield

Sammy Sosa

Vladamir Guerrero

 

Designated Hitters:

Frank Thomas

 

Starting Pitchers:

Roger Clemens

Greg Maddux

Tom Glavine

Randy Johnson

Pedro Martinez

Curt Schilling

Mike Mussina

John Smoltz

Andy Pettitte

David Wells

Kenny Rogers

 

Relief Pitchers:

Trevor Hoffman

Mariano Rivera

Billy Wagner

Edited February 5, 2008 by Rob

[Guest]

Smoltz has as good a case as any pitcher outside of Maddux.

Clemens?

Unit?

[Guest]

Let's just list out the people that we're likely to at least see arguments about if these guys retired tomorrow. Positions will be defined by where they played most often.

Starting Pitchers:

Roger Clemens

Greg Maddux

Tom Glavine

Randy Johnson

Curt Schilling

Mike Mussina

John Smoltz

Andy Pettitte

David Wells

Kenny Rogers

 

Relief Pitchers:

Trevor Hoffman

Mariano Rivera

Billy Wagner

Pedro has to be on that list.

[Rob]

Let's just list out the people that we're likely to at least see arguments about if these guys retired tomorrow. Positions will be defined by where they played most often.

Starting Pitchers:

Roger Clemens

Greg Maddux

Tom Glavine

Randy Johnson

Curt Schilling

Mike Mussina

John Smoltz

Andy Pettitte

David Wells

Kenny Rogers

 

Relief Pitchers:

Trevor Hoffman

Mariano Rivera

Billy Wagner

Pedro has to be on that list.

 

Whoops. I was just looking through the B-R team pages, and I guess I just stopped looking when Pelfrey and Brian freaking Lawrence were listed...

[Derwood]

how can OMC not include Clemens?

[Evers2Tinker2Chance]

As much as I hate the guy Clemens is in. Im surprised it took till the thrid page for him to be mentioned.

[OleMissCub]

how can OMC not include Clemens?

 

He's practically retired. That's why.

[AlwaysaCub]

Andy Pettite a hall of famer? really?

[imb]

Andy Pettite a hall of famer? really?

 

you misread that, he's a first ballot "pettite family hall-of-famer".

[Rob]

Andy Pettite a hall of famer? really?

 

Over 200 wins, barely over 100 losses, and a postseason resume that's very flattering. I'm not saying he deserves to get in, but the New York media is gonna force the issue enough that we're gonna be listening to arguments in his favor for quite a while.

[OleMissCub]

Andy Pettite a hall of famer? really?

 

Over 200 wins, barely over 100 losses, and a postseason resume that's very flattering. I'm not saying he deserves to get in, but the New York media is gonna force the issue enough that we're gonna be listening to arguments in his favor for quite a while.

 

Exactly.

[Rob]

All these guys are peers whose careers overlap for the most part. They're not going to put 6 or 7 first basemen who played at the same time into the hall. Gotta rank 'em and only the best 2-3 are going to get in.

 

I really doubt Thome makes the cut.

 

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. If I was to rank the power 1st basemen (regardless of the steroids stuff) from the 1990's-early 00's...I'd go:

 

Jeff Bagwell

Mark McGwire

Raffy Palmeiro

Jim Thome

Todd Helton

Fred McGriff

Jason Giambi

Andres Galaraga

 

I probably missed a few.

 

From what we've seen so far from the Voters if your a juicer you aren't getting in or your gonna have to wait to get in. The top three fit that bill. Helton's numbers where inflated from Coors . Thome could play another 3 seasons and surpass 600 homers and finsh with over 2000 hits.

 

When has Bagwell ever been found to have abused steroids? And for that matter, when has he even been accused by a reputable member of the fourth estate? Unless I'm mistaken, he's never been connected at all. If that's the case, he's innocent until proven guilty. Same as Sosa.

[Guest]

I remember the year after steroid testing was put into place, he came to camp about 20-25 pounds lighter and noticeably thinner than he had been the previous.

 

But other than that, there's nothing on him that I know of.

[rawaction]

Smoltz has as good a case as any pitcher outside of Maddux.

Clemens?

Unit?

 

Clemens no longer plays. I think Smoltz has as good a case as Randy Johnson. He has the great years in the pen, but if he didn't and remained healthy in the rotation, his numbers would be right on with RJs except for about 750Ks. Plus, Smoltz has to get some credit for still being a top 20 pitcher this late in his career. Unit hasn't been greatly effective the last 3-4 years.

[Derwood]

i know he just retired, but how about Craig Biggio?